Please Help Me Settle My Nerves!

C) They're dissatisfied with their photography skills and think a new expensive camera will improve them.
Buying expensive cameras and lenses compels people to learn to use them, or else they will be left with a painful reminder that they would have been better off spending that money elsewhere.

There is nothing wrong with a D700 purchase. It's the perfect compromise between features, size, and price. I'd easily say that it has the best price/performance of any DSLR out there right now.

People pay for what they value, and value what they pay for. -- Szasz
 
Going against the grain here and say you're on the path to disappointment and lighter pockets.
Good way to set the tone early...
I'm going to make the assumption that you're a hobbyist photographer, not a professional. I'm going to also assume that you're like most hobbyists around here that purchase the D700, or any other expensive pro/prosumer camera and lenses, for the absolute wrong reasons.
I'm eager to hear from where your insight flows? Such strong convictions must have an abundance of insight for backing.
My insight comes from a lifelong observation of human nature, including introspection of my own nature. The basic themes of a discontented consumerist society, impulse buying, cognitive dissonance, and unconscious status seeking applies to photographic equipment as much as it does to automobiles, flat-screen TVs, and riding lawn mowers.
I believe 95% purchase this camera because:
A) They need to satisfy their ever-present toy lust.
That's better than buying it even though you don't want it. Lust can be healthy. I lust for money which pays for toys, so I go to work. Lust after the right things, though.
B) They need to satisfy their ever-present status lust.
All else equal I wouldn't buy stuff which painted me a loser. Nikon does show good taste!
C) They're dissatisfied with their photography skills and think a new expensive camera will improve them.
Yeah, that's a good reason. And it works. When you start using a more demanding and discerning camera, you're motivated to crank up your skill level.
D) Combination of the above.
Works for me.
The problem with purchasing something like the D700 is that it only provides temporary relief of A and B and does nothing for C except for maybe rekindling their interest and motivation to improve their photography skills but that also wears off, especially after the next model comes out and they deceive themselves into thinking they again need a new expensive model to bring their skills to the "next level".
1. Agreed, temporary relief of A. A evolves into lens lust instead of camera lust.

2. Disagree with temp relief of B. Once a camera nerd, always a camera nerd.

3. Totally disagree on point C. If this were true we'd see lots of D700 pro wannabe types posting how disappointed they are. Don't see that, 20 months into the D700 era. We aren't 'projecting' now, are we?
Do you realistically expect them to come onto these boards and admit they've wasted thousands of dollars on equipment they didn't really need and don't really use? I'm certainly projecting somewhat; this human condition is not unique to the OP.
4. And lusting after the latest technology is wrong or bad because... why? Expensive, yes. Wrong? no.
Wrong is a subjective evaluation. The question is the cost, financial and otherwise. By the OP's own admission this is a very big expenditure for him, expensive enough to cause him a lot of strain and mental anguish. Re-read his post. He's spent months contemplating this. Instead of burning more money he would be better served evaluating why he has a gnawing need to buy more stuff, taking a deep breath, appreciating what he already has, and then going outside with his perfectly functional (and expensive) D90 and shooting more photographs.
The truth is that the D700's IQ is nearly equivalent to the D90 for low-ISO use, save for some extra headroom and the ever-present "I need the original 35mm FOV" to realize my photographic goals. The additional stuff that the D700 brings to the table, like the viewfinder, FPS, AF, configurability, controls, etc... are mostly wasted on the dilettante.
Hey! I resemble being called a dilettante! You forgot to mention that a D700 with battery grip will help you pick up women! And if one of those women likes you enough, then that D700 will really be expensive! Would you care to recommend a different camera, one for dilettantes, with all of those non-dilettante features (e.g. AF, configurability, FPS, etc.) omitted? If you're going to serve the dilettante market, you should design a product tailored just for them, so at least you can tell (by which camera they own) who are the dilettantes and who are not. (By the way, I had the very same thoughts, about the PT Cruiser)
For most, a D40/D60/D5000 with a single kit lens would serve them very well and save them a lot of money and disillusionment.
Nah, we dilettantes would just find somewhere else to spend our money. Actually, pouring all of our money into D700s and lenses is a huge timesaver... no need to spends hours and hours poring through newspaper ads for things to buy with our left over money... 'cause there ain't no left over money!
This is the nasty little secret of the photography business and Nikon/Canon are well served to step out of the way and allow it to perpetuate.
There you have it, there are two types of people in the world: People who deserve to have a D700, and dilettantes. As long as you never cross from one side of the room to the other, we're OK and we know who we are.
It's not a question of deserving the D700. He deserves peach of mind, and I'll bet dollars to donuts that a $2,400 camera ain't going to give it to him.
I hope you prove me wrong.
How does one go about doing that, and why should we care?
He can only prove me wrong to himself, not me or anyone else.
 
Joe Biz wrote:
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... He deserves peach of mind
Even though it's taken out of all context, this is the ONE thing you've written with which I can agree! :)

Quite honestly, I thought your first post (your first post ever as a registered member) was written as a satire of overwrought theses posted in these forums. But it seems that you are either very good at staying 'in character' or you are serious and deliberate in your free and unsolicited personality analysis of strangers, complete with a broad brush of stereotyping applied many of the folks who come here to ask advice.

Well... all I can say is... if this is what you enjoy doing, you've got your work cut out for you around here! I'd offer you a chance to look in my head, first, but I don't think you'll find anything.

You wouldn't happen to have any photos you've taken which you'd like to share and discuss? If you need a break from instant analysis, photography might be a fun distraction for you.

Cheers!

-- Bob Elkind

Family, mostly sports. Seriously, folks, I'm not that good. If I can do it, you can do it!
photo galleries at http://eteam.zenfolio.com
my relationship with my camera is strictly photonic
 
I just spent a LOT of money (for me) on a D700. It get delivered tomorrow and I'm very excited to begin using it.

The thing is . . . I have an awful habit of second guessing myself once I actually commit to a large purchase--even after I painstakingly build a rationale over months and months for making the purchase.
I was in same situation some time ago.

I also always almost second guess regarding every large purchase I made.

I say almost, because I haven't second guessed regarding D700, which I bought 6 months ago. Well, maybe one or two times, but every time I take photos, I'm just happy about the great camera I have.

I bought Sigma 70-200 f/2.8 at some time I vought D700. And I'm very happy with that combination. 700-200 and FX is almost perfect combination for me. Now I'm just wishing I'd get money for a normal FX zoom (something like 24-70). Maybe some day.
 
Hi Joe,

Wow, what a way to start the ball rolling. ;-)

You may be right, you may be wrong; however, here's my take -

I am a hobbyist and purchased the D700 (after some experience with other DSLR's) because it has the specs that meets my current photographic needs. When I purchase a "toy" I expected it to function as specified. All DSLR's ARE NOT created equal. It makes no sense to buy something and figure out a way to work around it's inadequacies. Plus, if you know those inadequacies exist, then you are probably ready to upgrade your gear and challenge yourself. If you do not know they exist, then it really doesn't matter anyway. Now, I am able to work on my photographic skills instead of my troubleshooting skills. :-)

The only person who should be concerned with what the folks are spending there money on is the person doing the spending/earning of the money. You can't sit in judgment of what other folks deem as important of fun.

You may be a pro and you may not be - I don't know. However, if you think the IQ of the DX sensor in the D90 matches the IQ of the FX sensor in the D700 - I will have to say "There's know way - period." :-)

By the way, you really should look on the bright side of things - it's much healthier. I would also suggest that you don't lose too much sleep over what other folks do with their money. :-)

If your intent was to agitate, then I must say - you succeeded.

Happy Shooting, (if you do that) ;-)
Pam
Going against the grain here and say you're on the path to disappointment and lighter pockets.

I'm going to make the assumption that you're a hobbyist photographer, not a professional. I'm going to also assume that you're like most hobbyists around here that purchase the D700, or any other expensive pro/prosumer camera and lenses, for the absolute wrong reasons. I believe 95% purchase this camera because:

A) They need to satisfy their ever-present toy lust.
B) They need to satisfy their ever-present status lust.

C) They're dissatisfied with their photography skills and think a new expensive camera will improve them.
D) Combination of the above.

The problem with purchasing something like the D700 is that it only provides temporary relief of A and B and does nothing for C except for maybe rekindling their interest and motivation to improve their photography skills but that also wears off, especially after the next model comes out and they deceive themselves into thinking they again need a new expensive model to bring their skills to the "next level".

The truth is that the D700's IQ is nearly equivalent to the D90 for low-ISO use, save for some extra headroom and the ever-present "I need the original 35mm FOV" to realize my photographic goals. The additional stuff that the D700 brings to the table, like the viewfinder, FPS, AF, configurability, controls, etc... are mostly wasted on the dilettante. For most, a D40/D60/D5000 with a single kit lens would serve them very well and save them a lot of money and disillusionment. This is the nasty little secret of the photography business and Nikon/Canon are well served to step out of the way and allow it to perpetuate.

I hope you prove me wrong. Hope springs eternal.
 
Hi Cary,

I own a D700 and I can definitely say that I am not nor will ever be a "FM".

Happy Shooting,
Pam
I basically agree with you JB.

One more thing, you forgot to mention the FF mystic. Or myth. It seems that many believe FF is the only and true format. That having FF means you are FM - Full Man.

cary
 
Hey Bob,

Great job as always! ;-)

Happy Shooting,
Pam
... He deserves peach of mind
Even though it's taken out of all context, this is the ONE thing you've written with which I can agree! :)

Quite honestly, I thought your first post (your first post ever as a registered member) was written as a satire of overwrought theses posted in these forums. But it seems that you are either very good at staying 'in character' or you are serious and deliberate in your free and unsolicited personality analysis of strangers, complete with a broad brush of stereotyping applied many of the folks who come here to ask advice.

Well... all I can say is... if this is what you enjoy doing, you've got your work cut out for you around here! I'd offer you a chance to look in my head, first, but I don't think you'll find anything.

You wouldn't happen to have any photos you've taken which you'd like to share and discuss? If you need a break from instant analysis, photography might be a fun distraction for you.

Cheers!

-- Bob Elkind

Family, mostly sports. Seriously, folks, I'm not that good. If I can do it, you can do it!
photo galleries at http://eteam.zenfolio.com
my relationship with my camera is strictly photonic
 
the D700 is a rocksolid tool that will make your D90 feel like a toy. it has far better dynamic range, high ISO, live view, and a big bright viewfinder. You're going to love it! and in the future if you get the battery grip you can have 8fps.

I think that most people have limited budgets, and therefore sweat big purchases like this.
 
Actually it should be GREAT JOB Pam and Bob! Interesting and comical read, you guys are interesting writers.

The funny thing is that I don't think of the camera as a long term investment like say the lenses you will probably buy. I think of the camera as a looser when it comes to the fiscal aspect. I have yet to sell a camera for anywhere near its original value, I have yet to sell a lens for much less than my original purchase price. Knowing this ahead of time makes the whole decision issue moot for me. If the OP was questioning the purchase of a 600mm Nikon lens and how it was rattling his nerves, we might see a little more variety in the posts.
 
Hi Joe,

Wow, what a way to start the ball rolling. ;-)

You may be right, you may be wrong; however, here's my take -

I am a hobbyist and purchased the D700 (after some experience with other DSLR's) because it has the specs that meets my current photographic needs. When I purchase a "toy" I expected it to function as specified. All DSLR's ARE NOT created equal. It makes no sense to buy something and figure out a way to work around it's inadequacies. Plus, if you know those inadequacies exist, then you are probably ready to upgrade your gear and challenge yourself. If you do not know they exist, then it really doesn't matter anyway. Now, I am able to work on my photographic skills instead of my troubleshooting skills. :-)

The only person who should be concerned with what the folks are spending there money on is the person doing the spending/earning of the money. You can't sit in judgment of what other folks deem as important of fun.
The OP specifically asked for opinions about how he's spending his money and I offered mine.
You may be a pro and you may not be - I don't know. However, if you think the IQ of the DX sensor in the D90 matches the IQ of the FX sensor in the D700 - I will have to say "There's know way - period." :-)
At base ISO you would not be able to differentiate a well-exposed base ISO photograph that came from a D500, D90, or D700, if all are post-processed to a uniform curve, color, and sharpening target.
By the way, you really should look on the bright side of things - it's much healthier. I would also suggest that you don't lose too much sleep over what other folks do with their money. :-)
We each prefer our own variety of happiness and mine derives from objectivity and honesty. I do tend to lose sleep when I see people falling into harmful consumption patterns. The OP is obviously conflicted about his decision and my experience and judgment tell me his conflict is well-founded. I standby my original assertions that most people are buying these expensive cameras for the wrong reasons.
If your intent was to agitate, then I must say - you succeeded.
That was not my intent and I own no malice.
 
Entertain yes, enlighten, not really. Pacification and enabling only en-lighten the load of responsibility off those whose help has been asked but for which they lack the objectivity and awareness to answer helpfully.
 
Hi Joe,

I am glad no malice was intended - none here either. ;-)

I think your list of A, B, C, and D way overshadowed the value of money, but that is just my take. Also, the fact that it was your first post probably stirred the ants.

If the OP has money "woes" now that he has the equipment; then, hopefully, he can return the gear. :-) However, I didn't perceive the money as the issue - I perceived the choice that he made as what he was really concerned about. Who really nows.

Happy Shooting,
Pam
Hi Joe,

Wow, what a way to start the ball rolling. ;-)

You may be right, you may be wrong; however, here's my take -

I am a hobbyist and purchased the D700 (after some experience with other DSLR's) because it has the specs that meets my current photographic needs. When I purchase a "toy" I expected it to function as specified. All DSLR's ARE NOT created equal. It makes no sense to buy something and figure out a way to work around it's inadequacies. Plus, if you know those inadequacies exist, then you are probably ready to upgrade your gear and challenge yourself. If you do not know they exist, then it really doesn't matter anyway. Now, I am able to work on my photographic skills instead of my troubleshooting skills. :-)

The only person who should be concerned with what the folks are spending there money on is the person doing the spending/earning of the money. You can't sit in judgment of what other folks deem as important of fun.
The OP specifically asked for opinions about how he's spending his money and I offered mine.
You may be a pro and you may not be - I don't know. However, if you think the IQ of the DX sensor in the D90 matches the IQ of the FX sensor in the D700 - I will have to say "There's know way - period." :-)
At base ISO you would not be able to differentiate a well-exposed base ISO photograph that came from a D500, D90, or D700, if all are post-processed to a uniform curve, color, and sharpening target.
By the way, you really should look on the bright side of things - it's much healthier. I would also suggest that you don't lose too much sleep over what other folks do with their money. :-)
We each prefer our own variety of happiness and mine derives from objectivity and honesty. I do tend to lose sleep when I see people falling into harmful consumption patterns. The OP is obviously conflicted about his decision and my experience and judgment tell me his conflict is well-founded. I standby my original assertions that most people are buying these expensive cameras for the wrong reasons.
If your intent was to agitate, then I must say - you succeeded.
That was not my intent and I own no malice.
 
I bought a used D700 a month ago and I'm in heaven and wish I'd sprung for it earlier. I LOVE it and I expect to keep it a long time. I don't need more megapixels than this. I felt bad about spending the money but decided to keep my old car longer to make up for it. No regrets!

Other than birds my preferred shooting time is late afternoon. I'm a pixel peeper and the D700 IQ is making me very happy even at high ISOs. I still use the D300 for birds but I love being able to practically shoot in the dark with the D700. I have the 50mm 1.4G and it's a great lens on the D700 for just general shooting when I need a lightweight kit.

I would really like to know how many people who take it upon themselves to opine that others don't "need" this camera have even used one themselves.
 
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Good post. Some thoughts & questions embedded.
Going against the grain here and say you're on the path to disappointment and lighter pockets.

I'm going to make the assumption that you're a hobbyist photographer, not a professional. I'm going to also assume that you're like most hobbyists around here that purchase the D700, or any other expensive pro/prosumer camera and lenses, for the absolute wrong reasons. I believe 95% purchase this camera because:

A) They need to satisfy their ever-present toy lust.
Yes - fully agreed. But this is not a bad thing, necessarily. I think your tone implies that it is.
B) They need to satisfy their ever-present status lust.
Undoubtedly, for some, but I don't get the feeling status motivates the OP.
C) They're dissatisfied with their photography skills and think a new expensive camera will improve them.
Yes, a certain percentage land here.
D) Combination of the above.
Yep.

...
The truth is that the D700's IQ is nearly equivalent to the D90 for low-ISO use, save for some extra headroom and the ever-present "I need the original 35mm FOV" to realize my photographic goals. The additional stuff that the D700 brings to the table, like the viewfinder, FPS, AF, configurability, controls, etc... are mostly wasted on the dilettante.
I wouldn't go that far. It's wasted on the person who has no intention or interest in taking advantage of those additional/upgraded features - I'd say it's a very small percentage of "dilettantes" who are both willing to shell out the cash and unwilling to learn the tool. (This stretch broke your argument a bit.)
For most , a D40/D60/D5000 with a single kit lens would serve them very well and save them a lot of money and disillusionment. This is the nasty little secret of the photography business and Nikon/Canon are well served to step out of the way and allow it to perpetuate.
For most.... who? What group? Most DSLR users, yes, and the stats on body sales reflect that directly. Most people in the market for a D700 or FF camera in general have already moved out of this general group, though - they've reached a point where the entry-level body and single kit zoom feels incredibly limiting. For most of them , the D700 hits a price/performance sweet spot that's very compelling.
I hope you prove me wrong. Hope springs eternal.
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I am curious - what's your equipment? You say you've come to this conclusion in part by observing others and yourself through this process, have you been left personally disappointed by a photographic purchase like this?

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Bought the D700 on the first day it came out. I get satisfaction every time I use it. It's the third DSLR I've had, and I had about 8 film bodies before that. The D700 offers the best combination of features I've ever enjoyed.

If you're really into photography--as most of us here are--we "get" that good tools help us perform. You enjoy the build, the fit in the hand, the layout, every single time you shoot.

Sure, some people buy the wrong gear. But I doubt there are many here in that camp. We read a photo tech board, for goodness sake. We go into this knowing, for the most part, exactly what we're getting.

In the larger world, outside of this board, I don't doubt that wealthy turds go into camera stores demanding cameras with the highest model number. But those guys don't read this board. They can't be bothered, and probably wouldn't understand most of the info.
We "get it." We enjoy it.
--
Eric
http://www.pbase.com/cerumen
http://www.insectography.com
 
I had a great day with my new . . . hey, wait a minute. I go away for a day and suddenly I'm a data point in somebody's Master's thesis in Psychology?

I may have oversold my initial anxiety. I was just trying to introduce myself to the Forum, as I hope to be posting here in the future.

I am having a wonderful time with my new camera. I walked at least three or four miles in the sun today--some of the first real sun we've had all year. I took a couple hundred pictures and maybe three or four dozen are OK (including a "dog" picture, to be posted soon).

For the record:

1) I purchased a camera that, while certainly not an every day or even once a year kind of thing, was within my financial means. My family will still eat. The mortgage will still get paid. No interest will accrue (except on the mortgage).

2) I am not a genius, but I possess enough native intelligence to operate the D700 and understand its menu system. Someday soon, I'll be able to operate it reasonably well.

3) I photograph things for a number of reasons: to relax, to interact with an environment, to document events in my friends' and family's lives, and to show others how I see the world around me (which has a tendency toward blown highlights for some reason, but I'm sure that will never happen again now that I own the D700 ;)).

4) Dilettante? Really?

5) I think I'm going to like hearing more from Bob.
 

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