Replacing Hackintosh with M1 Pro or Max?

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Hey all,

I’ve been running a Hackintosh machine for years, but I am now at the point where I can no longer update my OS from High Sierra without new hardware, and I’d really like to update LR and PS from 2020 to 2022.

At the time I built my Hackintosh, I was doing a lot of freelance video editing from home. My career as an editor has gotten to the point where the vast majority of the time, the studio provides my equipment, so video editing is less of a concern for me than it used to be, but it’s still something I will need to do occasionally with my own machine on smaller projects. I also record music in Ableton Live and Logic Pro. At the moment I shoot a 24 MP a7iii but will probably get a new camera within 2 years.

LR starts to lag a lot with more than 4 local adjustments, at which point it becomes borderline unusable. C1 runs pretty smoothly even when I use all of the layers, so I do more detailed raw work in C1.

I do a lot of my heavy editing in Photoshop with dozens of layers and smart objects. Most of my files wind up being too big to save as a PSD or TIFF so I use PSBs. I work in 16 bit.

The most time consuming work that I do in PS involves dodging and burning by hand with my Wacom, often in conjunction with luminosity mask selections via Lumenzia. This works fine and acceptably quickly for the most part. I also use frequently separation for certain kinds of skin retouching, fly away hair removal and complex object removal. Sometimes I will also do some local color correction with gradient maps and selective color to fix color casts in preparation for grading. After I am done with dodging and burning, frequency separation, and color correction, I turn all of my retouch layers into a smart object so that I can apply filters nondestructively but go back and edit my retouch within the smart object as needed, save the retouch layers in the smart object and then have them update in the master doc. This is a big part of my workflow but creating and updating the smart object is very slow. After I create the smart object, I use camera raw and liquify as smart filters and then I stack a bunch of adjustment layers and luminosity masks on top of that to color grade. Ultimately, I use Lumenzia to apply local sharpening and then send the finished edit to Greg Benz’s web sharpener for output sharpening and grain. That’s the workflow for 95% of my images.

In PS, select and mask is also slow and very buggy at times, saving large documents takes a very long time, content aware fill is very slow, using Lumenzia for sharpening is slow, and sending edits to web sharpener is pretty slow as well. Being able to create luminosity selections with Lumenzia could certainly be faster and would save me a chunk of time. As mentioned, working with smart objects is excruciatingly slow, and I would really like to see some meaningful improvement there since they are so crucial in my workflow. I also want access to some of the new masking features in PS and LR, lens profiles for my newer lenses, better local adjustment responsiveness in raw, and the improved color grading features in Camera Raw. I am thinking about purchasing Topaz denoise, but I shoot at lower ISOs most of the time.

If I do get a laptop, it will be used as a desktop with a bunch of stuff plugged into it the vast majority of the time. I have thought about just moving to Windows, but even when I’ve had to use PCs for work every day for months and months, I still can’t really get used to the OS.

These are the specs of my current machine.

Internals

i4770k processor

GTX 770 4GB graphics card

32GB Ram

Samsung 512 GB SSD system drive

3x 4TB internal spinning SATA drives

Externals

2x 8TB external USB 3 drives

1x 5TB USB 3 drive

Focusrite 18i20 USB audio interface

1440p primary monitor that uses a dual DVI connection

Cheap ancient 1080p monitor that I just use for bins, folders, etc. to clear screen real estate.

Wacom small tablet for dodging and burning

Logitech gaming mouse that requires a powered USB connection

Macally keyboard

So, do you think an M1 pro with 32GB ram would be a significant performance boost for LR, C1 and Photoshop? Should I spring for the max? Should I just hang in there and see what the new iMacs look like? I assume I am going to need a bunch of dongles to plug everything in.
 
1440p primary monitor that uses a dual DVI connection
DVI is pretty much dead these days, having been replaced by DisplayPort and HDMI. It is pretty easy to find adapters from either of those to single-link DVI, but your monitor has a high enough resolution that it needs dual-link DVI.

So you're going to need an active DisplayPort to dual-link DVI adapter.

If you're planning on plugging the monitor directly into a USB4 port on a 14" or 16" M1-Pro/Max-based MacBook Pro, you'll need an USB-C to dual-link DVI adapter. If you're planning to plug the monitor into a Mini DisplayPort on a dock, you will need an mDP to dual-link DVI adapter.
Wacom small tablet for dodging and burning
You may want to check if Wacom has Apple Silicon drivers for your tablet, and if those drivers are compatible with the latest version of the OS (Monterey).

Rosetta 2 can translate a lot of Intel-only Mac applications … but it can't translate Intel-only kernel extensions, so for things that have special drivers, you need native drivers.
 
Should I just hang in there and see what the new iMacs look like?
My guess would be 27" iMacs with Retina 5K screens, M1 Pro/Max SoCs, and many of the the things that go along with them on the 14"/16" MacBook Pros, i.e..,
  • Options for 16, 32, or 64 GB of RAM – versus 8 or 16 GB on the M1
  • Stronger multi-core CPU performance than the M1
  • Stronger GPU performance than the M1
  • Ability to drive at least two large external displays
  • One or two specialized video engines
  • Three USB4 (Thunderbolt 4) ports
Current rumors say that the screens won't get larger, but that they may get mini-LED backlighting – like on the 14"/16" MBPs and some TV sets.

https://www.macrumors.com/guide/2022-imac-pro/
 
Here's an article I found on the Greg Benz Photography site with some performance comparisons of a M1-Max-based MBP to a 2018 Intel-based MBP – and a lot of other information about the machine (a review and photography application compatibility notes).

(It looks like this site is the one that sells the Lumenzia software you mentioned.)

https://gregbenzphotography.com/photography-reviews/a-photographers-review-of-the-m1-max-macbook-pro

There were some tasks for which the author noted very large gains in performance. Unfortunately, there was hardly any gain in saving smart objects – one of the things that's taking time for you.
 
I have the M1 Max 32gb, and I returned an M1 Pro with 16gb. But that was more because it was playing on my mind rather than any poor performance.

A 32gb Pro model will be more than enough yes, absolutely no need for 32 core gpu. Won’t help lightroom or photoshop at all. Might do in future if adobe ever optimise it properly. But that’s doubtful.

The performance boost will be enormous. It’s extremely fast. I’d never need more than this and I shoot 45mp images and almost always (now) work with 16bit images, so the files are almost always over 2gb with 10 plus layers. Flies through everything.

The battery life of the Pro is also better than the Max, and while the Memory of the Max is technically faster, I think tests have shows that extreme us doesn’t even push the memory beyond 100gb/s, which is half that of the 200 gb/s of the Pro and quarter of the Max bandwidth.
 
After buying a proper professional laptop I don’t think I’ll ever buy another iMac. I really enjoy being able to sit on the sofa and edit casually and then plug in when I want to do more. Just a very flexible way to do things.

Im sure the new iMac will be stellar though. But a lot less flexible than a laptop and peripherals.

Have a look at the YouTube channel ‘art is right’ as he competes the Pro and Max performance with external displays.
 
The battery life of the Pro is also better than the Max, and while the Memory of the Max is technically faster, I think tests have shows that extreme us doesn’t even push the memory beyond 100gb/s, which is half that of the 200 gb/s of the Pro and quarter of the Max bandwidth.
I believe that Anandtech was able to get the M1 Max CPU cores to use a bit over 200 GB per second and the GPU cores to use around 90 GB per second.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/17024/apple-m1-max-performance-review/2

The speculation is that you need to engage several processing engines (CPU, GPU, ANE, and/or video engines) at the same time to fully utilize the 400 GB per second. So if you don't need 64 GB of RAM, the fastest GPU, a wall of monitors, or two video engines, the M1 Pro will probably do just about as good a job as the M1 Max.

(Most applications that can use GPU, ANE, or video engine acceleration aren't so clever as to divide up work between several types of specialized processors at the same time.)
 
Here's an article I found on the Greg Benz Photography site with some performance comparisons of a M1-Max-based MBP to a 2018 Intel-based MBP – and a lot of other information about the machine (a review and photography application compatibility notes).

(It looks like this site is the one that sells the Lumenzia software you mentioned.)

https://gregbenzphotography.com/photography-reviews/a-photographers-review-of-the-m1-max-macbook-pro

There were some tasks for which the author noted very large gains in performance. Unfortunately, there was hardly any gain in saving smart objects – one of the things that's taking time for you.
This is great, thanks! I wish I could run his G Bench plugin on my machine, but I'm stuck on CC 2020.

Greg definitely knows his stuff, and he seems to be suggesting that smart objects and file saving only use a single core. Even though my i4770k CPU (from 2013!) only has 4 cores, the clock speed is 3.5 Ghz. Since the M1 Pro/Max is 3.2 Ghz, is it possible that I would actually lose some speed on those tasks?
 
Even though my i4770k CPU (from 2013!) only has 4 cores, the clock speed is 3.5 Ghz. Since the M1 Pro/Max is 3.2 Ghz, is it possible that I would actually lose some speed on those tasks?
Nothing that you would ever notice. . .

If you aren't in a hurry it is likely that the Mac Mini is going to get the M1 Max/Pro makeover sooner than later. I don't see the point of paying more for an MBP if it is never/rarely going to be used as a portable computer. After reading your post I would be surprised if you ever disconnect an MBP from all of those peripherals. ;-)
 
You’ll gain enormous speed in those tasks, not lose speed. A computers speed has nearly nothing to go with the clock speed of the processor.

Modern processors don’t go much beyond the ghz of those ten years back but are so much quicker. I assume to do with smaller dyes meaning more processing units per core etc. quicker memory, lots more cache etc.

3.5 is like 35.0 ghz now 😂
 
You’ll gain enormous speed in those tasks, not lose speed. A computers speed has nearly nothing to go with the clock speed of the processor.
Good point! I forgot that we were talking about Apple Silicon vs. Intel. . . LOL
 
Does anyone know of any benchmarks for PS, LR or C1 that I could run on my dinosaur and compare against any of these new laptops?
 
Pugetbench for photoshop. You’d have to search for the M1 comparison online. Can’t remember the scores
 

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