S100fs to S200exr: Whose jumpin'?

[jimr]

Nothing new about the technology...just put different parts in different packages....
The $549 body has what parts that justify the price ????

I see no claim from Ricoh anyplace that you can change the sensor within the unit to update it. If that was the case they would surely say so because that would be an asset rather than buying complete new units again to get new sensors even if the lens is identical and all you want is newer better sensors...

You have to replace every lens unit when a new sensor breakthrough comes out wasting all that money throwing out all of you good lenses....just to upgrade the sensors...
New idea. Rediculous idea...

Again just price the shown cost by Ricoh of the small sensored unit and the body you need to mount that small sensored unit. Add it up....

 

[Greg Photo Sydney]

Agree that lack of lens choice is still the concern with micro 4/3: but longer term, for me, it is a very interesting concept.

I may dip my toe in this water when Fuji weigh in with an offering. What lens (es) will they come in with, I wonder?

 

[Greg Photo Sydney]

It's not the technology at issue here.

It's the application of the technology that's clever.

Sure, there might be some unseen drawbacks to the new Ricoh. But the way it looks now, expensive as you think the system may be, if it delivers better pictures, and pictures that would otherwise never materialise, then it will be worth every penny.

That's why the S100fs is one of digital's greats. It's given me pictures I wouldn't have even tried for – let alone pulled off – on other platforms.

 

[ZoranC]

... saw a survey today of dslr users' favourite lenses.

Clear winner? 18-200/250mm and by a long way.

Why? DSLR users don't like changing lenses!!!
Why? They don't like dust. And it's a pain in the bottom.

When the right option arrives, bye bye dslrs and bags and bags of glass.

I can not believe that nonsense. Where did they pick those "users"? It seems among consumers that happen to own DSLR.

There is nothing that will replace bags of glass in scenarios that call for them.

 

[Kevin Coppalotti]

In July I sold all my Olympus DSLR gear and bought an S100. I promised myself that I would wait 6 months before making another move.

Then September came, with it's glorious Fall colours and I started panicking. I went to my nearest Henry's (camera store) and purchase an E-30/14-54II.

The S100 is sitting inside a camera bag unused. I'm debating if to keep it as a backup or use it to fund an mFT outfit.

Don't get me wrong. I love the S100, but there's something about the Oly colours...

Jeff.

I would say your situation is common Jeff, - many have already made the jump to DSLR which would explain why so few buyers for the S200exr have surfaced. My main reason for sticking with the s100/s200 is the silent operation for wildlife at close quarters and that is a highly specialized niche.

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[Greg Photo Sydney]

Hey, we all know surveys and statistics can be misleading. But I think the contributors to this survey chose to participate. It was on a photography enthusiasts' site.

At a guess, I'd say 99% of dslrs go to 'consumers'. Without that market to support the higher end of the ranges, you'd still be paying $35k for a dslr. So I wouldn't look too far down on them.

My own street survey of dslrs indicates that about 95% of dslr owners only use the short zoom kit lens.

It's only the real enthusiasts who realise how limiting that choice is. So most of them go out and get an 18-200/250... and then only use that. Because....they don't have to change lenses... or worry about dust.

The extra ambitious will buy a 50mm standard with a nice big aperture, or a decent macro lens. And that, is about as far as it goes until the whole lot goes in a cupboard and is replaced by a $300 compact for the real important photographic work in people's lives.

That's the paradox of photography.

Sure it's true that if you are a significant talent in nature, close up, sports and action photography, you will have wider choices with dslr and the right lens. Talent in this case means those with sufficient imagination and creativity to actually produce outstanding work. The sort of thing that gets published in books, magazines etc.

For the rest of the population...almost everyone else... there are much better camera choices in the new era of photography.

 

[Greg Photo Sydney]

There's a lot of good reasons for favouring the S100/S200. Not only silent operation.

Probably best of all is...all-round flexibility.

I was pessimistic earlier about the chance of a real upgrade in the this Fuji line. But not without hope. Give me one of those vastly improved electronic viewfinders we are reading about and faster focusing...then I'd be in the market again for an upgrade.

On a personal note, I'm no bird photographer but can't resist a shot when it comes my way.

Here's one taken with the S100fs last weekend. It's a tawny frogmouth owl found on the ground in a local churchyard. Not injured, just taking the sun, thankfully.

Taken at 300mm equiv.

I had a dslr with me at the time (main task was a portrait of a friend's old dog). But wouldn't you know it. Had the wrong lens on at the time. Would never have got in this close on the day without the Fuji – again proving its worth for flexibility.

 

[ASR45]

What ever your decision, im confident you will produce the goods what ever camera you have in what i have seen from your excellent bird pics, you dont need any advice on switching.

If you do get the S200EXR, im sure you will continually to impress us all regards Alan

 

[jimr]

the IQ of images over what is available in other systems and in the case of the expensive small sensored zoom/body combination, nothing to indicate it will be any better than the Canon G11/S90 Panasonic LX3 that cost less than Ricoh is charging for the naked GRX body alone!!!!.....Nothng at alll....No breakthroughs......Clever idea that accomplishes nothing new IQ wise..price wise...

With the S100fs you have a Fuji sensor.....with the EXR cameras the DR advantage...with the Ricoh...nothing at all...

It's not the technology at issue here.

It's the application of the technology that's clever.

Sure, there might be some unseen drawbacks to the new Ricoh. But the way it looks now, expensive as you think the system may be, if it delivers better pictures, and pictures that would otherwise never materialise, then it will be worth every penny.

That's why the S100fs is one of digital's greats. It's given me pictures I wouldn't have even tried for – let alone pulled off – on other platforms.

 

[Labe]

THE s200 does ok.
jpeg no pp. (just the damage pbucket does resizing)

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Think you'll enjoy it. cheers Paul
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[Ronald]

This is the very reason why the Fuji Bridge camera's are so great.
To my way of thinking , getting the shot is the most important thing.

People can debate forever aout the composition of the picture, but they cant argue having a picture versus missing a picture while trying to change lenses.

Anyway
Great shot
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Ronald Nikon cp4500, tc-e2, canon tc-dc58n, Fuji S9000

 

[Arnab Pratim Das]

Still hangin' on to the articulating LCD of my S100fs ...





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[dotbalm]

Thanks for posting.

 

[Kevin Coppalotti]

Thanks for the replies everyone, as I suspected I can't see a lot of S100fs owners rushing to upgrade but someone has to do the hard yards in comparison tests.

I am suffering a bad case of buyers remorse and Digital Rev in Hong Kong are questioning my identity even tho I have purchased recently (canon D10) from them, doh!

Why did I place the order on a Friday? I normally order on a Monday to give 5 full working days to sort out the order and get the goods loaded onboard a tramp steamer bound for the Outback. It could be a looong wait.....
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[Lloydy]

... They run tramp steamers across the desert ?

Cheers.
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[ZoranC]

Hey, we all know surveys and statistics can be misleading. ...
...
At a guess, I'd say 99% of dslrs go to 'consumers'.

Like you said, lies, damn lies, and statistics. And sure proof way to get twisted conclusions from statistics is poor selection of a sample. Just because "99%" of DSLR owners are having megazoom as their primary and often only lens conclusion that it is time to say bye bye to a bag of glass is still a nonsense. One will never replace the other and vice versa.

 

[Larry Winters]

If fact I just purchased a 2nd s100fs for backup as I doubt we'll ever see anything like it ever again from any manufacturer...

I'm not a big low light shooter so the EXR sensor isn't that desireable for me...Especially since the s100fs is cleaner at all ISO's when comparing 11mp to the 12mp on the s200EXR...

lw

Anyone else wavering over the jump from the best superzoom of ALL time to the new fangled 'Taylor Swift' S200exr? I'm almost convinced because the files on the new model seem less noisy despite the smaller sensor.

I think only Alan (ASR45) has made the move having sold the S100fs? What about Jada? Dave LLoyd? Shall we hold hands and take the leap of faith together?
I'll search an aussie shopbot for a low price .....
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[Kevin Coppalotti]

If fact I just purchased a 2nd s100fs for backup as I doubt we'll ever see anything like it ever again from any manufacturer...

I'm not a big low light shooter so the EXR sensor isn't that desireable for me...Especially since the s100fs is cleaner at all ISO's when comparing 11mp to the 12mp on the s200EXR...

lw

I see a cult classic in the making, much like the FZ30/50 was so reverred in the panny forum. There seems to be a niche of people unable or unwilling to move to DSLR and cling to the superzoom.

I just placed a revised order for the S200exr with digtal rev $A460 ($US425) including a spare battery and free delivery so it looks like the S200 is not going too well on the sales charts, after launching at $US599.
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[Kevin Coppalotti]

... They run tramp steamers across the desert ?

Cheers.
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Have fun - take lotsa pix.

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Paddle steamers Dave, up the murray darling crammed with wool bales as Australia rode on the sheeps back...wait that was pre global warming, looks like it will be 'ships of the desert', the camel, an estimated 1 million of 'em are out there somewhere ....

P.S made another attempt to place an order via ebay, hopefully it will work this time.
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[Larry Winters]

Hello Kevin:

I've owned approximately $55K worth of DSLR cameras, lenses, etc. in the last 5 years...Fujifilm, Canon, Nikon, Minolta, Sony, Panasonic, Pentax, 4/3rds, etc...Point being for what I do the s100fs fits the bill better than any DSLR combo...The s100fs does everything I want and much more...So much so I probably won't buy another larger type camera ever...Therefore the purchasing of a 2nd s100fs for insurance..

I also can see the price of the s100fs escalating over the next year and beyond in case I do change my mind...

While there are many going the DSLR route there are some going back to a bridge type camera...Neither choice is wrong, just a preference...

kd

If fact I just purchased a 2nd s100fs for backup as I doubt we'll ever see anything like it ever again from any manufacturer...

I'm not a big low light shooter so the EXR sensor isn't that desireable for me...Especially since the s100fs is cleaner at all ISO's when comparing 11mp to the 12mp on the s200EXR...

lw

I see a cult classic in the making, much like the FZ30/50 was so reverred in the panny forum. There seems to be a niche of people unable or unwilling to move to DSLR and cling to the superzoom.

I just placed a revised order for the S200exr with digtal rev $A460 ($US425) including a spare battery and free delivery so it looks like the S200 is not going too well on the sales charts, after launching at $US599.
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Kevin Coppalotti
http://maxhr.zenfolio.com/
http://razorsharp.smugmug.com