Nikon firmware updates - wow...

[Michael Bann]

I just shot a wedding - my partner using a D2X, I a 1DII

I am constantly moaning about the instant access to some of the controls he has - sometimes I have glass envy too - other times not -

I've been post processing the image files from the ceremony and the reception and one thing I can say - is I NEED the Canon high ISO performance - for work over 800 iso I don't think I could use the Nikon

that said -

Put the Canon sensor in the Nikon body - and they'd have me

Or Canon could just realize they don't have to maintain the 1D interface -

It's lacking in my opinion - and the viewfinder info - time to revisit that too.

http://www.michaelbann.com

 

[John139895]

I read this about Philips today over at Trusted reviews...

Unlike many consumer electronics companies, Philips isn’t paranoid about showing off future technology. In fact, Philips is very keen to get feedback on concept technology, in an attempt to produce products that the consumers actually want and need. And that’s the key to the Philips Simplicity programme – technology that’s simple to use and enhances the consumer’s everyday life.

To help achieve this message of simplicity, Philips has thrown a massive amount of resources at research and development, including masses of user feedback and interaction. As Philips pointed out to me yesterday, consumer electronics should be about the consumer, not about the electronics.

It wouldn't do those guys at Canon any harm to try this...

 

[Peter White]

Ignorance is bliss, and can be expressed without consequence by the anonymous. Every direct comparison I've ever seen, comparisons of apples to apples, shows a clear difference in detail between Canon's imaging and Nikon's at all ISOs above base. If you can't see the difference, well, by all means, buy the camera with the bells and whistles that tickle your fancy. Those of us with good eyesight will carry on as usual.

 

[agnigodwin]

Um no text.

 

[Martin Offermanns]

Ignorance is bliss ...

... and in conjunction with brashly impertinent arrogance it's astefot.

 

[Ah Pek]

Wait till you look at comparisons where underexposed shots are brought up. There is even a bigger difference. Nikons have to be exposed spot on. The noise is horrible when there is a need to extract some shadow detail. Very unforgiving ...

Ignorance is bliss, and can be expressed without consequence by the
anonymous. Every direct comparison I've ever seen, comparisons of
apples to apples, shows a clear difference in detail between
Canon's imaging and Nikon's at all ISOs above base. If you can't
see the difference, well, by all means, buy the camera with the
bells and whistles that tickle your fancy. Those of us with good
eyesight will carry on as usual.

--
'The majesticness of that duck is overwhelming!' - Bulbol

 

[Ah Pek]

... then I wouldn't have stopped buying their crappy unreliable consumer goods.

--
'The majesticness of that duck is overwhelming!' - Bulbol

 

[agnigodwin]

"Oh look out... Here come the "high iso" Zombies hiiiighh iiiiiiisssoooooh, gromble gromble hiiiiiiiiiigh iiiiiiiissssooooohhhhhh. Funny top commercial photogs using p45's seem to get by just fine without hiiiiiighhh iiiiiiiissssoooooooooh gn gngh."

Don't even need to write anything new, just cut and paste from my old posts.

Funny I thought this thread was about firmware upgrades curious how the zombies rise up and start moaning-on about iso as soon as anyone is critical of Canon on any level - uncanny.

 

[Rickard Hansson]

How much time do you think it takes to firmware update? It takes under 5 minutes and that includes the time to download the files to an card and do the actual upgrade.

Do you say the same thing about taking the time updating your software, the Operating system or your gear?

--

Rickard Hansson

 

[jerryk]

I read this about Philips today over at Trusted reviews...

Unlike many consumer electronics companies, Philips isn’t paranoid
about showing off future technology. In fact, Philips is very keen
to get feedback on concept technology, in an attempt to produce
products that the consumers actually want and need. And that’s the
key to the Philips Simplicity programme – technology that’s simple
to use and enhances the consumer’s everyday life.

To help achieve this message of simplicity, Philips has thrown a
massive amount of resources at research and development, including
masses of user feedback and interaction. As Philips pointed out to
me yesterday, consumer electronics should be about the consumer,
not about the electronics.

It wouldn't do those guys at Canon any harm to try this...

Canon probably did. That is why it takes 2 hands to change anything on the 1 series. Its designed this way to prevent accidental changes. And after having my 5d for a while I can see the wisdom. I hate finding my face has dialed in some exposure compensation!!!!

--
jerryk.smugmug.com

 

[Tim in upstate NY]

astefoot is a chronic complainer

 

[Tim in upstate NY]

...Nobody here is more helpful and civilized than Juli. Unlike you, she's seen a bazillion complaints about Canon cameras and Canon the company by astefot. Those of us who have been here for awhile and actually read a lot of the threads on a regular basis know this.

why don't you just go make the jump to Nikon gear?
--

Definitely one of the shallowest responses in otherwise very
civilized and informative thread.

 

[Tim in upstate NY]

...And why don't the Canon trolls stay off the Nikon forum and all
the other trolls stay on their owns forums?

.........Since most of us here rarely if ever even look at what's on the Nikon forum, your rhetorical question appears to be out of place. Why not go the Nikon forum and post it there?

 

[Ah Pek]

... usual symptoms include muterings of goobledygook!

--
'The majesticness of that duck is overwhelming!' - Bulbol

 

[ohyva]

Wait till you look at comparisons where underexposed shots are
brought up. There is even a bigger difference. Nikons have to be
exposed spot on. The noise is horrible when there is a need to
extract some shadow detail. Very unforgiving ...

I guess this is the result of what can be seen in all noise tests. In Nikon the amount of noise increase when going to darker colors (black noise higher than gray noise) while the noise in Canon seem to follow more the signal level (more like constant SNR on top of a "base noise level"). Thus your noise does not explode when you lighten the image. I do not know if this is a fundamental difference between CCD and CMOS sensors.

Ignorance is bliss, and can be expressed without consequence by the
anonymous. Every direct comparison I've ever seen, comparisons of
apples to apples, shows a clear difference in detail between
Canon's imaging and Nikon's at all ISOs above base. If you can't
see the difference, well, by all means, buy the camera with the
bells and whistles that tickle your fancy. Those of us with good
eyesight will carry on as usual.

--
'The majesticness of that duck is overwhelming!' - Bulbol

 

[ohyva]

as you previois one http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=20338887

But definitely a bit better, so keep practicing and you may eventually be able to say something that makes some sense.

"Oh look out... Here come the "high iso" Zombies hiiiighh
iiiiiiisssoooooh, gromble gromble hiiiiiiiiiigh
iiiiiiiissssooooohhhhhh. Funny top commercial photogs using p45's
seem to get by just fine without hiiiiiighhh iiiiiiiissssoooooooooh
gn gngh."

Don't even need to write anything new, just cut and paste from my
old posts.

Funny I thought this thread was about firmware upgrades curious how
the zombies rise up and start moaning-on about iso as soon as
anyone is critical of Canon on any level - uncanny.

 

[astefot]

I've been post processing the image files from the ceremony and the
reception and one thing I can say - is I NEED the Canon high ISO
performance - for work over 800 iso I don't think I could use the
Nikon

I'm actually not sure whether the high ISO difference is that relevant. Nikon's noise characteristics at high ISO are first of all very "different", which doesn't mean necessarily "better" or "worse". A lot (the majority?) of press photographers are still using Nikon, I think that says it all.

Put the Canon sensor in the Nikon body - and they'd have me

Fully agree here. I hope competition will drive us in that direction.

 

[Chubly]

My D200 and other Nikons seem to be working fine without these updates.

How much time do you think it takes to firmware update? It takes
under 5 minutes and that includes the time to download the files to
an card and do the actual upgrade.

Do you say the same thing about taking the time updating your
software, the Operating system or your gear?

--

Rickard Hansson

 

[ohyva]

I've been post processing the image files from the ceremony and the
reception and one thing I can say - is I NEED the Canon high ISO
performance - for work over 800 iso I don't think I could use the
Nikon

I'm actually not sure whether the high ISO difference is that
relevant. Nikon's noise characteristics at high ISO are first of
all very "different", which doesn't mean necessarily "better" or
"worse". A lot (the majority?) of press photographers are still
using Nikon, I think that says it all.

If so then why it seemed all press/pro people in Photkina used Canon. 1D series with L-lenses seemed to be more like a rule.

There were quite a lot visitors using Nikon, but I was not able spot a single pro shooter (not even when visiting Nikon stand) to use those.

In all the ways, especially along streets, Nikon was clearly more visible with their huge marketing banners.

Put the Canon sensor in the Nikon body - and they'd have me

Fully agree here. I hope competition will drive us in that direction.

 

[Martin Offermanns]

A lot (the majority?) of press photographers are still
using Nikon, I think that says it all.

a lot ?!?!?!
the majority? ?!?!?!

Man, what are you smoking?