Retardation and minutia.

[markE59102]

Well, I like some technical talk, but so much has already been
answered in the 2+ years the E-10 has been out that there is little
but rehashing these days. However, I still read these posts and
often learning new things all the time.

I find it intersting too, but I have to be in a technical mood. I'm
sure if we did a poll, 75+% of forum particpants in ANY forum on
DPR are engineers. Engineers just seem to be drawn to photography
and I think it's the technical aspect that does that. It quenches
their need for engineering and also gives them a creative outlet. I
can't relate AT ALL, but I USED to have that technical side. In
highschool I used to construct circuit boards for a friend who was
an engineer at JPL. I worked through highschool with an emphasis on
math and science and then went that direction in college. It was
about that time I decided that although I enjoy the technical
aspect of things, I am actually an artist at heart. It's been a
while since I've worked in that arena, but just know that when I'm
rewiring battery sources, I do have comewhat of a background in it.
I'm just very rusty. Years of shooting beautiful girls turns the
brain to mush, and I am happy to say I have a head FULL of mush.

Mmmm...mu-u-ush.

even speculation if it
stays on track and doesn’t become a p*issing match.

p*issing is okay as long as it stays on track.

That's what I like about the 1DS. Those moisture seals, ya know?

As for photos, come on. How many rodents do we
have to see with their innards hanging out?

That's real nice. Now all I'm remembered for is x-rated animal gore?

Or do
unspeakable things to their dog, eh Mark?)

Oh, that's better. That's two things now. Much better.

Or launching an unprovoked attack against our camera of choice.
I’m not big on Ford Escorts, so should I go up to every Escort
owner I meet and go into a tirade about what a bad car they have
and why they’re such a loser for owning one? Besides being stupid
and wrong headed, it doesn’t fit into what’s considers socially
accepted behavior.

Someone really should have told me that.

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[dgrogers]

Tech stuff allows you to get to know your camera and use it better. Images and technique makes you more creative with your camera. This site should be about both -- getting the most out of your camera and learning how to take better images.

This kind of reminds me of a thread I recently posted in the retouching forum asking for a comparrison between Photoshop and Corel Photowdraw. Most people answered Photoshop is better because it's better -- no reasons were given (by the people who worship Photoshop), making their posts worthless to anyone.

To quote a recent post...

Your thread reminds me why I've generally stopped coming to this forum, but like a bad auto accident...

and another...

I normally don't reply to these ridiculous sites (as you can tell from my absence of posts).

Now, not everyone's opinion matters, least of all mine. Only one of
these two posts do I really give a rats patooty about... I'll leave
it to you to decide.

Now, what my question is, is:

What do you want from this forum? Some people only want tech stuff
and get annoyed by pictures. Other people come in and say "Enough
of all this tech-babble, where are your 'eagle devouring rodent'
photos?" Then there are those that just get sick and bored of
babblers like me.

So, just wondering, what does everyone want? I sure as hell dont
plan on giving it to you, even if I could, which I cant... I'm just
wondering.

What do I want? Peace in the world and idiots to stay in the Fuji
forum. IS that too much to ask? (I think peace will come first.)

-GageFX

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[GageFX133521]

This is Mark just doing his part to stay on topic. Well done.

-GFX

 

[GageFX133521]

Photo shop IS better because it's better. Duh! Actually it's better because it's the "industry standard". Is that better? I am joking, of course.

Hold on... let me check something... I buy about $300-400 worth of magazine each month for photo reference and I came across an article somewhere... just gotta find the mag in the mess...

Okay, I found the article. It's in the Jan 2003 issue of "Digital Camera World" (UK printed). They review 6 photo editors and Corel isnt listed amoung them. This may mean NOTHING, but I usually take things like that to mean that they dont compare favorably. If it did, I think they'd list it. Just my opinion, though.

I haven't check their site, but you might want to look for the article online:

http://www.digitalcameramag.co.uk/

Now I realize you may not be looking for that info anymore, and you were just making a point, but I needed a break from cleaning.

-GageFX - a professional photographer for no reason other than to be able to write off SI Swimsuit and $375 worth of other "art" magazines each month in taxes.

Tech stuff allows you to get to know your camera and use it better.
Images and technique makes you more creative with your camera.
This site should be about both -- getting the most out of your
camera and learning how to take better images.

This kind of reminds me of a thread I recently posted in the
retouching forum asking for a comparrison between Photoshop and
Corel Photowdraw. Most people answered Photoshop is better because
it's better -- no reasons were given (by the people who worship
Photoshop), making their posts worthless to anyone.

 

[markE59102]

What do you want from this forum? Some people only want tech stuff
and get annoyed by pictures.

I just want a safe place where I can share my slow buffer blues with others.

Other people come in and say "Enough
of all this tech-babble, where are your 'eagle devouring rodent'
photos?"

It was a hawk. Red-tailed hawk. Mature.

Then there are those that just get sick and bored of
babblers like me.

Not when they have me to put up with. :-D

So, just wondering, what does everyone want?

A corn dog (with mustard) and a butterscotch malt.

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[Cleave]

Hi GageFX and others,

I almost didn't reply to this post but... as GageFX quoted me in the thread, I guess I'll get on my soapbox (and not necessarily for the last time).

Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like there are others, like some of those responding to GageFX's post, who, like me, are tired of the endless debates about which camera is better, how Olympus has missed the boat, debates on the virtues of product that's not on the shelves (pre-E-20 and 4/3), etc. I generally (99% of the time) stay out of these kinds of threads and I certainly stay away from the name-calling, mud-slinging, etc. (turn the other cheek, please) because, after all, this is just a camera discussion forum. Given the current state of the world, some of you who insist on arguing, rather than discussing, should sit back and think about the REAL importance of some of these topics.

My cyber-social observation is that many people on this and other forums, for some strange reason, can't leave a caustic topic alone. IMHO if people would show some maturity of restraint, this and other cyber or real places would be much nicer and more constructive.

Opinions are fine. Even though some people have a "strange" sense of where to post their comments about other (than Olympus) cameras, I have always found it interesting how a post that most people identify as trolling get many more responses than someone asking a legitimate question.

I also wonder at those who answer someone who has asked a legitimate question with something less than helpful like, "Even though I don't own one, why did you bother buying that ridiculous product," or "I thought that was something you used to floss your teeth." I guess some people like to waste bandwidth.

So, since this is a largely unmoderated forum -- which others have told me is why they stopped participating in it -- let's try behaving a bit better, showing a bit more restraint, and helping those when we have some information. That's what I would do if I were king, or what I want for Christmas, or...
--
Thanks.

Cleave

 

[dgrogers]

...it's part of the CorelDRAW graphics suite. Don't know where my head is right now. If you find it, please let me know....

Photo shop IS better because it's better. Duh! Actually it's better
because it's the "industry standard". Is that better? I am
joking, of course.

Yup, hear that all the time. Too bad I want to know if it's better for me, not someone else (of course, nobody understands that people are different).

Hold on... let me check something... I buy about $300-400 worth of
magazine each month for photo reference and I came across an
article somewhere... just gotta find the mag in the mess...

I hope you recycle, if not your inflating the price of paper -- and this isn't fair for me.

Okay, I found the article. It's in the Jan 2003 issue of "Digital
Camera World" (UK printed). They review 6 photo editors and Corel
isnt listed amoung them. This may mean NOTHING, but I usually take
things like that to mean that they dont compare favorably. If it
did, I think they'd list it. Just my opinion, though.

Sometimes it means some companies advertise and others don't.

I haven't check their site, but you might want to look for the
article online:

http://www.digitalcameramag.co.uk/

I'm looking now, without much luck.

Now I realize you may not be looking for that info anymore, and you
were just making a point, but I needed a break from cleaning.

I guess if you get $400 in magazines a month, you pretty much have to clean constantly. Me? I'd hire a maid, or a girlfriend ....

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[Wile E. Coyote]

To quote a recent post...

Your thread reminds me why I've generally stopped coming to this forum, but like a bad auto accident...

and another...

I normally don't reply to these ridiculous sites (as you can tell from my absence of posts).

Now, not everyone's opinion matters, least of all mine. Only one of
these two posts do I really give a rats patooty about... I'll leave
it to you to decide.

Now, what my question is, is:

What do you want from this forum? Some people only want tech stuff
and get annoyed by pictures. Other people come in and say "Enough
of all this tech-babble, where are your 'eagle devouring rodent'
photos?" Then there are those that just get sick and bored of
babblers like me.

So, just wondering, what does everyone want? I sure as hell dont
plan on giving it to you, even if I could, which I cant... I'm just
wondering.

What do I want? Peace in the world and idiots to stay in the Fuji
forum. IS that too much to ask? (I think peace will come first.)

-GageFX

I agree with you 100% regarding the "Fuji/Sony/Canon/Nikon/ad nauseum forums" idiots bashing the Olympus products here in "our" forum.

I've gained a great deal by reading this forum from looking at Eagles devouring Rodents to "tech babble." Frankly, I want all of it.
The input from the people on this forum has helped me immeasurably.
Just keep up the good work.

--
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[GageFX133521]

I hope you recycle, if not your inflating the price of paper -- and
this isn't fair for me.

INFLATING? PLEASE! I'm essentially buying paper in bulk, therefore reducing the cost for everyone else. I think.

Sometimes it means some companies advertise and others don't.

Ah... a cynic.

I haven't check their site, but you might want to look for the
article online:

http://www.digitalcameramag.co.uk/

I'm looking now, without much luck.

I just looked. No luck either.

Do you own that? Do you want to buy that? IS it something about that software in particualr or are you looking for something that will work for you?

Photoshop is the tops, and the most expensive. It is the tops beacause it's the tops. There's just topo much to explain and the fact there there is so much says it's too much program for many users. It maynot be for you - both featurewise and pricewise.

Paint Shop Pro is next. It is cheap and full featured - the "poor man's Photoshop".

Then you have PS Elements. Again, "Poor Man's Photoshop. Less featured than PSP, but still a good program.

Here are the "results" from the article (just these three). Elements came on top with 90%. Great performace for price. Photoshop got 89% and the review says that it's the price that brought the score down. That and the learning curve, but I think to lower the score for price is retarded (let's stay on topic). Then PSP got 81%. It's "sprawling interface" and the fact that it's "starting to feel dated" brought the score down. I may as well include that Ulead Photoimpact came in fourth with 79%.

Anyway, that's that.

Now I realize you may not be looking for that info anymore, and you
were just making a point, but I needed a break from cleaning.

I guess if you get $400 in magazines a month, you pretty much have
to clean constantly. Me? I'd hire a maid, or a girlfriend ....

Honestly, I haven't really cleaned at all since the breakup. I dont have people over much anymore and dont really have a need to clean. I eat every meal out so I dont use the kitchen - everything has pretty much piled up, especially the mags. I keep them. I have bookshelves for them and they are all in order - well, not the ones from the past 8 months. Wow. 8 months. I pretty much just work all the time and then go out on the weekends. I dont bring anyone home, but stay out often. I certainly do need a maid, but I's have to clean the mess before I got one. She'd take one look and curse me in spanish. No girlfriends. Not yet. They dont take to the Maxims, Stuffs, and FHMs too well. They know where the door is though. Now if only I could find the door. I'm making headway... couldn't tell by looking at it, but I've been at it for 4 hours now with occasional 10 minute DPR breaks. Anyway, thanks for the distraction...back to work.

-GageFX

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[GageFX133521]

I guess some people like to waste bandwidth.

Yes I do. Engineers HATE that. (That isnt a dig, that's a fact.)

Great points Cleave. I only have one counter point. While I dont defend the arguers and troll retaliators ( ), I find it ABSOLUTELY important to put the blame where it belongs - ON THE TROLLS. So often the focus gets put on the person that is fed up with it and responds, and the focus is taken off the actual offender. The responders add to the mess, but focus on the problem. If the trolling wasnt there, the problem wouldn't be there and of course there are those that will always start trouble even without a troll, but THOSE ARE THE TROLLS. Capt. Obvious to the rescue again, but I am amazed at how often people overlook the obvious.

Aside from thatnitpick, I agree. Well said. And I'm glad you decided to share and it pleases me to no end that many try to make a conscious effort not to post in my thread. Makes me feel warm inside.

-GageFX

Hi GageFX and others,

I almost didn't reply to this post but... as GageFX quoted me in
the thread, I guess I'll get on my soapbox (and not necessarily for
the last time).

Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like there are others, like some of
those responding to GageFX's post, who, like me, are tired of the
endless debates about which camera is better, how Olympus has
missed the boat, debates on the virtues of product that's not on
the shelves (pre-E-20 and 4/3), etc. I generally (99% of the time)
stay out of these kinds of threads and I certainly stay away from
the name-calling, mud-slinging, etc. (turn the other cheek, please)
because, after all, this is just a camera discussion forum. Given
the current state of the world, some of you who insist on arguing,
rather than discussing, should sit back and think about the REAL
importance of some of these topics.

My cyber-social observation is that many people on this and other
forums, for some strange reason, can't leave a caustic topic alone.
IMHO if people would show some maturity of restraint, this and
other cyber or real places would be much nicer and more
constructive.

Opinions are fine. Even though some people have a "strange" sense
of where to post their comments about other (than Olympus) cameras,
I have always found it interesting how a post that most people
identify as trolling get many more responses than someone asking a
legitimate question.

I also wonder at those who answer someone who has asked a
legitimate question with something less than helpful like, "Even
though I don't own one, why did you bother buying that ridiculous
product," or "I thought that was something you used to floss your
teeth." I guess some people like to waste bandwidth.

So, since this is a largely unmoderated forum -- which others have
told me is why they stopped participating in it -- let's try
behaving a bit better, showing a bit more restraint, and helping
those when we have some information. That's what I would do if I
were king, or what I want for Christmas, or...
--
Thanks.

Cleave

 

[GageFX133521]

Thanks Bill for sharing. Glad to hear you enjoy the forum. As much as it pains me at times, I enjoy it too. Well, until I get p!ssed again and take a break.

Oh, and MArk would like to clear things up:

It was a hawk. Red-tailed hawk. Mature.

As if it's maturity was in question.

-GageFX

To quote a recent post...

Your thread reminds me why I've generally stopped coming to this forum, but like a bad auto accident...

and another...

I normally don't reply to these ridiculous sites (as you can tell from my absence of posts).

Now, not everyone's opinion matters, least of all mine. Only one of
these two posts do I really give a rats patooty about... I'll leave
it to you to decide.

Now, what my question is, is:

What do you want from this forum? Some people only want tech stuff
and get annoyed by pictures. Other people come in and say "Enough
of all this tech-babble, where are your 'eagle devouring rodent'
photos?" Then there are those that just get sick and bored of
babblers like me.

So, just wondering, what does everyone want? I sure as hell dont
plan on giving it to you, even if I could, which I cant... I'm just
wondering.

What do I want? Peace in the world and idiots to stay in the Fuji
forum. IS that too much to ask? (I think peace will come first.)

-GageFX

I agree with you 100% regarding the "Fuji/Sony/Canon/Nikon/ad
nauseum forums" idiots bashing the Olympus products here in "our"
forum.
I've gained a great deal by reading this forum from looking at
Eagles devouring Rodents to "tech babble." Frankly, I want all of
it.
The input from the people on this forum has helped me immeasurably.
Just keep up the good work.

--
Bill...
E-10, LiPo, WCON08B, FL-40, Canon off camera cord, Stroboframe,
Lumiquest Promax Softbox, Wacom GraphireII...other stuff, too...

 

[dgrogers]

Sometimes it means some companies advertise and others don't.

Ah... a cynic.

Maybe, but sometimes it's the truth.

http://www.digitalcameramag.co.uk/forum/forummessages.asp?URN=5&UTN=379&SP=&V=4#2383

Why wasn't Photopaint part of the review?

Do you own that? Do you want to buy that? IS it something about
that software in particualr or are you looking for something that
will work for you?

Photopaint interests me because many people that are experienced with both Photoshop and Photopaint say that Photopaint has just as much ability as Photoshop does, is cheaper, and comes in a suite with other valuable programs. I do not know this as fact, just trying weed out what the actual differences are. So far, I think Photoshop is faster and has more convenient layer capabilities, however, Photopaint allows full 16 bit editing and good antialiasing (sp?). I'm not sure if antialiasing is a function in photoshop, but some people wish it were a filter. In Photopaint, it's impossible to turn the antialiassing off, which is the main reason it's slower than Photoshop. All this is from research, so I have no personal experience.

I guess if you get $400 in magazines a month, you pretty much have
to clean constantly. Me? I'd hire a maid, or a girlfriend ....

Honestly, I haven't really cleaned at all since the breakup. I dont
have people over much anymore and dont really have a need to clean.
I eat every meal out so I dont use the kitchen - everything has
pretty much piled up, especially the mags. I keep them. I have
bookshelves for them and they are all in order - well, not the ones
from the past 8 months. Wow. 8 months.

Your magazines are taking over. Soon, they're going to creep into your bedroom, your bathroom, and your kitchen. I don't think your home is safe anymore.

No girlfriends. Not yet. They dont take to the Maxims,
Stuffs, and FHMs too well.

The girls around here do. They see these girls in magazines and think they have to prove that they're better. It gives them an ego trip if you stay with them. The women around here are different though....

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[markE59102]

getting refreshed, or updated on this end. Even after 30 minutes. So I didn't think my post had taken. Then I tryed to repost and remember...

Sorry!!!!!!!

This is Mark just doing his part to stay on topic. Well done.

-GFX

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[GageFX133521]

Why wasn't Photopaint part of the review?

I read that thread, and it was interesting, but you have to face reality. Either there is a massive conspiracy against Photopaint, or it isnt really as good as it's users proclaim. If it WERE, it would be moew well know, used, and reviewed.

Do you own that? Do you want to buy that? IS it something about
that software in particualr or are you looking for something that
will work for you?

Photopaint interests me because many people that are experienced
with both Photoshop and Photopaint say that Photopaint has just as
much ability as Photoshop does, is cheaper, and comes in a suite
with other valuable programs. I do not know this as fact, just
trying weed out what the actual differences are. So far, I think
Photoshop is faster and has more convenient layer capabilities,
however, Photopaint allows full 16 bit editing and good
antialiasing (sp?). I'm not sure if antialiasing is a function in
photoshop, but some people wish it were a filter. In Photopaint,
it's impossible to turn the antialiassing off, which is the main
reason it's slower than Photoshop. All this is from research, so I
have no personal experience.

I guess if you get $400 in magazines a month, you pretty much have
to clean constantly. Me? I'd hire a maid, or a girlfriend ....

Honestly, I haven't really cleaned at all since the breakup. I dont
have people over much anymore and dont really have a need to clean.
I eat every meal out so I dont use the kitchen - everything has
pretty much piled up, especially the mags. I keep them. I have
bookshelves for them and they are all in order - well, not the ones
from the past 8 months. Wow. 8 months.

Your magazines are taking over. Soon, they're going to creep into
your bedroom, your bathroom, and your kitchen. I don't think your
home is safe anymore.

No girlfriends. Not yet. They dont take to the Maxims,
Stuffs, and FHMs too well.

The girls around here do. They see these girls in magazines and
think they have to prove that they're better. It gives them an ego
trip if you stay with them. The women around here are different
though....

I dont know eher you live, but around here (L.A.), the hottest chicks are the most insecure. And the magzines are a minor thing. If they cant understand they are a business reference, then they already have issues. (And they are business references. I have many dozens of mags that I have nevr even opened but they are there for reference if needed.) The biggest problem, though is with girlfriends trying to handle my work. They just cant handle me being with beautiful girls all the time. Now that I'm single, I find even models cant handle dating a photographer without getting jealous. Whatev. Just get a grip.

-GageFX

 

[markE59102]

Why wasn't Photopaint part of the review?

I read that thread, and it was interesting, but you have to face
reality. Either there is a massive conspiracy against Photopaint,
or it isnt really as good as it's users proclaim. If it WERE, it
would be moew well know, used, and reviewed.

I've only used PS (6,7) and Elements. Never tried Photopaint, but I've always been curious.

I find even models cant handle dating a photographer without getting
jealous.

A woman's a woman, no matter where she's from or what she does for a living.

(My daily words of wisdom of the opposite sex, from the "other" single guy.)

--
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[GageFX133521]

would be moew well know, used, and reviewed.

What the hell's a "moew"?

-GageFX

 

[David M.]

I think Mark may be cheating on Zoomer.....with a pussy (cat).

would be moew well know, used, and reviewed.

What the hell's a "moew"?

-GageFX

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[Gerald M. Payne]

I dont know eher you live, but around here (L.A.), the hottest
chicks are the most insecure. And the magzines are a minor thing.
If they cant understand they are a business reference, then they
already have issues. (And they are business references. I have many
dozens of mags that I have nevr even opened but they are there for
reference if needed.) The biggest problem, though is with
girlfriends trying to handle my work. They just cant handle me
being with beautiful girls all the time. Now that I'm single, I
find even models cant handle dating a photographer without getting
jealous. Whatev. Just get a grip.

-GageFX

Well, it's occasionally been painfully obvious that I know next to nothing about women(heck, it seems they're often far from certain), but it occurs to me that dating your stylist/makeup artist might be the simplest way out -at least she could "keep an eye on you", and as a bonus "nooners" should require far less coordination. You need to find a gorgeous(optional, but preferred?), yet insecure model who really wants to become a makeup artist/stylist. OTOH, 24/7 might drive even a sane man crazy -let alone you. ;-)

 

[Cleave]

I guess some people like to waste bandwidth.

Yes I do. Engineers HATE that. (That isnt a dig, that's a fact.)

Who are you calling an engineer!?

I find it
ABSOLUTELY important to put the blame where it belongs - ON THE
TROLLS. So often the focus gets put on the person that is fed up
with it and responds, and the focus is taken off the actual
offender. The responders add to the mess, but focus on the problem.

My view on trolls, trolling, and responders is although the "blame" should end up on the troll, the threads end up being like nuclear (can you say nuclear?) war -- except on a MUCH smaller scale -- in the end, no matter who started it, nobody wins.

And I'm glad you
decided to share and it pleases me to no end that many try to make
a conscious effort not to post in my thread. Makes me feel warm
inside.

GageFX, all flattery aside, I spend less time ignoring your posts than others. ;-) Now as for your responses to other posts...

I'll send you an e-mail regarding the studio gathering.
--
Thanks.

Cleave

 

[GageFX133521]

Well, it's occasionally been painfully obvious that I know next to
nothing about women(heck, it seems they're often far from certain),
but it occurs to me that dating your stylist/makeup artist might be
the simplest way out -at least she could "keep an eye on you", and
as a bonus "nooners" should require far less coordination. You
need to find a gorgeous(optional, but preferred?), yet insecure
model who really wants to become a makeup artist/stylist. OTOH,
24/7 might drive even a sane man crazy -let alone you. ;-)

That is an absolutely great idea but it doesnt work. They're too nuts. I'm a former makeup artist - certified 11 years ago but haven't had paid makeup work in many years. V and I decided that I would send here to school so she could be my makeup artist and then she'd have a decent job working with me and she'd be there all the time. She was already assisting for me, but she was interested in makeup. It all blew up before we made it to that point. Oh well. I actually became a makeup artist because I was dating a model and thought it would be fun. She and I broke up a week into my class. Lesson - just say "no" to significant others being a makeup artist.

(Said former girlfriend went on talk shows as the "next supermodel", had contracts all around the world, started hanging with idiot old friends after our breakup, did too much drugs, got down to 110 lbs @ 6'1", ended up losing all here contracts and representation, she is now working graveyard shift in a liquor store in a little town in the desert, married 3 times to an abusive guy and has several kids (3 at last count).) I just hppe she's happy.

-GageFX