R5X sensor?

[RLight]

https://global.canon/en/news/2025/20250122.html

8K oversampled from binned 12K, and 12K RAW from binned 410MP, is what I just heard...

Also, this may be a R1 body with a Dual DIGIC VA, and even then, may be limited to something like 10FPS, or less as 410MP, is a lot of data after all to digest.

Again this is all conjecture. But Canon didn't just wake up and say, I'm gonna make a 410MP sensor. Could be industrial grade though, never making it to consumers...

 

[Ephemeris]

https://global.canon/en/news/2025/20250122.html

8K oversampled from binned 12K, and 12K RAW from binned 410MP, is what I just heard...

Also, this may be a R1 body with a Dual DIGIC VA, and even then, may be limited to something like 10FPS, or less as 410MP, is a lot of data after all to digest.

Again this is all conjecture. But Canon didn't just wake up and say, I'm gonna make a 410MP sensor. Could be industrial grade though, never making it to consumers...

What's a DIGIC VA RLight?

I'm assuming this is a development of the 250MP system they have and sell to 3rd parties. Didn't they show it taking images of football spectators to be able to identify a large percentage of the crowd from a single image?

 

[RLight]

https://global.canon/en/news/2025/20250122.html

8K oversampled from binned 12K, and 12K RAW from binned 410MP, is what I just heard...

Also, this may be a R1 body with a Dual DIGIC VA, and even then, may be limited to something like 10FPS, or less as 410MP, is a lot of data after all to digest.

Again this is all conjecture. But Canon didn't just wake up and say, I'm gonna make a 410MP sensor. Could be industrial grade though, never making it to consumers...

What's a DIGIC VA RLight?

I'm assuming this is a development of the 250MP system they have and sell to 3rd parties. Didn't they show it taking images of football spectators to be able to identify a large percentage of the crowd from a single image?

Just the same technical papers you read. My hypothesis on the matter is DIGIC VA is a quad core CPU with parallel acceleration. They’re already multithreaded at this point.

I believe the patent does call out consumers, in this case btw. Something about people wanting to crop details? Sounds like a consumer workflow to me.

 

[Ephemeris]

https://global.canon/en/news/2025/20250122.html

8K oversampled from binned 12K, and 12K RAW from binned 410MP, is what I just heard...

Also, this may be a R1 body with a Dual DIGIC VA, and even then, may be limited to something like 10FPS, or less as 410MP, is a lot of data after all to digest.

Again this is all conjecture. But Canon didn't just wake up and say, I'm gonna make a 410MP sensor. Could be industrial grade though, never making it to consumers...

What's a DIGIC VA RLight?

I'm assuming this is a development of the 250MP system they have and sell to 3rd parties. Didn't they show it taking images of football spectators to be able to identify a large percentage of the crowd from a single image?

Just the same technical papers you read. My hypothesis on the matter is DIGIC VA is a quad core CPU with parallel acceleration. They’re already multithreaded at this point.

I'm still confused. Is this something you think they may make? Why have we skipped to a version 5 accelerator?

I believe the patent does call out consumers, in this case btw. Something about people wanting to crop details? Sounds like a consumer workflow to me.

The 250MP said the same. I think that was linked to surveillance but it's not clear.

Not sure why the dimensions / format has changed from the 250.

Ultra-High 250MP Resolution

Ultra-High 250MP Resolution

asia.canon

 

[KiloHotelphoto]

That's a commercial use sensor that will not go into a RF body.

 

[Ephemeris]

https://global.canon/en/news/2025/20250122.html

8K oversampled from binned 12K, and 12K RAW from binned 410MP, is what I just heard...

Also, this may be a R1 body with a Dual DIGIC VA, and even then, may be limited to something like 10FPS, or less as 410MP, is a lot of data after all to digest.

Again this is all conjecture. But Canon didn't just wake up and say, I'm gonna make a 410MP sensor. Could be industrial grade though, never making it to consumers...

Artray who produced microscope and scientific cameras amongst others have a 410MP already listed which is this model.

ARTCAM-8030-USB3

 

[Andy01]

Don't think so.

This is a commercial / industrial sensor to be used in surveillance, medical etc applications where extreme detail is required. It isn't for consumer cameras apparently.

What makes it different from other ultra-high-res sensors is that it is the first 35mm sensor.

 

[RLight]

https://global.canon/en/news/2025/20250122.html

8K oversampled from binned 12K, and 12K RAW from binned 410MP, is what I just heard...

Also, this may be a R1 body with a Dual DIGIC VA, and even then, may be limited to something like 10FPS, or less as 410MP, is a lot of data after all to digest.

Again this is all conjecture. But Canon didn't just wake up and say, I'm gonna make a 410MP sensor. Could be industrial grade though, never making it to consumers...

What's a DIGIC VA RLight?

I'm assuming this is a development of the 250MP system they have and sell to 3rd parties. Didn't they show it taking images of football spectators to be able to identify a large percentage of the crowd from a single image?

Just the same technical papers you read. My hypothesis on the matter is DIGIC VA is a quad core CPU with parallel acceleration. They’re already multithreaded at this point.

I'm still confused. Is this something you think they may make? Why have we skipped to a version 5 accelerator?

That's a really good question. Canon's own literature describes the DIGIC8 as dual-core or double DIGIC7, which suggests multiple cores. DIGICX likewise is double that. Now was DIGIC6/7 itself already 2 or more cores? Good question, that I don't know. However that would suggest 4+ cores are present on DIGICX, it's probably an ARM of some kind if I had to bet lunch as the core progression does seem to align with industry ARM progression when you correlate DIGIC progress vs ARM. If I were betting lunch? DIGIC8 is in fact a quad core, say A53 or similar variant, and DIGICX is A55, probably 8 core.

Now that VA? Could be a custom GPU, or near cache of some form, seems to align with GPU-like acceleration.

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Now this is all conjecture that happens to align with what technical white papers for DIGIC got published with what details, and when. But those facts just happen to fit. Canon however could be doing something completely different for all we know, they certainly have the bandwidth as this is a bunch that makes their own sensors, no small feat these days where others outsource. All to say if I were betting lunch? But, no bet.

I believe the patent does call out consumers, in this case btw. Something about people wanting to crop details? Sounds like a consumer workflow to me.

The 250MP said the same. I think that was linked to surveillance but it's not clear.

Not sure why the dimensions / format has changed from the 250.

https://asia.canon/en/campaign/cmos-image-sensors/ultra-high-250mp/ultra-high-250mp-resolution

 

[RLight]

Don't think so.

This is a commercial / industrial sensor to be used in surveillance, medical etc applications where extreme detail is required. It isn't for consumer cameras apparently.

What makes it different from other ultra-high-res sensors is that it is the first 35mm sensor.

Canon has previously demonstrated proof of concept bodies based on these high density 35mm sensors before, most recent a 120mp model, they just never got produced to your point for consumers. Not to say it can’t happen.

Now this is a speciality sensor, yes. But, so is the R1.

 

[Ephemeris]

https://global.canon/en/news/2025/20250122.html

8K oversampled from binned 12K, and 12K RAW from binned 410MP, is what I just heard...

Also, this may be a R1 body with a Dual DIGIC VA, and even then, may be limited to something like 10FPS, or less as 410MP, is a lot of data after all to digest.

Again this is all conjecture. But Canon didn't just wake up and say, I'm gonna make a 410MP sensor. Could be industrial grade though, never making it to consumers...

What's a DIGIC VA RLight?

I'm assuming this is a development of the 250MP system they have and sell to 3rd parties. Didn't they show it taking images of football spectators to be able to identify a large percentage of the crowd from a single image?

Just the same technical papers you read. My hypothesis on the matter is DIGIC VA is a quad core CPU with parallel acceleration. They’re already multithreaded at this point.

I'm still confused. Is this something you think they may make? Why have we skipped to a version 5 accelerator?

That's a really good question. Canon's own literature describes the DIGIC8 as dual-core or double DIGIC7, which suggests multiple cores. DIGICX likewise is double that. Now was DIGIC6/7 itself already 2 or more cores? Good question, that I don't know. However that would suggest 4+ cores are present on DIGICX, it's probably an ARM of some kind if I had to bet lunch as the core progression does seem to align with industry ARM progression when you correlate DIGIC progress vs ARM. If I were betting lunch? DIGIC8 is in fact a quad core, say A53 or similar variant, and DIGICX is A55, probably 8 core.

Now that VA? Could be a custom GPU, or near cache of some form, seems to align with GPU-like acceleration.

I've never heard of a VA. Is this something you read somewhere or creates?

We currently have in the r52 and R1 a version of the DIGIC X and we also have a version of the DIGIC Accelerator - where does the VA fit?

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Now this is all conjecture that happens to align with what technical white papers for DIGIC got published with what details, and when. But those facts just happen to fit. Canon however could be doing something completely different for all we know, they certainly have the bandwidth as this is a bunch that makes their own sensors, no small feat these days where others outsource. All to say if I were betting lunch? But, no bet.

I've never really found any good resources describing the DIGIC ASICS. The medical research part of the group develop there own ASICs and of course the semiconductor manufacturing equipment. I don't think I've ever even seen a photo of the die in a DiGiC asic. They keep it all a mystery.

I believe the patent does call out consumers, in this case btw. Something about people wanting to crop details? Sounds like a consumer workflow to me.

The 250MP said the same. I think that was linked to surveillance but it's not clear.

Not sure why the dimensions / format has changed from the 250.

https://asia.canon/en/campaign/cmos-image-sensors/ultra-high-250mp/ultra-high-250mp-resolution

 

[Andy01]

Don't think so.

This is a commercial / industrial sensor to be used in surveillance, medical etc applications where extreme detail is required. It isn't for consumer cameras apparently.

What makes it different from other ultra-high-res sensors is that it is the first 35mm sensor.

Canon has previously demonstrated proof of concept bodies based on these high density 35mm sensors before, most recent a 120mp model, they just never got produced to your point for consumers. Not to say it can’t happen.

Now this is a speciality sensor, yes. But, so is the R1.

I am not suggesting that the announcement I saw online was absolutely correct, but it did say that this sensor was NOT for consumer cameras, but rather only for commercial applications.

Since it is a "standard" 35mm FF size, technically it could find itself into a future camera as long as there is not a bunch of other requirements or limitations - such as power consumption, cooling, data processing grunt etc

 

[Ephemeris]

Don't think so.

This is a commercial / industrial sensor to be used in surveillance, medical etc applications where extreme detail is required. It isn't for consumer cameras apparently.

What makes it different from other ultra-high-res sensors is that it is the first 35mm sensor.

Canon has previously demonstrated proof of concept bodies based on these high density 35mm sensors before, most recent a 120mp model, they just never got produced to your point for consumers. Not to say it can’t happen.

Are you sure this isn't the APS-H 120MP? The eval kit is here.

https://canon-cmos-sensors.com/120mxs-120mp-cmos-sensor-evaluation-kit/

They also placed it in a cube like body, green, perhaps additive printed was hard to tell.

Jlr have the dev kit with this sensor.

Miti-cam I think is the name.

https://www.criticallink.com/wp-content/uploads/MityCAM-120MXS_datasheet.pdf

Now this is a speciality sensor, yes. But, so is the R1.

 

[Ephemeris]

Don't think so.

This is a commercial / industrial sensor to be used in surveillance, medical etc applications where extreme detail is required. It isn't for consumer cameras apparently.

What makes it different from other ultra-high-res sensors is that it is the first 35mm sensor.

Canon has previously demonstrated proof of concept bodies based on these high density 35mm sensors before, most recent a 120mp model, they just never got produced to your point for consumers. Not to say it can’t happen.

Now this is a speciality sensor, yes. But, so is the R1.

I am not suggesting that the announcement I saw online was absolutely correct, but it did say that this sensor was NOT for consumer cameras, but rather only for commercial applications.

Since it is a "standard" 35mm FF size, technically it could find itself into a future camera as long as there is not a bunch of other requirements or limitations - such as power consumption, cooling, data processing grunt etc

Absolutely. The use cases look to be very similar to the 120MXS which is the 120MP RGB version. A monochrome and NIR version also available

 

[drsnoopy]

https://global.canon/en/news/2025/20250122.html

8K oversampled from binned 12K, and 12K RAW from binned 410MP, is what I just heard...

Also, this may be a R1 body with a Dual DIGIC VA, and even then, may be limited to something like 10FPS, or less as 410MP, is a lot of data after all to digest.

Again this is all conjecture. But Canon didn't just wake up and say, I'm gonna make a 410MP sensor. Could be industrial grade though, never making it to consumers...

From the article it clearly is ”industrial grade”, for special applications. So dream on, you won’t be seeing it in a conventional camera body. And the file size at 410MP would be challenging!

 

[Stig Nygaard]

Like Canon's other commercial/Industrial sensors, this is NOT a DualPixel sensor. Another reason to not ever expect it in a Canon consumer camera.

 

[SvO2]

Like Canon's other commercial/Industrial sensors, this is NOT a DualPixel sensor. Another reason to not ever expect it in a Canon consumer camera.

 

[RLight]

Like Canon's other commercial/Industrial sensors, this is NOT a DualPixel sensor. Another reason to not ever expect it in a Canon consumer camera.

History is a good predictor. Sadly, I think you're correct, this will probably see the light of day... In a factory, a lab, and airport security checkpoint but not in a photographers hands. Maybe they'll do one of those modular cinema like offerings, but again, that's not designed for the hands of a photographer, more like a dedicated mount. Oh well.

 

[Ephemeris]

Like Canon's other commercial/Industrial sensors, this is NOT a DualPixel sensor. Another reason to not ever expect it in a Canon consumer camera.

I could see them cutting the resolution to 100MP and effectively using the 4 photosites as quad pixel af

It is leafy doing a 4:1 pixel binning.

 

[sportyaccordy]

That's a commercial use sensor that will not go into a RF body.

Yep, this volume of data makes sense hooked up to big machines that plug into an outlet. As I'm sure the price tag implies.

What the hell does the typical enthusiast need from even 8K footage. Maybe cropping/panning to 4K footage? At native resolution 8K makes no sense for typical viewing.

 

[Leigh A]

"Canon has developed a 410MP full-frame sensor, which it says is primarily designed for markets such as surveillance, medicine and industrial applications."

https://www.dpreview.com/news/1224839633/canon-teases-410mp-full-frame-but-not-for-photographers