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new FinePix S20 Pro !!!
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theponja
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Manufacturer: Fuji Photo Film USA
Product Model: FinePix S20 Pro
MSRP: $999
Official Website:
Max Resolution: 2832 x 2128
Zoom Capability: 6X optical + 2.2X digital
Lens equivalent to: 35mm - 210mm
Maximum Aperture: F2.8 - F3.1
Auto Focus? Yes
Auto Focus Illuminator? No
Macro Capability? Yes (1 cm)
Flash? Yes
Manual Control of: Exposure compensation, aperture, shutter speed, focus, white balance
Storage Method: CompactFlash Type II + xD Picture Card (16MB xD card included)
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Storage Capacity: 1-33
LCD Screen: Yes/1.8"
ISO Equivalent: 200/400/800/1600
Video Out? Yes
USB Support? Yes (2.0)
Movie Mode (format)? Yes
Sound Recording? Yes
TIFF mode? RAW
Batteries supported (# needed): AA (4)
Computers Supported: Mac/PC
Dimensions (D x W x H, inches): 3.8 x 4.8 x 3.2
Weight (grams, empty): 500 g
Software Included: FinePixViewer for Professionals
Miscellaneous Notes: It's a FinePix S7000 with the SuperCCD SR sensor from the FinePix F700. This sensor is designed to improve dynamic range in digital images. FireWire and USB 2.0 ports.
Manufacturer: Fuji Photo Film USA
Product Model: FinePix S20 Pro
MSRP: $999
Official Website:
Max Resolution: 2832 x 2128
Zoom Capability: 6X optical + 2.2X digital
Lens equivalent to: 35mm - 210mm
Maximum Aperture: F2.8 - F3.1
Auto Focus? Yes
Auto Focus Illuminator? No
Macro Capability? Yes (1 cm)
Flash? Yes
Manual Control of: Exposure compensation, aperture, shutter speed, focus, white balance
Storage Method: CompactFlash Type II + xD Picture Card (16MB xD card included)
Buy More Memory Now
Storage Capacity: 1-33
LCD Screen: Yes/1.8"
ISO Equivalent: 200/400/800/1600
Video Out? Yes
USB Support? Yes (2.0)
Movie Mode (format)? Yes
Sound Recording? Yes
TIFF mode? RAW
Batteries supported (# needed): AA (4)
Computers Supported: Mac/PC
Dimensions (D x W x H, inches): 3.8 x 4.8 x 3.2
Weight (grams, empty): 500 g
Software Included: FinePixViewer for Professionals
Miscellaneous Notes: It's a FinePix S7000 with the SuperCCD SR sensor from the FinePix F700. This sensor is designed to improve dynamic range in digital images. FireWire and USB 2.0 ports.
I wonder what that is?
If they use the same algorithm for combining the sensors as in the F700, you will be sorely disappointed in they dynamic range increase (sic).
David
LeifShutter
Senior Member
"FinePix Viewer for Professionals – Fujifilm has tailored its FinePix Viewer image management software for professionals, enabling the photographer to change camera settings, and release the shutter, from a computer
In the UK, the FinePix S20 Pro is supplied with Hyper Utility HS-V2 software, allowing image data to be fine-tuned (including sharpness, colour balance, dynamic range)"
Great, more dynamic range.
But still, I had expected a lot more. At least a larger SCCD, not the small one. A new lens to got with it. I am so not interested.
The S3 isn't that appealing either.
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Sander [Fuji602 SonyP1]
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But still, I had expected a lot more. At least a larger SCCD, not the small one. A new lens to got with it. I am so not interested.
The S3 isn't that appealing either.
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Sander [Fuji602 SonyP1]
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Too expensive, too slow lens, still no AF illuminator and a limited ISO range.
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Sander [Fuji602 SonyP1]
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jkirk@oz
Senior Member
First opinions -
PROS -
Already excited about taking it apart.
JKirk
PROS -
- I DEFINITELY like the bigger and faster buffer (circular?)
- I definitely like RAW
- I definitely like ISO800 at Full Res and 1600 at 3MP !! (why can't we have it in RAW?)
- definitely like F11 back (gone in S7000)
- definitely like the USB2 - Firewire
- No FAT32? I can live wth it.
- NO REMOTE? Fer chrissakes !!
Already excited about taking it apart.
JKirk
http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraDetail.php?cam=549
Adam-T
Forum Pro
Unless they've vastly improved the in-camera interpolater/integrator firmware whatever from the 700 it's just a cop out to make a "Different" camera, it should have been 4 or 5 megapixel because IF it's got the same firmware algorithms as the 700, all it is, is a 602 with the "hardware" improvements of the 7000 which isn't a bad thing in itself but not at the prices you can guess this is going to be ..
IF they HAVE done their homework on the SR Firmware side of things and got it running as it should be as well as put more JPG compression / sharpness / File Size / saturation etc options in then it'll be a VERY interesting camera --- BUT they'll have a lot of explaining to do to S700 owners who need that firmware themselves..
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IF they HAVE done their homework on the SR Firmware side of things and got it running as it should be as well as put more JPG compression / sharpness / File Size / saturation etc options in then it'll be a VERY interesting camera --- BUT they'll have a lot of explaining to do to S700 owners who need that firmware themselves..
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Found a site that is supposed to have the MSRP... they're saying $999... if that's true.. ouch. I really like the burst modes and buffer in this cam so far, but $999 is a little steep considering cameras like the 300d and d70. I wonder how much the s3 will be.
http://www.a-digital-eye.com/
Tony
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ianR
Veteran Member
10 shot burst mode looks interesting. (in 4.5 seconds)
ISO800 at 6mp also.
Can be controlled by computer- that is changing the shutter speed etc by the new Finepix viewer
Xsynch port up to 1/1000
Firewire
Comes bundled with the RAW Hyperutility software.
If they've managed to tweak the R/S combination better than they have before, it will be quite interesting.
Ian
ISO800 at 6mp also.
Can be controlled by computer- that is changing the shutter speed etc by the new Finepix viewer
Xsynch port up to 1/1000
Firewire
Comes bundled with the RAW Hyperutility software.
If they've managed to tweak the R/S combination better than they have before, it will be quite interesting.
Ian
jkirk@oz
Senior Member
EEEEP, yep $999 is a GONG. They're probably trying to recover the $$ they lost on the first dud Super-CCD4's 
. Oh well, NeeeeeeeXT !
JKirk
. Oh well, NeeeeeeeXT ! JKirk
ssab
Senior Member
$999 does seem over the top but I'm not sure how reliable that figure is. From Phils blurb from Fuji it says the s20 is aimed to sit alongside the 7000 which implies similar pricing.
Given that the price is more reasonable AND there is some way of getting consistant results from the S are R sensors this time then unlike the 7000 it might actually tempt me to upgrade from my 602. Increased DR is of a lot more interest to me than more pixels.
So, my S7000 arrives tomorrow.... and Fuji releases a 'better' camera that will probably end up costing the same today!!
Great.
But should I care??? Sounds like there might be a couple of features that would be handy, but the main thing I'm interested in is will the SR CCD be that much better than the HR CCD in the S7000 to make me wish I bought the S20 pro?? I guess until we get to see some sample pics we won't know.
And could someone PLEASE WORK OUT HOW TO HACK THE S7000 FIRMWARE!!!! Surely someone somewhere much know for sure if the firmware is writable and if so, how to hack it. Then maybe we can get the 'extra features' (jpeg compression options etc)everyone seems to want for the s7000(and Fuji doesn't want to give!). I can get hacked firmwares for virtually every piece of hardware in my computer so I live in hope (ha!) that one day I'll be able to get the same for my s7000.
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paulmac
Great.
But should I care??? Sounds like there might be a couple of features that would be handy, but the main thing I'm interested in is will the SR CCD be that much better than the HR CCD in the S7000 to make me wish I bought the S20 pro?? I guess until we get to see some sample pics we won't know.
And could someone PLEASE WORK OUT HOW TO HACK THE S7000 FIRMWARE!!!! Surely someone somewhere much know for sure if the firmware is writable and if so, how to hack it. Then maybe we can get the 'extra features' (jpeg compression options etc)everyone seems to want for the s7000(and Fuji doesn't want to give!). I can get hacked firmwares for virtually every piece of hardware in my computer so I live in hope (ha!) that one day I'll be able to get the same for my s7000.
regards
paulmac
All the other (lower) resolutions only have normal compression mode. (see dpreview specs)
Interesting the improved performance in burst mode (due to lower res pics handled?) the claimed improved dynamic range (we will see the samples) iso 1600, and remote control from computer. I don't care about the pcsync connector since it can be done also with hotshoe and a dumb adapter.
Look like it's a "less pixel with more info in each pixel". Raw Enthusiasts will have fun, hope they'll provide a good software to handle the raws.
Antonio
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Promaster 5750 flash
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Hoya UV and polarizer filters
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Franck Alcidi
Forum Enthusiast
Well after seeing what Canon and Nikon brought out, this looks pretty ordinary. I'm seriously looking at the Nikon D70.... but I guess we should wait to see results from all camera's first before making any comments.
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lockwoodfe
Leading Member
Without a doubt, the price is going to drop like a stone!! Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, is going to pay $999 for this camera when you can buy a 300D, D70, 8700, or 828 for the same price. However, at the same price as the S7000 it may be attractive even though it will still be the most expensive 3MP camera on the market.
Everyone is crowing for better megapixels, not more megapixels and this camera offers that promise. Although I suspect 3MP is a bit too underwhelming for most. Even so it could make it, at 1/2 the price, because it does offer some incredible features for a prosumer. 10 image buffer!, 30ft flash!, 4.5fps!. Another area that could be a big clincher for me is ISO 800 at full res. One thing I felt the F700 didn't get fully appreciated for was how good it was at ISO 800. The samples I saw left me of the opinion that the F700 by far has the best ISO 800 capability in a non dSLR camera. Although, the S7000 seems to do pretty well here too. Hmmm... S7000 and 6/12mp or S20 with only 3/6mp but great DR. Well first let's see if they succeeded in delivering the DR... I am not ruling this one out yet.
Everyone is crowing for better megapixels, not more megapixels and this camera offers that promise. Although I suspect 3MP is a bit too underwhelming for most. Even so it could make it, at 1/2 the price, because it does offer some incredible features for a prosumer. 10 image buffer!, 30ft flash!, 4.5fps!. Another area that could be a big clincher for me is ISO 800 at full res. One thing I felt the F700 didn't get fully appreciated for was how good it was at ISO 800. The samples I saw left me of the opinion that the F700 by far has the best ISO 800 capability in a non dSLR camera. Although, the S7000 seems to do pretty well here too. Hmmm... S7000 and 6/12mp or S20 with only 3/6mp but great DR. Well first let's see if they succeeded in delivering the DR... I am not ruling this one out yet.
You got this right.
Fuji states here is nothing wrong with the F700. So they are either going to have to eat their words or cripple the S20 pro also.
Damn shame because this is a very good sensor.
You hit this whole problem right on the head.
David
chris gunn
Veteran Member
Probably just dble the size eh?
Very nice though! I find I'm about 1/2s too slow in taking my finger off the shutter.
Probably the hardware does not actually do ISO 800 (or 160). They are
probably 'simulated'. On the F7 I suspect there is actually only one real ISO (200).
I actually thought they wouldn't have it. I guess the lack on the s7 must have been
a small sensor problem.
Switchable video out!
You've forgotten a few things we can assume:
Improved low light focus.
More useable manual focus (due to EVF).
Live histogram (Like S7?)
Improved lens? (The suggestion that the S7 has a broader sweet aperture range
than the 602)
Are you really expecting any internal difference? Better ribbon cables would be
nice, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.
They may allow SOME SR control in camera. It will be interesting to see how.
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cheers!
Gunn
CF data base:
http://www.propassion.nl/finepix/
batty66824
Senior Member
You'll love it.
And, might one be so presumptious as to suggest, that 'Sir' tries on the Lowepro Nova 4 AW bag, or their nearly identical, 'Pro MiniMag AW'?
These will take a 602, an S7000 AND a S20Pro, all in full elephant-dong tubular attire, whilst still leaving room for all of the accessories that will fit any of them (external battery pack, wide and tele converters, 5v mains adapter, various bits of cable, flash-guns, filters, reflectors, etc).
Also, they come with an inbuilt condom, for use on inclement social occasions (that's what the 'AllWeather' bit is about).
Now, someone please remind me, why I stopped lugging around 35mm systems.
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His battyness.
chris gunn
Veteran Member
Why on earth?
Not at all. The comparisons by BigwaveDave of the F7, 602 and 300D showed
the F7 had the best DR and the 602 the worst.
- Mind you it could be just due to a different contrast curve....
I would never use more compression options. I don't use any of the sharpness
options either. There are two saturation options! The Chrome etc. I would
only ever use one of those as well.
I have actually got my F700 now!! Hurrah! Delightful camera!
I have done no testing yet however.
Looking over my 602 pics, and F700 pics, I have a significant proportion of
602 pics with blown out areas. None from the F700. Mind you I've mainly
used the F700 so far in indoor/ soft light conditions, but it sounds good!
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cheers!
Gunn
CF data base:
http://www.propassion.nl/finepix/
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