Returned the 10D

[Karthik Murugesan176831]

I understand you are taking about that particular 10D you have, still jus wanted to share few night shots from another 10D.







this is pretty big, so i am just linking
http://www.pbase.com/image/27202871/original

cheers. Karthik

http://pbase.com/cartic_kn
http://camantrix.com

 

[Flower]

They look great.

I understand you are taking about that particular 10D you have,
still jus wanted to share few night shots from another 10D.







this is pretty big, so i am just linking
http://www.pbase.com/image/27202871/original

cheers. Karthik

http://pbase.com/cartic_kn
http://camantrix.com

 

[Photosbymorgan2]

That was with USB 1.1 Either USB is still a lot slower than firewire.

Also, your ultra card makes no difference in the camera. You will
only see improvement if you download with a usb 2.0 reader.

I'm willing to pay $2000 if it has the AF speed and accuracy of the
1D.

As for focusing manually, my eyesight is poor and it's rather hard
to focus when it's wide open and there's a very thin DOF.

buydig.com was $1155 brand new last i checked.

auto focus isn't the end of things either, there's always manual if
af won't do what you want every time...although it is a good thing
to have a working af.

--
The man who smiles when there is a problem has found someone to blame.

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The man who smiles when there is a problem has found someone to blame.

 

[Delaney Lovell]

I'm with you flower...these males get so phallic about their cameras...they need to just settle down...you'd think you were bad mouthing their mother or something the way they react to the slightest critisism about their new phallic extention.

Delaney

I admit my last camera was a P&S and it took longer to display and
the download was faster so the 10D's display seemed a lot faster.

Knowing something is 3 fps and actually shooting with it are two
different things. You don't really not until you actually use the
camera if it's fast enough.

You guys should just relax and not get so defensive over a camera.

some comments about your observations:
An UltraII in a 10D will accelerate nothing. It will be as slow as
a 12x Lexar, because the camera is slow at writing anyway. You must
be coming from a digicam to find the 10D fast at writing. Heck,
even the 2002 Canon D60 is faster and more responsive than the
10D...
What were you dreaming of, expecting fast download speeds from the
camera's USB????!!!! it's even slower than a $10 USB1.1 card
reader!! nonsense, here.
a backfocusing camera isn't the end of the world... jsut send it
back and have it fixed... my 10D backfocuses, but it's no big deal,
I already shot 2 weddings with it, and frankly, the pics are
beautiful.
If you want more than 3fps, you shouldn't have bought the 10D in
the first place. Maybe 1 well-triggered shot is better than a 3fps
"spray" hoping one of the pics will come out good?
What didn't you like about the night shots??! it's one of the best
cameras for that!!

I was shooting outside. Plenty of light. The ones that were sharp
and correctly focused were dreamy.

Guillaume
http://www.at-sight.com

 

[Delaney Lovell]

I get sick of these Canonite apologists....there are so many here on this site!!!!

Is this just a male thing or what?!?!?

Delaney

auto focus isn't the end of things either, there's always manual if
af won't do what you want every time...although it is a good thing
to have a working af.

Such apologism on behalf of Canon always raises a wry smile.

Why when we the consumers are spending $1200+ on a camera system
should we not expect to have delivered what Canon promise to
deliver in their advertising, namely a fully functioning autofocus
system.

You cannot rely on manual focus on the 10D because it doesn't have
the tools to do it, namely a full size bright viewfinder with a
proper focusing screen. The 10D relies on autofocus and as such
needs to deliver a fully functioning autofocus, which for a small
but significant minority of customers it doens't.

I would agree that the buyer in this case probably got a dud,
probably returned for focus reasons. Some people have got multiple
duds though, so it's luck of the draw.

Thing is, after all this time the issue of 10D focus isn't going
away despite all the apologism and people being told it's their
technique at fault, when it isn't. Back focus is back focus and
front focus is front focus.

Of course this isn't all 10Ds, but it's enough for the issue to
keep rearing its head. Let's hope the 10D replacement(s) have an
improved AF which puts this issue to bed for once and for all.

Martin

 

[Rylee Isitt]

Sounds like what you need is the 1d MK II, if you're interested in more AF points and more than 3fps.

Honestly - how long did you try it out for?

Maybe it was a duff camera since it was already returned before and
the salesman sold it to me at a discount. $1300.

Here's my impression of the camera.

Positive - wonderful image quality. Low noise and great color repro.
Write speed and image display was surprisingly fast. Of course I
had an Ultra II compact flash card.

The software that displayed each image setting was very helpful.

Negative - Constantly back focused. I had to throw out most of my
pics.

AF and 3 fps just didn't seem fast enough for action shoot. Shots
were out of focus.

Night shots didn't seem very good.

Looks like I'm waiting a little longer for the upgrade.

Hoping the AF is much improved.

Image transfer to computer using the USB cable took forever.

--
All my work are belong to me

 

[howyroark]

Keep rearing its head? I have seen so many people on here complain about the focus of this camera, and then when we see some pictures we learn that the whole problem is that they weren't used to the lack of in camera sharpening and an agressive anti aliasing filter...solution -- photoshop unsharp mask.

Many people think their camera is a dud because they use automatic AF point selection and it pics something high contrast in a low contrast scene.

I agree that an AF camera in this price range should focus accurately and quickly, and I also agree that manual focusing without a different focusing screen is impossible. What I don't agree with is the moronic contention that Canon is selling a camera it knows to be defective. The 10D is used by professionals and amateurs alike. Why would they anger such a wide cross section of their customer base?

In the end, if the camera doesn't work as advertised they'll fix it. If they don't fix it, you can return it.

Finally, the solution offered was to use MF when necessary. For example, night shots are very difficult to use AF on, so do it manually. No one ever said "if AF doesn't work, MF all the time and shut up."

The next Canon release doesn't need to solve any problems, although it may improve upon an already good system. Maybe what they should do is release the 10D as the 10DMkII for about $2,000 with the only difference being they cover the shipping charges if something is wrong. Oh, and they also have a customer service line that will listen to people complain when all they need to do is take action to fix the problem.

auto focus isn't the end of things either, there's always manual if
af won't do what you want every time...although it is a good thing
to have a working af.

Such apologism on behalf of Canon always raises a wry smile.

Why when we the consumers are spending $1200+ on a camera system
should we not expect to have delivered what Canon promise to
deliver in their advertising, namely a fully functioning autofocus
system.

You cannot rely on manual focus on the 10D because it doesn't have
the tools to do it, namely a full size bright viewfinder with a
proper focusing screen. The 10D relies on autofocus and as such
needs to deliver a fully functioning autofocus, which for a small
but significant minority of customers it doens't.

I would agree that the buyer in this case probably got a dud,
probably returned for focus reasons. Some people have got multiple
duds though, so it's luck of the draw.

Thing is, after all this time the issue of 10D focus isn't going
away despite all the apologism and people being told it's their
technique at fault, when it isn't. Back focus is back focus and
front focus is front focus.

Of course this isn't all 10Ds, but it's enough for the issue to
keep rearing its head. Let's hope the 10D replacement(s) have an
improved AF which puts this issue to bed for once and for all.

Martin

--
Matt

 

[Flower]

About 5 days. Over 1000 shots with 3 lenses. These guys are probably right. It's a great camera but I don't know how to use it right.

I'm going to wait and check out the upgrade. If the AF is much improved than 3fps may be workable.

Honestly - how long did you try it out for?

Maybe it was a duff camera since it was already returned before and
the salesman sold it to me at a discount. $1300.

Here's my impression of the camera.

Positive - wonderful image quality. Low noise and great color repro.
Write speed and image display was surprisingly fast. Of course I
had an Ultra II compact flash card.

The software that displayed each image setting was very helpful.

Negative - Constantly back focused. I had to throw out most of my
pics.

AF and 3 fps just didn't seem fast enough for action shoot. Shots
were out of focus.

Night shots didn't seem very good.

Looks like I'm waiting a little longer for the upgrade.

Hoping the AF is much improved.

Image transfer to computer using the USB cable took forever.

--
All my work are belong to me

 

[Reon]

My no-brand generic usb-2 card reader (cost me 10$) downloads 1Gig in 6 minutes.

Also, your ultra card makes no difference in the camera. You will
only see improvement if you download with a usb 2.0 reader.

I'm willing to pay $2000 if it has the AF speed and accuracy of the
1D.

As for focusing manually, my eyesight is poor and it's rather hard
to focus when it's wide open and there's a very thin DOF.

buydig.com was $1155 brand new last i checked.

auto focus isn't the end of things either, there's always manual if
af won't do what you want every time...although it is a good thing
to have a working af.

--
The man who smiles when there is a problem has found someone to blame.

--
The man who smiles when there is a problem has found someone to blame.

--
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If I am drunk and obnoxious, then I am swedish.

 

[peteb]

There have definitely been defective cameras that have needed fixing, and in all fairness to those individuals, I can understand their frustration at being lumped in with the % that just had 'new camerae troubles'.

A lot of people crop up with supposedly a 'lot' of photo (SLR) experience post some shots then come back a few days later and say 'Oh gee, guess what, it WAS me after all - oops' except the statement usually goes, "I starteg getting better results, maybe I'll keep it a while after all'.

Mixed bag, for every genuine duffer there seems to have been 2 or 3 cry wolfs.

I'm lucky, no issues with my rig (yet - touch wood) but I feel for those that have had difficulty, either getting good gear, or getting to grips with their new gear.

auto focus isn't the end of things either, there's always manual if
af won't do what you want every time...although it is a good thing
to have a working af.

Such apologism on behalf of Canon always raises a wry smile.

Why when we the consumers are spending $1200+ on a camera system
should we not expect to have delivered what Canon promise to
deliver in their advertising, namely a fully functioning autofocus
system.

You cannot rely on manual focus on the 10D because it doesn't have
the tools to do it, namely a full size bright viewfinder with a
proper focusing screen. The 10D relies on autofocus and as such
needs to deliver a fully functioning autofocus, which for a small
but significant minority of customers it doens't.

I would agree that the buyer in this case probably got a dud,
probably returned for focus reasons. Some people have got multiple
duds though, so it's luck of the draw.

Thing is, after all this time the issue of 10D focus isn't going
away despite all the apologism and people being told it's their
technique at fault, when it isn't. Back focus is back focus and
front focus is front focus.

Of course this isn't all 10Ds, but it's enough for the issue to
keep rearing its head. Let's hope the 10D replacement(s) have an
improved AF which puts this issue to bed for once and for all.

Martin

--
Matt

--
http://public.fotki.com/wibble/public_display/

 

[stephanie gaspard]

auto focus isn't the end of things either, there's always manual if
af won't do what you want every time...although it is a good thing
to have a working af.

Such apologism on behalf of Canon always raises a wry smile.

Why when we the consumers are spending $1200+ on a camera system
should we not expect to have delivered what Canon promise to
deliver in their advertising, namely a fully functioning autofocus
system.

You cannot rely on manual focus on the 10D because it doesn't have
the tools to do it, namely a full size bright viewfinder with a
proper focusing screen.

The 10D doesn't work well in manual focus? I'm confused so excuse me. I'm upgrading to DSLR because I've outgrown my G2. I've been looking at the Rebel and have decided I just don't like the body. I then almost deciided on the nikon D70, but then thought I'd rather stick with canon and have been lurking here thinking that I would get the 10D instead. YOur comment above throws me now. I'm upgrading form P&S because I do want to expand my skills now and shoot in manual mode. Help me out here. I'm ready to buy and am getting frustrated because everytime I think I've found my camera, I don't.

The 10D relies on autofocus and as such

needs to deliver a fully functioning autofocus, which for a small
but significant minority of customers it doens't.

I would agree that the buyer in this case probably got a dud,
probably returned for focus reasons. Some people have got multiple
duds though, so it's luck of the draw.

Thing is, after all this time the issue of 10D focus isn't going
away despite all the apologism and people being told it's their
technique at fault, when it isn't. Back focus is back focus and
front focus is front focus.

Of course this isn't all 10Ds, but it's enough for the issue to
keep rearing its head. Let's hope the 10D replacement(s) have an
improved AF which puts this issue to bed for once and for all.

Martin

 

[Mark Hanson]

The 10D doesn't work well in manual focus? I'm confused so excuse
me. I'm upgrading to DSLR because I've outgrown my G2. I've been
looking at the Rebel and have decided I just don't like the body. I
then almost deciided on the nikon D70, but then thought I'd rather
stick with canon and have been lurking here thinking that I would
get the 10D instead. YOur comment above throws me now. I'm
upgrading form P&S because I do want to expand my skills now and
shoot in manual mode. Help me out here. I'm ready to buy and am
getting frustrated because everytime I think I've found my camera,
I don't.

...the 10D's viewfinder is somewhat small and dim, it can make manual focusing difficult. Hardly impossibly -- I've done it many times myself -- but it's not very precise, and a bright scene is definitely a requirement.

There's nothing "wrong" with the 10D; that's just the way it is with non-pro SLRs -- the D70 suffers the same "problem." The 1D, 1DII and the 1Ds have big, bright viewfinders and removable screens, making split-screen focusing possible.

Mark

 

[quadra950]

Can't remember which, but some Nikon users have bodly mod'd their viewfinders for split screen.