ON1 Photo RAW doesn't populate the CreateDate in exported files

[ishwanu]

I've been using Photo RAW for several months and only now discovered that it doesn't populate the EXIF CreateDate. Because camera files contain several different date fields, and different apps use different ones for different purposes, the missing field can go unnoticed.

However, Google Photos apparently wants to use that field to display the capture date/time when files are viewed. If the field is missing, it substitutes the date and time that Photo RAW exported the file, which is of course completely different from the actual capture date/time. I now fix this after export by using ExifTool to copy the capture date from one of the other fields and correctly populate the missing field.

Just a heads-up for Photo RAW users to keep an eye out for this - especially those who also use Google Photos.

 

[s_grins]

This is a snip of RAW file developed in ON1, exported as JPG, and opened in IrfanView. In the center you can see info screen, at the left - EXIF info. EXIF definitely contains timestamp.

I apologise if you ment something different. Also, I do not use google photos

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[ishwanu]

This is a snip of RAW file developed in ON1, exported as JPG, and opened in IrfanView. In the center you can see info screen, at the left - EXIF info. EXIF definitely contains timestamp.

It contains a number of timestamps, only some of which are typically shown. My files exported by Photo RAW also contain a number of timestamps, including at least one that correctly retains the actual capture date/time. However, they do not contain the CreateDate field, as I said.

I apologise if you ment something different.

I did mean something different. You have to use software that displays the contents of the field I'm talking about in order to see if it's there or not.

A file where it's present:

It's there. No problem.

A file where it's missing:

It's not there, but I can populate it with the data from DateTimeOriginal, which is there.

Also, I do not use google photos

You'll only encounter an issue if you use software that relies on that field to do something.

 

[s_grins]

This is a snip of RAW file developed in ON1, exported as JPG, and opened in IrfanView. In the center you can see info screen, at the left - EXIF info. EXIF definitely contains timestamp.

It contains a number of timestamps, only some of which are typically shown. My files exported by Photo RAW also contain a number of timestamps, including at least one that correctly retains the actual capture date/time. However, they do not contain the CreateDate field, as I said.

I apologise if you ment something different.

I did mean something different. You have to use software that displays the contents of the field I'm talking about in order to see if it's there or not.

A file where it's present:

It's there. No problem.

A file where it's missing:

It's not there, but I can populate it with the data from DateTimeOriginal, which is there.

Also, I do not use google photos

You'll only encounter an issue if you use software that relies on that field to do something.

Looks like "CreateDate' deliberately left empty, and user ought to populate this field with date from field above.

I have no clue what it is for and why the program left this field empty. This field could be filled and open for editing (unlike time stamp)

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[ishwanu]

This is a snip of RAW file developed in ON1, exported as JPG, and opened in IrfanView. In the center you can see info screen, at the left - EXIF info. EXIF definitely contains timestamp.

It contains a number of timestamps, only some of which are typically shown. My files exported by Photo RAW also contain a number of timestamps, including at least one that correctly retains the actual capture date/time. However, they do not contain the CreateDate field, as I said.

I apologise if you ment something different.

I did mean something different. You have to use software that displays the contents of the field I'm talking about in order to see if it's there or not.

A file where it's present:

It's there. No problem.

A file where it's missing:

It's not there, but I can populate it with the data from DateTimeOriginal, which is there.

Also, I do not use google photos

You'll only encounter an issue if you use software that relies on that field to do something.

Looks like "CreateDate' deliberately left empty, and user ought to populate this field with date from field above.

Looks like? That's exactly the situation that I explained, and I explained that I can copy the missing field in exactly that way.

I have no clue what it is for and why the program left this field empty.

I told you that, too: There are several possible date/time tags in metadata. Only some software and services (like Google Photos) rely on this one in order to display information. The ON1 developers apparently don't realize that. But if you personally don't use such software and services, you personally can ignore it.

 

[John Zeman]

FWIW Awhile back I learned the hard way if I export from the ON1 Edit module, it doesn't export metadata. Exporting from the ON1 Browse module works fine, at least for me.

 

[ishwanu]

FWIW Awhile back I learned the hard way if I export from the ON1 Edit module, it doesn't export metadata. Exporting from the ON1 Browse module works fine, at least for me.

I assume you're talking about optional metadata that you've added in the program.

The EXIF CreateDate is already present in the source file from the camera, but it gets omitted with both export methods.

 

[muljao]

FWIW Awhile back I learned the hard way if I export from the ON1 Edit module, it doesn't export metadata. Exporting from the ON1 Browse module works fine, at least for me.

Excellent info, thanks

 

[Adam2]

Duh, why even look here. No text.

 

[ishwanu]

Duh, why even look here. No text.

I don't understand that response to my original post.

 

[Adam2]

Duh, why even look here. No text.

I don't understand that response to my original post.

PR has so many "features" that it is difficult to use. How about the "feature" where the program doesn't shut down on my Mac repeatedly and it has to be constantly "reset". How about the "feature" where if one creates a new adjustment, it will allow one mask per session (not image). If one tries to make another adjustment and create a new mask, the dropdown is grayed out and inactive. I could go on, though what is the point? PR continues to fall further behind Adobe and other offerings.

 

[ishwanu]

Duh, why even look here. No text.

I don't understand that response to my original post.

PR has so many "features" that it is difficult to use.

So 'features' is there where you mean flaws.

How about the "feature" where the program doesn't shut down on my Mac repeatedly and it has to be constantly "reset". How about the "feature" where if one creates a new adjustment, it will allow one mask per session (not image). If one tries to make another adjustment and create a new mask, the dropdown is grayed out and inactive. I could go on, though what is the point? PR continues to fall further behind Adobe and other offerings.

Complaints about any issues with any software including Photo RAW are valid. People should list as few or as many as they wish. The personal complaints you listed in this thread don't apply to me, and perhaps vice-versa. Doesn't matter. If the list of flaws gets too long for anyone in particular, that person should move on to something else.

There are other threads in which other Photo RAW flaws have been identified and discussed, and there will surely be more. This one is about one flaw that others might not have noticed until I mentioned it.

And even the mighty Adobe subscription products - which I personally never intend to use in any case - have flaws that are discussed in this forum.

 

[Epifpa]

Date/time metadata is a huge rabbit hole. In essence, you are right, On1 handles date/time metadata in a rather simplified way.

I can recommend a couple of articles I wrote : https://thesundaydeveloper.com/heic-support-in-on1-photo-raw/ and https://thesundaydeveloper.com/caught-somewhere-in-time-a-dive-into-date-time-image-metadata/

Both are also available on Medium: https://medium.com/live-view/heic-support-in-on1-photo-raw-99700c1c3e07 https://medium.com/@epifpa/caught-s...ve-into-date-time-image-metadata-91222ea783c9