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I just purchased a powerbook and was reading a little about it on mac forums and someone mentioned not ever turning off their powerbook in the last 2 years and only restarting it 3 times. Is that OK to do? Leave it in sleep mode when not in use, even when on the go?

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Mikee
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As a fellow mac user I can tell you yep. My ibook has been on for about 2 years also. I probably have rebooted it about 5-7 times mostly because of upgrades - never software failure.

Mac are great machines for graphics. Enjoy your powerbook!
I just purchased a powerbook and was reading a little about it on
mac forums and someone mentioned not ever turning off their
powerbook in the last 2 years and only restarting it 3 times. Is
that OK to do? Leave it in sleep mode when not in use, even when
on the go?

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http://phoetic.net/photography/
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Not sure if this is the best forum for your question but I happen to own a Powerbook and use sleep all the time.

Never shutting down is actually what Apple RECOMMENDS in the manual. It's one of the benefits of Mac laptops that few people know about. The rock solid Unix based operating system basically allows you to never shutdown the computer except when updating the OS. I take my powerbook everywhere and just leave it asleep when not in use.

As far as the technical details, sleep basically shuts down everything except it leaves a trickle of power (and i mean a trickle) to preserve the contents of RAM. On a full charge, sleep will last several weeks.

So don't worry, the system is designed to be used this way (and isn't it nice never having to wait for a computer to boot up?:))
I just purchased a powerbook and was reading a little about it on
mac forums and someone mentioned not ever turning off their
powerbook in the last 2 years and only restarting it 3 times. Is
that OK to do? Leave it in sleep mode when not in use, even when
on the go?

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Mikee
http://phoetic.net/photography/
 
As a fellow mac user I can tell you yep. My ibook has been on for
about 2 years also. I probably have rebooted it about 5-7 times
mostly because of upgrades - never software failure.

Mac are great machines for graphics. Enjoy your powerbook!
I never power down my G5, I sleep it. Same for my iMac and Power Book.

Only times I turn them off are for upgrades, replacements or external power related issues (storm, bad hydro & so on).

My server runs 24/7.

Turning a system on cold can be like starting a cold car.
Reduces the life of the machine, at least that's my feeling.

A.

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André
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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I've had my powerbook for 2 years now (actually from last weekend)... and I rarely shut it down, unless i'm doing a reboot or upgrading software...

Although, Believe it or not, my powerbook battery died yesterday. It just doesn't work anymore. The laptop runs fine off of the power adapter, but it will no longer run from battery power. I even tried a friends powerbook battery in my machine to test if it was the battery, and it ran fine when i swapped.

I'm sure my battery was faulty to begin with, and i've heard a few other stories similar to mine..

The only thing I can suggest is that instead of just leaving your powerbook plugged in ALL the time, maybe every other week, let the battery drain fully until it goes into sleep, then reattach the power cable. Exercise for your battery (so to speak), enjoy the powerbook, and please, try and learn some UNIX commands, its fun in a weird geeky way.
I just purchased a powerbook and was reading a little about it on
mac forums and someone mentioned not ever turning off their
powerbook in the last 2 years and only restarting it 3 times. Is
that OK to do? Leave it in sleep mode when not in use, even when
on the go?

--
Mikee
http://phoetic.net/photography/
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I just converted to MAC from PC, so I'm slowly learning the do's and don'ts or MACs, thanks again.
Although, Believe it or not, my powerbook battery died yesterday.
It just doesn't work anymore. The laptop runs fine off of the power
adapter, but it will no longer run from battery power. I even tried
a friends powerbook battery in my machine to test if it was the
battery, and it ran fine when i swapped.
I'm sure my battery was faulty to begin with, and i've heard a few
other stories similar to mine..
The only thing I can suggest is that instead of just leaving your
powerbook plugged in ALL the time, maybe every other week, let the
battery drain fully until it goes into sleep, then reattach the
power cable. Exercise for your battery (so to speak), enjoy the
powerbook, and please, try and learn some UNIX commands, its fun in
a weird geeky way.
I just purchased a powerbook and was reading a little about it on
mac forums and someone mentioned not ever turning off their
powerbook in the last 2 years and only restarting it 3 times. Is
that OK to do? Leave it in sleep mode when not in use, even when
on the go?

--
Mikee
http://phoetic.net/photography/
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Mikee
http://phoetic.net/photography/
 
Hi, I don't have anything to add to your thread but I will also be switching to a Mac from a PC in the very near future and I'm just interested in how easy or hard the switch was for you. Any new Mac user tips you have would be great as well.

Let me know how it goes for you and good luck.

Thanks,
dmitsch
Although, Believe it or not, my powerbook battery died yesterday.
It just doesn't work anymore. The laptop runs fine off of the power
adapter, but it will no longer run from battery power. I even tried
a friends powerbook battery in my machine to test if it was the
battery, and it ran fine when i swapped.
I'm sure my battery was faulty to begin with, and i've heard a few
other stories similar to mine..
The only thing I can suggest is that instead of just leaving your
powerbook plugged in ALL the time, maybe every other week, let the
battery drain fully until it goes into sleep, then reattach the
power cable. Exercise for your battery (so to speak), enjoy the
powerbook, and please, try and learn some UNIX commands, its fun in
a weird geeky way.
I just purchased a powerbook and was reading a little about it on
mac forums and someone mentioned not ever turning off their
powerbook in the last 2 years and only restarting it 3 times. Is
that OK to do? Leave it in sleep mode when not in use, even when
on the go?

--
Mikee
http://phoetic.net/photography/
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Mikee
http://phoetic.net/photography/
 
The switch was fairly easy. I actually switched at my school computer lab as most of their computers in the art department are MACs. I must say, it does take awhile to get use to and honestly, at first I was biased and looked for ways to despise MACs, but after awhile I just stopped kidding myself and fell with it's ease and flow. People say powerbooks are overpriced, but if you were to get a pc notebook equivelant to this in terms of feature and size, you actually may end up spending more.

A good trick, if you went to college and still have your ID, you can get a discount at an apple store as a student and get 300 dollars off. My brother who graduated a few years ago just did that with no hassel at all and he also got 100 dollars off the apple care.

And one thing that I think powerbooks could improve on are the applications that come with the book. You get some good applications but I dont even have a word processor.
Let me know how it goes for you and good luck.

Thanks,
dmitsch
Although, Believe it or not, my powerbook battery died yesterday.
It just doesn't work anymore. The laptop runs fine off of the power
adapter, but it will no longer run from battery power. I even tried
a friends powerbook battery in my machine to test if it was the
battery, and it ran fine when i swapped.
I'm sure my battery was faulty to begin with, and i've heard a few
other stories similar to mine..
The only thing I can suggest is that instead of just leaving your
powerbook plugged in ALL the time, maybe every other week, let the
battery drain fully until it goes into sleep, then reattach the
power cable. Exercise for your battery (so to speak), enjoy the
powerbook, and please, try and learn some UNIX commands, its fun in
a weird geeky way.
I just purchased a powerbook and was reading a little about it on
mac forums and someone mentioned not ever turning off their
powerbook in the last 2 years and only restarting it 3 times. Is
that OK to do? Leave it in sleep mode when not in use, even when
on the go?

--
Mikee
http://phoetic.net/photography/
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Mikee
http://phoetic.net/photography/
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Mikee
http://phoetic.net/photography/
 
I don't shut it down. I just let it sleep. It has been with me since April and I only restart after every software upgrade.

Congratulations on your new PowerBook.

Al
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One Big Fight!
 
That's good to know about the student discount. I'm no longer in school, but my sister is. Maybe I can get her to buy it for me.

I will be looking at a powerbook as well but I think I'll wait until Tiger is released with the powerbook so I don't have to ungrade in a few months.

While at home I'll just use my 19" CRT along with the powerbooks screen when working in Photoshop. It will be nice to have one screen only for pallets and one for the photos I'm working on. Someday I would like to upgrade to one of the bigger Apple flat screens. I was in the Apple store the other day looking at them and they are amazing.

Thanks and keep me posted on your switchover progress.

dmitsch
A good trick, if you went to college and still have your ID, you
can get a discount at an apple store as a student and get 300
dollars off. My brother who graduated a few years ago just did
that with no hassel at all and he also got 100 dollars off the
apple care.

And one thing that I think powerbooks could improve on are the
applications that come with the book. You get some good
applications but I dont even have a word processor.
Let me know how it goes for you and good luck.

Thanks,
dmitsch
Although, Believe it or not, my powerbook battery died yesterday.
It just doesn't work anymore. The laptop runs fine off of the power
adapter, but it will no longer run from battery power. I even tried
a friends powerbook battery in my machine to test if it was the
battery, and it ran fine when i swapped.
I'm sure my battery was faulty to begin with, and i've heard a few
other stories similar to mine..
The only thing I can suggest is that instead of just leaving your
powerbook plugged in ALL the time, maybe every other week, let the
battery drain fully until it goes into sleep, then reattach the
power cable. Exercise for your battery (so to speak), enjoy the
powerbook, and please, try and learn some UNIX commands, its fun in
a weird geeky way.
I just purchased a powerbook and was reading a little about it on
mac forums and someone mentioned not ever turning off their
powerbook in the last 2 years and only restarting it 3 times. Is
that OK to do? Leave it in sleep mode when not in use, even when
on the go?

--
Mikee
http://phoetic.net/photography/
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--
Mikee
http://phoetic.net/photography/
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Mikee
http://phoetic.net/photography/
 
A long time PC person and Mac non-lover here. :) No doubt about it, it's a change, but certain things like Photoshop run really well on it, versus even my much more powerful PC. PS is heavily rooted in MAC and you can tell they've learned from their experiences and optimized it very well.

The sleep thing is news to me, but sounds good to me. :) Guess I'll give it a try.

To the guy thinking of crossing over, it won't hurt. If you enjoy learning new things and getting deep into something like an OS, go for it. It's all very interesting to me and you'll start to understand why things are done the way they are. It's a REALLY pretty OS, even if you hate it! :)

MAC = Class, no doubt.

Scott
 
As far as the technical details, sleep basically shuts down
everything except it leaves a trickle of power (and i mean a
trickle) to preserve the contents of RAM. On a full charge, sleep
will last several weeks.
Caution -- that depends on the model, and on how much RAM you have. Some of my older PowerBooks could sleep for weeks on battery, but my TiBook 667 with 768MB of RAM drains at least 10% of its charge during 24 hours of sleep. I think the number may actually be higher, but I haven't checked lately -- I tend to leave it plugged in most of the time, because there's no point in cycling the battery unnecessarily.
So don't worry, the system is designed to be used this way (and
isn't it nice never having to wait for a computer to boot up?:))
Instant wake is perhaps my very favorite thing about OS X.

Uptime: 207 days. I really must do a software update soon -- there've been a lot of fixes released in the last, um, seven months... :-)
 
I also love my PC, but there's just something about a MAC that is just so darn cool, can't quite put my finger on it. And you can't beat that it looks a hell of a lot betten than most other bulky notebook books out there.
A long time PC person and Mac non-lover here. :) No doubt about
it, it's a change, but certain things like Photoshop run really
well on it, versus even my much more powerful PC. PS is heavily
rooted in MAC and you can tell they've learned from their
experiences and optimized it very well.

The sleep thing is news to me, but sounds good to me. :) Guess
I'll give it a try.

To the guy thinking of crossing over, it won't hurt. If you enjoy
learning new things and getting deep into something like an OS, go
for it. It's all very interesting to me and you'll start to
understand why things are done the way they are. It's a REALLY
pretty OS, even if you hate it! :)

MAC = Class, no doubt.

Scott
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Mikee
http://phoetic.net/photography/
 
Any new Mac
user tips you have would be great as well.
i too used to dispise macs.. but that was out of ignorance.. i've now been trouble free (aka windows free) since beginning of 2002 (almost 2 years now).. it was really being based on unix that did it for me.. everything else is just (a whole lot of) icing on the cake.

anyway while we're still O/T.. this probably isn't earth shattering but here's a nice collection of keystrokes i've put together and found to be useful. I find it helps increase your productivity (and are just plain neat).. in general, anything you may have done on windows with the control key is done almost always the same way, but with the command key (the one with a little apple/flower on it) instead of control (i.e. ctrl+c = cmd+c, etc)
List of keystrokes to help you get the most out of your mac..
  1. application switching keystrokes
opt+click on icon (of running app) in dock = hide app in front of app clicked on dock
opt+click inside different app = hide app in front of app click on
opt+cmd+click on dock = hide all other apps
opt+cmd+click inside app = hide all other apps
  1. dialog specific keystrokes
cmd+d (in open dialog) = open desktop
cmd+d (in save/discard/cancel dialog) = discard
  1. mac controlling keystrokes
cmd+opt+eject = sleep
cmd+ctrl+eject = graceful restart
cmd+opt+ctrl+eject = graceful shutdown

cmd+ctrl+power = immediate restart (dangerous, should only be used if your system is frozen though we know how rare that is)
  1. navigational keystrokes
opt+scrollbar = jump to exact scrollbar location
opt+scrollbar arrows = scroll page at a time (page up/down)
  1. window manipulation keystrokes
shift+minimize button = slow motion minimize (works in un-minimize direction too)
opt+minimize button = minimize all windows (of current app)
opt+close button = closes all windows (of current app)

cmd+drag on title bar = move any window around without changing focus to it first
  1. general app keystrokes
cmd+q = quit
cmd+o = open file
cmd+i = get info (on current selected object/file/dir)
cmd+n = new window/document
cmd+s = save
cmd+m = minimize
cmd+h = hide app

cmd+opt+h = hide OTHER apps (useful to show desktop if you cmd+tab to finder first - thanks go to Zeca Moraes)
  1. app switching keystrokes
cmd+tab = toggle back to previous app
cmd+tab then q (while still holding cmd) = close other app (w/o switching to it)
cmd+tab then h (while still holding cmd) = hide other app (w/o switching to it)
  1. screen shots
cmd+shift+3 = take a screenshot (at any time) of the entire screen
cmd+shift+4 = draw selection for a screenshot
  1. finder specific keystrokes
cmd+down = open
cmd+up = up to parent dir (cd ..)
cmd+double-click folder icon = open in new window

opt+drag file/folder = explicit copy (when it may possibly move instead if destation and source are on same volume)

cmd+drag file/folder = explicit move (when it may possibly move instead if destation and source are on different volume)
cmd+opt+drag file/folder = create link
cmd+i = get info (on current selected object/file/dir)
cmd+shift+A = open Application Folder
cmd+shift+U = open Utility Folder
cmd+shift+H = open Home Folder
cmd+shift+G = go to DIR
cmd+shift+N = create new folder and name it something
cmd+shift+K = go to network
cmd+~ = cycle window (including desktop)
  1. dock specific keystrokes
cmd+drag icon (to/through dock) = keeps icons on dock from moving "out of the way" (useful for when dragging stuff to trash)
cmd+opt+d = hide/show dock (should work practically in any app)
  1. terminal specific keystroke
cmd+double-click on a URL in Terminal = url grab / open in default browser (way cool for text-based chat channels :-)
cmd+left/right arrow = switch windows
cmd+1 or 2 or 3.. = switch to 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc window

--------- this list put together by cynikal.. for more corrections and contributions, please email me at [email protected]
hope this is helpful.. i give this list to all my friends who i get into macs.. hope you can benefit from it as well.
  • cynikal ( the powerbook firmware hacker )
 
I just purchased a powerbook and was reading a little about it on
mac forums and someone mentioned not ever turning off their
powerbook in the last 2 years and only restarting it 3 times. Is
that OK to do? Leave it in sleep mode when not in use, even when
on the go?
this is usually one of the first common questions people who switch to macs from pc ask.. i know, i asked the same question..

the answer is a resounding yes (as if everyone else chiming in wasn't enough), but let me examine for a moment the reason i think a lot of people even ask this question (and i'll try not to start a holy os war)..

my thought on this is that, using a pc is a different mind state than using a mac.. pardon me while i go on my high horse but with a pc (i still have to use them at work once in a while), you are kind of along for the ride and sometimes even need to jump through hoops to get the pc to do what you want/need.. you have to fiddle with it, coerce it even.

then when people start using macs, it's such a different philosophy.. all of a sudden you're in control and the mac is there to do what YOU want (not the other way around).. and this is new to many people (myself included).. it's quite a stark contrast when you think about it.. after a while you'll see it too

that's why when people see this sleep feature they're thinking, neat but wait there has to be a catch (there always used to be).. welp i'm happy to say nope... it actually works as advertised.. imagine that :)

anyway i apologize for rambling.. i just had these thoughts in my head and felt the need to share them before i forgot them and my mind moved on to the next thought.. maybe i should start a blog or something heh.
 
Caution -- that depends on the model, and on how much RAM you have.
Some of my older PowerBooks could sleep for weeks on battery, but
my TiBook 667 with 768MB of RAM drains at least 10% of its charge
during 24 hours of sleep. I think the number may actually be
higher, but I haven't checked lately -- I tend to leave it plugged
in most of the time, because there's no point in cycling the
battery unnecessarily.
A funny thing happened a few months ago: my power adapter died in the middle of an important school project so I rushed to get everything done before my battery ran out. I was not quite finished when the battery hit 0% and the computer went to sleep shortly thereafter. This was on a Sunday morning. I got a replacement adapter under warranty the following afternoon, plugged her in, and continued working on my project right where I left off. Over 24 hours sleeping at 0%. (I've got a 12" Powerbook with 640mb Ram)

Apple actually recommends cycling the battery at least once a month (at least once a week would be better) for optimal performance. The types of batteries in most laptops last longer when they are periodically excercised.
 
For those of you who are planning on purchasing a mac computer in the near future, please check out these two sites: http://www.macrumors.com and http://www.maccentral.com . both are great sites, but Macrumors.com is especially handy because they usually keep on top of when the product lines will be updated or refreshed. Meaning, instead of buying a machine now and then finding out two weeks later, that they upgraded the line and reduced the price, you can avoid that. (It happened to me, and they wouldn't take a refund, or exchange).

Check those sites out!
I just purchased a powerbook and was reading a little about it on
mac forums and someone mentioned not ever turning off their
powerbook in the last 2 years and only restarting it 3 times. Is
that OK to do? Leave it in sleep mode when not in use, even when
on the go?
this is usually one of the first common questions people who switch
to macs from pc ask.. i know, i asked the same question..

the answer is a resounding yes (as if everyone else chiming in
wasn't enough), but let me examine for a moment the reason i think
a lot of people even ask this question (and i'll try not to start a
holy os war)..

my thought on this is that, using a pc is a different mind state
than using a mac.. pardon me while i go on my high horse but with a
pc (i still have to use them at work once in a while), you are kind
of along for the ride and sometimes even need to jump through hoops
to get the pc to do what you want/need.. you have to fiddle with
it, coerce it even.

then when people start using macs, it's such a different
philosophy.. all of a sudden you're in control and the mac is there
to do what YOU want (not the other way around).. and this is new to
many people (myself included).. it's quite a stark contrast when
you think about it.. after a while you'll see it too

that's why when people see this sleep feature they're thinking,
neat but wait there has to be a catch (there always used to be)..
welp i'm happy to say nope... it actually works as advertised..
imagine that :)

anyway i apologize for rambling.. i just had these thoughts in my
head and felt the need to share them before i forgot them and my
mind moved on to the next thought.. maybe i should start a blog or
something heh.
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Thanks for the info. I'll be sure to check out the sites. I know I'm going to wait until Tiger is release bundled with the powerbook which I heard will be sometime around next March.

It's sure going to be hard waiting that long but my PC will have to limp along until then.

I wonder if they are going to come out with a G5 Powerbook anytime soon?

dmitsch
Check those sites out!
I just purchased a powerbook and was reading a little about it on
mac forums and someone mentioned not ever turning off their
powerbook in the last 2 years and only restarting it 3 times. Is
that OK to do? Leave it in sleep mode when not in use, even when
on the go?
this is usually one of the first common questions people who switch
to macs from pc ask.. i know, i asked the same question..

the answer is a resounding yes (as if everyone else chiming in
wasn't enough), but let me examine for a moment the reason i think
a lot of people even ask this question (and i'll try not to start a
holy os war)..

my thought on this is that, using a pc is a different mind state
than using a mac.. pardon me while i go on my high horse but with a
pc (i still have to use them at work once in a while), you are kind
of along for the ride and sometimes even need to jump through hoops
to get the pc to do what you want/need.. you have to fiddle with
it, coerce it even.

then when people start using macs, it's such a different
philosophy.. all of a sudden you're in control and the mac is there
to do what YOU want (not the other way around).. and this is new to
many people (myself included).. it's quite a stark contrast when
you think about it.. after a while you'll see it too

that's why when people see this sleep feature they're thinking,
neat but wait there has to be a catch (there always used to be)..
welp i'm happy to say nope... it actually works as advertised..
imagine that :)

anyway i apologize for rambling.. i just had these thoughts in my
head and felt the need to share them before i forgot them and my
mind moved on to the next thought.. maybe i should start a blog or
something heh.
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No need for appologies, I could use all the info I can get... thanks for the input.
this is usually one of the first common questions people who switch
to macs from pc ask.. i know, i asked the same question..

the answer is a resounding yes (as if everyone else chiming in
wasn't enough), but let me examine for a moment the reason i think
a lot of people even ask this question (and i'll try not to start a
holy os war)..

my thought on this is that, using a pc is a different mind state
than using a mac.. pardon me while i go on my high horse but with a
pc (i still have to use them at work once in a while), you are kind
of along for the ride and sometimes even need to jump through hoops
to get the pc to do what you want/need.. you have to fiddle with
it, coerce it even.

then when people start using macs, it's such a different
philosophy.. all of a sudden you're in control and the mac is there
to do what YOU want (not the other way around).. and this is new to
many people (myself included).. it's quite a stark contrast when
you think about it.. after a while you'll see it too

that's why when people see this sleep feature they're thinking,
neat but wait there has to be a catch (there always used to be)..
welp i'm happy to say nope... it actually works as advertised..
imagine that :)

anyway i apologize for rambling.. i just had these thoughts in my
head and felt the need to share them before i forgot them and my
mind moved on to the next thought.. maybe i should start a blog or
something heh.
--
Mikee
http://phoetic.net/photography/
 

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