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I just got my new s5 and am reviewing the features.
I noticed that the default in regard to the digital zoom is "standard."
Is it best to set this to "off" and just rely on optical zoom?

Also, the default for image stabilization is "continuous." Am I correct that "shoot only" is the best mode to have this in?

Thanks for the advice. I'm looking forward to playing with my new toy.
 
I turned off the digital zoom. The first time I tried the camera I didn't realize the digital zoom default was on and I mistakenly zoomed into it. The images were ok, but I would have preferred to stay within the optical range and the results are much sharper.

I keep my IS on continuous without a problem. I don't think it effects the image, but that is just a guess. I'm not sure the specific difference.

Enjoy! I just got my S5 yesterday.

Maria
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Would you explain the difference between continuous and shoot only? Does it effect the results?

Thanks.
Maria
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In continuous mode, the IS works continually and you can follow the effects on the screen. In shooting mode, the IS is only activated when you push on the shutter.
 
To be able to use the Safety Zoom feature, Digital Zoom must be set to Standard in the Menu. This is the same feature that is called Smart Zoom in Sony cameras and Extended Optical Zoom in Panasonic models. The S3 did not have this capability. It would be better if it were activated in a special Menu option, but it is integrated into the 3-part, progressive segments of Optical Zoom, then a section of Safety Zoom, and on top is the Digital Zoom section. In the viewfinder, the Optical Zoom range is shown by a white bar across the zoom position indicator. The Safety Zoom zone is shown by a yellow bar and the Digital Zoom zone is shown in blue.

Safety Zoom works only in lower pixel-size modes, such as 5-MP and 3-MP. It uses a smaller, inner-sector of the CCD for the images, thus having a magnification effect that is higher than the ordinary Optical Zoom range. Except for producing pictures that have smaller pixel-sizes, it doesn't degrade the image quality. If you allow the zoom to slip into the blue Digital Zoom range, that will degrade the quality. At 5-MP, you get a 25% increase in magnification. At 3-MP you get a 58% increase and at 2-MP, you get a 100% increase. This shows in the viewfinder as 15X, 19X and 24X, respectively.

I don't like the inclusion of Digital Zoom in the same Menu feature as Safety Zoom and I wish that the zoom position was shown continuously in the viewfinder, instead of just at the top positions for each zone and then disappearing after a few seconds. But, this is what we were given and it must be used despite these difficulties.

I use Safety Zoom frequently, along with telextenders, when I want maximum magnification power. With a Raynox 2.2X telextender, I get as much as 1,900mm of equivalent focal-length, in the 2-MP Safety Zoom mode. The effect is in some ways the same as a post-production crop, but it allows you to frame, focus and expose distant subjects better during shooting. You can see exactly where the frame boundaries will be and include or exclude objects near the edges.
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Steve McDonald
http://www.flickr.com/photos/22121562@N00/
 
... get as much as 1,900mm of equivalent focal-length...
Whoa! I again learnt something new today that has managed to get me 'stunned'!

As usual, I find your comments in this forum very useful and enlightening. Thanks for taking time out to teach us about the different zoom options in the S5IS. You are a superb teacher and I therefore always value your input because I find it very easy to comprehend when you explain things the way you do.

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Click

Pics taken while exploring the capabilities of my new S5IS...
800 x 600 pics at Flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/clicky/sets/72157600365816494/
Full size pics at Picasa:
http://picasaweb.google.com/click.mr/CanonS5IS
 
Thanks again for your detailed information. I read this info in the owners manual, but really did not quite understand the whole concept. I pretty much was avoiding using digital zoom at all. Now I can take advantage of digital zoom to some extent without negatively impacting the picture.
Thanks,
Paul
 
The race to higher and higher megapixels has never interested me but zoom is something I value highly. With 8 megapixels in the S5, the safety zoom now becomes very practical with 5 megapixels setting.

This is good information and I consider it a valid reason to buy the S5, which I'm sure I will do before my trip to Yellowstone in September. Distant animals, beware.....I now have your number, thanks to safety zoom.

Good information! Thanks!
 
Steve, "safety zoom" sounds very similiar to the whole "digital equivilent" hoohaa. Is this just cropping a section of the sensor and enlarging it? Thanks for your informative posts. -Mike
 
With 8 megapixels in the S5, the safety zoom now becomes very practical with 5 megapixels setting.
How does the safety zoom actually (technically) work? Can't it simply use a portion of the 8 mexapixel image? Are only fixed MP sizes (5, 3 & 2 MP) available with the safety zoom feature? Maybe I'm a little confused here.

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Click
 
Click,

I don't understand it myself but it's apparently a legitimate way to increase the zoom without sacrificing quality, providing you are willing to drop to a lower mp setting, which I am. 5mp is plenty for me and increasing the zoom to 15x seems to be a fair trade off. If we stay tuned, someone will explain this,.......and someone else will say you can do the same thing in your computer.

Personally, I prefer to do this in the camera since I can see what I'm getting when I take the picture.

Jack
 
Personally, I prefer to do this in the camera since I can see what
I'm getting when I take the picture.
Hi Jack,

I would also prefer to do this in camera if I could. Those who say its the same thing as doing it on the computer either do not really appreciate the benefit or importance of appropriate metering for the frame in question. Safety zoom allows me to meter critically just for the frame I am shooting... nothing less nothing more... and that is verrrrrry important to me.

I always am extremely critical of my metering for each and every pic I take. Once I understand the dynamic range of the scene vs. limitations of the camera, the knowledge makes it easier for me to get cleaner less noisier pics.

That said, there are often times I do not even bother taking out my camera to take a pic when it is obvious to me the equipment I am carrying at that time will simply not be able to provide me with a pic that I'd find acceptable subsequently.

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Click
 
When you have Digital Zoom switched to Off in the Menu and therefore Safety Zoom is also off, the use of smaller pixel-sizes, such as 5-MP and 3-MP, is handled differently by the camera's processor. Without Safety Zoom in operation, a 5-MP setting will produce an image that is derived from the full 8 MegaPixels of the CCD.

It is encoded as an 8-MP image and then re-encoded for the 5-MP pixel-size. This 2nd encoding does not help the image quality. However, with Safety Zoom in operation, when you zoom into the yellow zone above the regular zoom range, a smaller, inner-sector of the CCD is used to produce the 5-MP image. It is encoded directly for the 5-MP pixel-size and isn't degraded by a double-encoding process. The image that is taken from the smaller sector of the CCD becomes full-screen and this is what gives it the extra magnification effect. This explanation has come from several experienced photographers, but I've never found any detailed explanations of it from any of the manufacturers who use similar expanded-zoom systems. Sony uses a zooming feature of this type that they call, "Smart Zoom".

Now, there's a part of this that hasn't been made clear at all to me. What happens to a 5-MP or 3-MP image, when the zoom is in the normal range, up to 12X, when Safety Zoom is turned on? Is the image from that normal zoom range double-encoded and derived from the full 8-MP image? Is the direct, single-encoding process used only when the zoom has moved up into the expanded range? Or, is there a single-encoding that is used from a smaller, inner sector of the CCD, all the way through the zoom range, when Safety Zoom is switched on? If the smaller sector was used throughout the whole zoom range with Safety Zoom, then at the wide end, the field-of-view (FOV) would be narrower and it would have an effective focal-length that was larger than 36mm. Some careful FOV tests might reveal the answer to this. I know that some people claim that Sony's Smart Zoom doesn't narrow the FOV at the wide end, as it reduces the active CCD sector only in the extended part of the zoom range. How all this affects the encoding process and image-quality in the normal zoom range with Safety Zoom, is not certain to me, but perhaps other people have some insight about it.

In any case, I usually switch Safety Zoom on in my S5, only when I'm planning to go up into the expanded yellow zone. Since it is integrated into the same zooming progression as Digital Zoom, it is too easy to accidently slip into the forbidden blue zone, where I don't care to be for reasons of reduced picture quality. Sony has their Smart Zoom in a separate Menu selection from Digital Zoom, that makes it simple to avoid that problem.
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Steve McDonald
http://www.flickr.com/photos/22121562@N00/
 
FWIW, on the Panasonic FZ7/FZ8, the "extended zoom" feature is automatically implemented upon selecting (using the ever-so-handy joystick) a lower pixel count. That is, if one selects 3 MP, zooming to the telephoto end automatically extends to 16.5X (or whatever it is, I believe that is correct). The digital zoom feature, however, requires accessing through the menu system (so no worries about accidentally straying into this "zone").

My understanding is that it is, at the risk of over-simplifying, in-camera cropping and the same as what could be achieved on a computer after-the-fact. But, as someone noted, it does offer the advantage of allowing live framing and metering at the time of taking the picture (which for some may be more important than for others).
 
This explanation has come from several experienced photographers, but
I've never found any detailed explanations of it from any of the
manufacturers who use similar expanded-zoom systems.
Though we still aren't not totally clear about this, I'm getting the general idea now thanks to your lucid explanation. I'll try to learn more about this in due course and post my findings if I succeed.

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Click

Pics taken while exploring the capabilities of my new S5IS...
800 x 600 pics at Flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/clicky/sets/72157600365816494/
Full size pics at Picasa:
http://picasaweb.google.com/click.mr/CanonS5IS
 

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