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i just pooped in to read some threadz from "pros"

man u guys are nasty to each other and to newbies.

you all also seem to think equipment makes you a pro. i have looked at many of your sites and galleries and must confess most of it is average work. standard.

is this pro.

what happend to creativity?

one of the best wedding photo albums i have ever seen was where the pro photographer came in and gave throw away cams to a lot of the guest and asked they return them in the end.

remember the eye makes the difference, not equipment.--way
 
Deep thread you have started...is there a point?
i just pooped in to read some threadz from "pros"

man u guys are nasty to each other and to newbies.

you all also seem to think equipment makes you a pro. i have
looked at many of your sites and galleries and must confess most of
it is average work. standard.

is this pro.

what happend to creativity?

one of the best wedding photo albums i have ever seen was where the
pro photographer came in and gave throw away cams to a lot of the
guest and asked they return them in the end.

remember the eye makes the difference, not equipment.
--
way
--Ron Gee
 
Well gee Wayne. Merry Christmas to you too. Let me guess, I'll bet you asked for a troll doll this year.
what happend to creativity?
I don't know...perhaps it's vanishing like your communication skills are.
remember the eye makes the difference, not equipment.
Thank you Ansel. I'll write that down on each piece of equipment that I own so I don't forget it.

Please don't be a stranger. Maybe next time you can post some more of your sage advice. Perhaps I'll send you a spoon so you can stir up an already troubled forum. Ron Gee recently posted that it wasn't my place to label anyone and he is 100 percent correct. (I'm working on it Ron). You however come in here with your editorial type post on people's work and also an attack on their character. You then say,"you guys are really mean, don't play nice and are not polite to people and you make me want to cry". Go figure...huh. Well okay, I'll be nice. As I said, please don't be a stranger and feel free to come in any time you want. If you have a question, I'm sure there are a lot of "average" photographers with limited creativity that would be more than happy to answer your questions.
No Way
Warm regards,
John Mitchell
 
yea thats funny "popped in" i meant to say.

hey look, i am just commenting on what i have seen here for the first time reading a few threads.

face it there are people on this forum who are nasty to other posters, i wouldn't expect that from "pros".

as far as sage advice, i am not qualified to say any thing about equipment or the way someone takes a wedding pic. just that you don't need the best and most to get creative pics, that is in the eye of the artist, not in a certain lens or cam.

are you threaten by this?

in place of talking about photography as a creative venture, i guess equipment will have to do.

maybe i am in the wrong forum.
--way
 
way,

I would like to encourage you to hang around for a while. Every now and then things here get a little bit out of control. Eventually cooler heads prevail and we get back to helpful and informative discussions. I have learned many things from contributors to this forum. I have also received emails from many people thanking me for sharing my ideas and thoughts on various subjects.

I hope you have a safe and wonderful holiday season, sincerely
Greg Governale
yea thats funny "popped in" i meant to say.

hey look, i am just commenting on what i have seen here for the
first time reading a few threads.

face it there are people on this forum who are nasty to other
posters, i wouldn't expect that from "pros".

as far as sage advice, i am not qualified to say any thing about
equipment or the way someone takes a wedding pic. just that you
don't need the best and most to get creative pics, that is in the
eye of the artist, not in a certain lens or cam.

are you threaten by this?

in place of talking about photography as a creative venture, i
guess equipment will have to do.

maybe i am in the wrong forum.

--
way
 
I agree with Greg.

There are some pros in here that may be gifted in photography but are socially retarded (no people skills), hang in there though because for every idiot there are ten more that are tactfully articulate.
Dennis D--Dennis D
 
one of the best wedding photo albums i have ever seen was where the
pro photographer came in and gave throw away cams to a lot of the
guest and asked they return them in the end.
If any of those photos made it to the wedding album, the photographer wasn't that good to begin with. Those throw-aways in the hands of the sometimes drunken wedding guests are just that, throw-aways.

I would be totally embarrassment if I had to resort to using one of these shots. Not that all these shots are bad but if I can't outdo the guests with my "pro" equipment against their throw-aways, then I should get out of the business.

It is not "just" the photographer, nor is "just" the equipment but rather a combination of the two coming to gather to meet the needs of the photographer at that given time.

John
 
Why in the world would you come into a forum like this and BASH the members with the kinds of statements you made? What in the world could be your motivation?

What is your website address and where can we see some of your work?
i just pooped in to read some threadz from "pros"

man u guys are nasty to each other and to newbies.

you all also seem to think equipment makes you a pro. i have
looked at many of your sites and galleries and must confess most of
it is average work. standard.

is this pro.

what happend to creativity?

one of the best wedding photo albums i have ever seen was where the
pro photographer came in and gave throw away cams to a lot of the
guest and asked they return them in the end.

remember the eye makes the difference, not equipment.
--
way
--Frank B
 
i just pooped in to read some threadz from "pros"
HMMM!!
man u guys are nasty to each other and to newbies.
No, just you!!
you all also seem to think equipment makes you a pro. i have
looked at many of your sites and galleries and must confess most of
it is average work. standard.
Equipment doesn't make me a Pro, "I" Make me a Pro & the fact I get paid every other week to make images makes me a pro!!

Unless you get the Cabela's catalog, you've never seen my work, & my previous work is calssified, so you can't see it!!
is this pro.
I am, I don't know about you!!
what happend to creativity?
Alive & well!!
one of the best wedding photo albums i have ever seen was where the
pro photographer came in and gave throw away cams to a lot of the
guest and asked they return them in the end.
You see, I couldn't care less for wedding photography!! Waaaay too hard!!
You have to be a real Pro to do those!! I shoot inanimate objects!!
remember the eye makes the difference, not equipment.
Actually the brain works a littile too!!

Y
 
you make my point perfectly.

what would show the wedding better, candid shots by freinds of freinds, or the same ol pose in front of the alter with flowers everywhere, and then the the bride and her maids stand at the same place-same pose- same flowers...snap.

my point: is photography just about getting the "proper" focus or the "proper" lighting with the perfect equipment that sets it all up perfectly.

or can photography break out, and look like life, blured sometimes, dark sometimes, out of focus. sometimes it seems that photography as fallen victum to the very thing that it replaced which was painting. painting then was allowed to become expressive, photgraphy recorded history. it should move on.

what happens when we switch are gaze from on scene to the other? photography may be the only medium able to catch that instant. would that be real...more real then a "perfect" shot. is something out of focus more real?

sometimes i think so.

i am just noticing that i am talking from an art point of view, while some of you may make your living recording history.

i aplogize if i offened anyone, that is not my goal.
--way
 
Maybe - but in my case I've rediscovered "real" photography since moving to the D1x

I had sacrificed films and survived on a diet of digicams for the last here years – digicams dulls the mind to a large extent because of their limitations, whilst at the same time, people with absolutely no photography or camera experience, can produce effortless “professional” class results with no training at all.

Professional photographers must have a variety of skills – for instance if I organise the group at a wedding whilst my assistant selects the correct shutter speed for my chosen aperture and fires the shutter on my command – who is the photographer?

We could go on but I’d ask another question from you – what are “newbies” doing in the “pro” forum in the first place?

Some more Champaign darling – thanks!
 
I am afraid that you are in the wrong forum. This is the Nikon SLR Forum. Nowhere does that description imply that it is a discussion group for professionals. This is an equipment group. There are many pros who use the Nikon SLR system. However, anyone can use any piece of equipment. Those that want to use it better come here to share ideas and tecniques. I am a professional. I use the Nikon cameras as tools. You would not find my professional images very appealing as they are aerial images of industrial infrastucture. There is little creativity, but this is how I make my living and that is the definition of a professional.

I also use these tools to shoot creative photographs outside of my work. I have won awards and sold prints, but I still consider that to be a hobby.

If you had bothered to read the list of forums you would have seen that there is a forum entitled "PRO Digital Talk". Perhaps you should go there and try to stir up something.

Jason
 
I think you make some valid points, Way, but then again, I also believe your bedside manner may need some adjustments as well.

I am not sure the intent of this thread except maybe to stir up the crowd a little, but I do agree with you about the "being mean" part on occassion. Sometimes I don't think people are intentially mean, but I do think they sometimes come across that way. We artistic types tend to wear our feelings on our collars so sometimes an unfortunately misworded post may provoke a sometimes unwarranted emotional reply. Other times, we sometimes get defensive in justification of the multi-thousand dollar purchase we just made. Who wouldn't! Ever talk to someone who just purchased a new car and have them tell you it was junk? Of course not! We all like to think that we made a great purchase. I do agree that sometimes the Cannon/Nikon wars get out of hand.

As far as photography verses equipment goes, do keep in mind that this is not primarily a photography web site. Rather it is a photographic equipment technical web site. The forums are segragated along manufacturer or brand and most of the people coming here are looking for advice on what to purchase or how to use what they just purchased. The focus here is equipment, the photographic discussions are typically knock-offs to someone trying out a new piece of equipment or displaying what they just created with their new toys. This should be expected here.

There are many other web sites devoted to the art and profession of photography where equally emotional discussions occur. If there is one thing more difficult to objectively determine than the best piece of photo gear, it would have to be what is and what isn't a good picture. Can an out of focus image be a good photograph, I guess so, but when talking about wedding portraiture, it is probably not what most people are looking for in a wedding album most of the time. A lot of times, these images were not planned by the photographer to create any particular mood or emotion, but occurred because of poor technique or by accident -- hardly creative intention. Can a throw-away make a good image, sure but the probability is that it won't be as good as an image made with high quality equipment and a trained and experienced photographer -- even a mediocre one! Wedding photography in particular is a lot of "history" recording, but there is room for an artistic eye.

Don't be so hard on the folks here, Way. Most are hear to talk about equipment and to get advice. I think for the most part the exchanges are civil and most people try to be sincere in their questions and their responses. Sometimes it gets out of hand, but I think that is the exception.

On the other hand, we all have the option of participating or not. There is nothing that says we have to click on any thread or that we can't stop reading one once we determine that it will offend us.
 
Was this really meant for me?

I think it applies to the original poster actually. A great substance of my post was about equipment.
 
I notice you didn't have the courage to post the URL of your own web site so we can go and view your creativity - you didn't even have the courage to use you own name
yea thats funny "popped in" i meant to say.

hey look, i am just commenting on what i have seen here for the
first time reading a few threads.

face it there are people on this forum who are nasty to other
posters, i wouldn't expect that from "pros".

as far as sage advice, i am not qualified to say any thing about
equipment or the way someone takes a wedding pic. just that you
don't need the best and most to get creative pics, that is in the
eye of the artist, not in a certain lens or cam.

are you threaten by this?

in place of talking about photography as a creative venture, i
guess equipment will have to do.

maybe i am in the wrong forum.

--
way
--Carol
 
Dear Way,
I hope you're not another troll!
I am a keen amateur and just a newbie and myself in dSLR world.

Before making the jump from a point and shoot camera, I have been asking questions on this very forum as well as on the Pros forum. And I do not recall anyone being nasty to me. In fact, I have always received sound and relaxed advices and valuable pieces of info.

I do not know whether I asked the right questions or not. But, I always recived the answers I needed and in a very respectful way.
I have learned and I am learning a lot from everyone here.
So, I must contraddict all what you have said!

As for the equipment, I invite you to take a ride on a new dSLR and compare not only the feeling but also the results with what you're getting now from your point and shoot cameras. Then, pls you're invited back here for comments on your experience!

Last but not least, what's the point of yr thread? If you do not like a community, just avoid joining it.
Merry Christmas!
 
it seems that my orginal post was crossed up and landed in here. it was meant for the pro slr forum where it might make better sense because of the talk that was going on there.

in a way it's kind of funny.....anywhoooo.

lates--way
 

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