P10 Unit Stuff

[cgarrard]

Put up part one of my ramblings just now, fyi.

So far, pretty impressed with this unit, can't wait to sink my claws deeper into it but I think I'm going to like this one, a lot. So far I've got the CX series camera I always wanted.

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[Pavel Kudrys]

Hi Carl,

Thanks for the initial comments and samples! The photos look definitely good considering the tiny sensor in it. Is there any chance you will post the ISO200/400/800 DNG? It would be nice to see the camera RAW performance

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[you-ve-got-mail]

i like your review and photos ... the p10 gxr compination is an my wish list
and i hope it hits the stores pretty soon. the ricoh repesentaives promised
4.6 but methinks it will be delayed :-(

regards,
ulrich

 

[JJJRRR768]

Thanks Carl...will go have a look.

Very interesting, looks quite good. For the price it really cannot be beat (body and module for $500).

 

[Pavel Kudrys]

i like your review and photos ... the p10 gxr compination is an my wish list
and i hope it hits the stores pretty soon. the ricoh repesentaives promised
4.6 but methinks it will be delayed :-(

4.6. is the Japanese release date. I guess it will be available in Japan that day. In the
rest of world shortly after that.

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[stewartpratt]

For the price it really cannot be beat (body and module for $500).

I wish you foreign types would stop banging on about your prices

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[rube39]

It is ¥44, 312 in Japan, ha ha ha.

For the price it really cannot be beat (body and module for $500).

I wish you foreign types would stop banging on about your prices

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[JJJRRR768]

For the price it really cannot be beat (body and module for $500).

I wish you foreign types would stop banging on about your prices

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Stewart, I can get you one and send it along to the UK if you would like, really.

 

[cgarrard]

I can do that.

I was thinking of setting up a static indoor lighting scene and shooting that for a more controlled ISO/IQ test.

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[Pavel Kudrys]

Thanks Carl! It does not have to be controlled test. I'm rather interested to see real world photos. Any DNG file taken at higher than base ISO would be great! Who is shooting in controlled environment anyway?

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[cgarrard]

Will do. Easier, more spontaneous, and more fun doing it that way anyways.

P10 set to Raw+Jpeg (fine) now.

I'll put something up tonight.

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[Calvin Palmer]

Carl,

I am glad you posted your review of the P10 after I had ordered my GRD III, otherwise I would have spent another few weeks agonizing over whether to get the GXR P10, with a view to getting the 28mm unit later, or the GRD III.

Hopefully, my GRD III will arrive today.

I, too, will be interested to see the RAW capability of the GXR P10.

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[cgarrard]

You're welcome Calvin. I was waiting for you to decide it seems!

I had a look at a couple of 800/1600 ISO raw files in ACR last night. There is definitely more detail there, but lots of hot pixels that will have to be removed with NR software (in low light shots that is). Otherwise plenty of detail and the grain looks remarkably uniform, not what I'm accustomed too with compact cameras.

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[stewartpratt]

Stewart, I can get you one and send it along to the UK if you would like, really.

Thanks, it's something I might consider at some point although I've no idea what the import duty would be. I suspect I may end up getting a GF1, though. Meantime I'm busy selling a pile of Pentax lenses, a Fuji F72EXR and a GX8 to raise the funds, so I have some thinking time

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[you-ve-got-mail]

hello carl,

i just found the p10 manual online on the ricoh site.
for my understanding it fairly limits the settings of
the lens aperture in P and A mode ... alas i didnt
find information about full manual control. is the
p10 module also limited to 2 fstops (wide) and 3
fstops (tele) in manual mode ?? i'm a little bit dis-
appointe in this respect. thi looked a litte bit dis-
appointing to me. almost the same aperture limits
as with the hx5v :-(

thanks for you help
ulrich.

 

[Pavel Kudrys]

Yep, it's most probably the same also in M mode. I'm sure Carl will confirm that.

You should not forget that P10 is based of CX3 with new processing engine, RAW and some other GXR goodies. But there is no proper n-blades shutter like in higher Ricoh models (GRD, S10, A12, etc...). So this is why you cannot select all apertures. Just F3.5/7.0 at wide and F5.6/7.7/15.4 at tele end.

hello carl,

i just found the p10 manual online on the ricoh site.
for my understanding it fairly limits the settings of
the lens aperture in P and A mode ... alas i didnt
find information about full manual control. is the
p10 module also limited to 2 fstops (wide) and 3
fstops (tele) in manual mode ?? i'm a little bit dis-
appointe in this respect. thi looked a litte bit dis-
appointing to me. almost the same aperture limits
as with the hx5v :-(

thanks for you help
ulrich.

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[jimr]

That is disappointing.

Even the MSRP $350 Canon SD4000 which uses the same sensor has true aperture blades and therefore a full range of selectable apertures.

Yep, it's most probably the same also in M mode. I'm sure Carl will confirm that.

You should not forget that P10 is based of CX3 with new processing engine, RAW and some other GXR goodies. But there is no proper n-blades shutter like in higher Ricoh models (GRD, S10, A12, etc...). So this is why you cannot select all apertures. Just F3.5/7.0 at wide and F5.6/7.7/15.4 at tele end.

hello carl,

i just found the p10 manual online on the ricoh site.
for my understanding it fairly limits the settings of
the lens aperture in P and A mode ... alas i didnt
find information about full manual control. is the
p10 module also limited to 2 fstops (wide) and 3s
fstops (tele) in manual mode ?? i'm a little bit dis-
appointe in this respect. thi looked a litte bit dis-
appointing to me. almost the same aperture limits
as with the hx5v :-(

thanks for you help
ulrich.

--
Ricoh Film & Digital Forum
http://www.ricohforum.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7597032@N05/

 

[Pavel Kudrys]

Well, it depends. $300 P10 got RAW and $350 SD4000 does not I know, it's rubbish comparison if you are going to buy the whole kit. But for existing GXR users $300 is a reality!

If I should decide between the RAW and real aperture control, then RAW wins hands down. Seriously guys, what would you like to select the aperture for? The sensor is so small that there is no chance to play with DoF outside the macro mode or tele end focused at very short distance. RAW is a real advantage in cameras like P10, or SD4000. Real aperture control is (in my humble opinion) a gimmick feature in this camera class (cameras with sensors smaller than 1/1.7").

That is disappointing.

Even the MSRP $350 Canon SD4000 which uses the same sensor has true aperture blades and therefore a full range of selectable apertures.

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[DanK♂ FP6900]

Do you have more samples to share?

 

[will foreman]

Certainly to some extent this is true, I remember trying the GX8 aperture settings when I first got mine and being amazingly unimpressed with the differences between the (three only) (DOF) settiings. But it does give you something else to play with I suppose, makes you feel like a real photographer. I have long given up trying to a compose stuff using aperture settings on the GRD and other small-sensor cameras, I really find this feature quite pointless on cameras which can be so wonderful in many other ways, and agree that OOF backgrounds can only be produced in the manners you mention. This is not a problem at all, it´s even quite fun in that you have to compose differently to get the effect you want and you have the advantage of getting practically everything in focus at almost any aperture setting under P+S conditions. To be quite honest I hardly ever use the A,S,M positions unless I´m doing long exposures. But there again I am just an amateur, so what do I know? Now if we had F1.8-F22 to play with...but we won't get that until the GXR lens mount turns up.