My S100fs - Fixing CA - Part 3

Here is the thing: I posted a comment that YOU didnt like, then you
responded to my comment by saying something about how its why my
comments lack sense. A personal attack by you on me for what reason?
Your comments do lack sense. That is a statement about what you wrote, not a personal attack.
Yes, they can.
BUT.....when the non-owners CONSTANTLY trash the camera in threads
where the OWNERS are posting awesome pictures, it gets pretty old.
This is rubbish. Who are the people who constantly trash the camera? Ted has repeatedly praised the camera on most grounds. He simply won't go along with those people who are intent on denying that CA/PF is one bad point. Likewise Kim.
Someone posts great pics from the camera, how
they dont see PF in the pics they are taking and other people (mostly
non owners) hijack their posts by saying that OTHER people/companies
who have TESTED the s100 have found bad PF. Whoop dee do! I think
the people using the camera have a better grasp on it than the people
who used it in a quick test and DEFINITELY over the people who dont
own it.
This is more rubbish. The same camera can take both good pictures and bad pictures depending on the shooting conditions. CA/PF is far more likely to occur in some conditions than others. Ted and Kim have both explicitly acknowledged on many occasions that for certain types of photography you are unlikely to have much of a problem with CA/PF.

Some users have posted saying they haven't found a lot of CA/PF in their pictures. Others have posted the opposite and some have either sold or wanted to sell their camera on account of it.

If you think that DP Review does a "quick test", then you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
Get a grip man, its just photography, its just a camera. If people
are happy with it and getting results they are happy with and looks
great to others, then why try to constantly rain on their parade?
People come to this site to get accurate information before they make a camera purchase. That means they need balanced information, not just the one-sided comments of people intent on defending their purchase.
Why make personal insults?
Have a look in the mirror. You seem to specialise in launching personal attacks on people who have merely made technical comments.

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john carson
 
Sounds like a pretty good agenda to me !

I love DSLRs (after some years with Canon I switched to Pentax K10D for the inbody stabilization...there is no real equivalent in Canon to, for example, the 77LTD f1.8 as a stabilized lens which has an apx 35mE 115mm. And it is a wonderfully sharp lens.

BUT - my personal "thing" is (and has been since Leicas with TriX were my cameras) indoor informal pix of people without flash.

I am very accustomed to shooting a LOT with a success rate of around 4-5% and I find the clatter of a DSLR under these conditions tends to produce one of two expressions - Oh Goodie my picture is being taken or Oh God my picture is being taken.

So I would love a usable bridge camera with a reasonable burst rate and usable high ISO. Closest I have come is the Canon S5-IS which produces a pretty good 11x14 at ISO 800 and a usable 5x&7 at ISO 1600. But burst is quite slow.

For this very specialized purpose I am trying the S100fs. For most other things expect to stick with the K10D.

Keep posting; its interesting. Best wishes
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bill wilson
 
So I would love a usable bridge camera with a reasonable burst rate
and usable high ISO. Closest I have come is the Canon S5-IS which
produces a pretty good 11x14 at ISO 800 and a usable 5x&7 at ISO
1600. But burst is quite slow.

For this very specialized purpose I am trying the S100fs. For most
other things expect to stick with the K10D.
I think everyone will find it very interesting if you come up with settings that do a nice job under these circumstances. You'll definitely need to get a thread going when you have some results ...

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In all honesty I read the first paragraph and the first sentence of the second. Again, all your doing is whining and moaning about some perceived slight. If you have something of substance to add please do so. If you feel this camera is being maligned by hordes of non owners, take issue with the actual points. You have been around here for about two weeks, you admittedly know nothing at all about digital photography, you admittedly know nothing about how to use a high end camera, and you admittedly know nothing at all about the technology we are discussing, so why are you taking such issue with me over an issue you have no undestanding of?. My guess is you wouldnt know a purple fringe if it bit you on the nose. Yet you claim those that have much more experience and have been around here for 5 or more years, are just somehow shills for a different mfg. I rarely whine in my posts, I say my piece, I back up my arguments, and I am willing to respond to and discuss with anyone who feels like commenting in a logical fashion. I apologize for getting too personal with you, I sometimes have an issue with completely inane remarks. There is no agenda, if you have been around here for the last 6 years you would probably not be alarmed, it has been just like this the whole time, only thing that changes is the model numbers. I have two Fuji cameras right now, and have had a total of 4 over the last 6 years, so I doubt I would qualify as a shill for a different mfg.
Ted
Here is the thing: I posted a comment that YOU didnt like, then you
responded to my comment by saying something about how its why my
comments lack sense. A personal attack by you on me for what reason?
Because you didnt like what I wrote about MOST people who trash the
s100 and dont own it. Did something I write make you think I wrote
it about you? Is that why you personally attacked me? Seems like
that says more about you than me buddy.

The only thing Ill answer is this because Ive got a pretty good idea
of what type of person you are by the last couple posts: Can someone
who doesnt own something discuss it is your question: Yes, they can.
BUT.....when the non-owners CONSTANTLY trash the camera in threads
where the OWNERS are posting awesome pictures, it gets pretty old. I
thought this forum was better than this but I guess you get people
like you no matter where you go. You only want to listen to YOU,
nobody anyone else. Someone posts great pics from the camera, how
they dont see PF in the pics they are taking and other people (mostly
non owners) hijack their posts by saying that OTHER people/companies
who have TESTED the s100 have found bad PF. Whoop dee do! I think
the people using the camera have a better grasp on it than the people
who used it in a quick test and DEFINITELY over the people who dont
own it. I can read all the consumer reports about a certain car, all
the bad about it, but I gaurantee there are people who own the car
and love it. Does that make me an expert on said car and does that
make them wrong? If so do others need to constantly try to remind
them of that?

Get a grip man, its just photography, its just a camera. If people
are happy with it and getting results they are happy with and looks
great to others, then why try to constantly rain on their parade?
Why make personal insults? Have nothing better to do? Dont say it
says more about me, I didnt make any personal insults, youre the one
who did that.

And really, there is no trying to talk to you. The last 10 posts Ive
seen from you say the same thing over and over about how it says more
about you than me, about how youll enter into a rational discussion
with your evidence that you can back up with facts, etc., etc., etc.
The redundancy of your posts make me tired.
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Ted, here is the thing: Youre either misunderstanding me OR youre just one of those guys who has to be right all the time and put others down while doing it. Try reading more than a sentence this time, PLEASE!!!

Youre right, I dont know much about photography, thats what prompted me to ask the question originally as an honest question. Ive visited this site a few times throughout the years looking for info but never posting because I felt as though I had nothing to add. This winter I became in need of a new, better camera so I came back here, read threads for a while, looked over the database, etc., and finally made an account so I could post questions. I thought my question regarding why people trash this camera while owners seem to love it and post great pics was a valid question as one who doesnt know much about cameras or photography but was interested in this camera among others. Apparently you misunderstood what I was asking OR you didnt care, didnt read it and just decided to make it into something it wasnt. I was asking a legitimate question from my standpoint as one who doesnt know much. You probably know 100 times more than me if not more. I was asking an HONEST question, not one with some underlying message/cynicism. Maybe you took it for what it wasnt, maybe not, only you know. I still never received any kind of answer as to why people seem to think the camera is bad when Ive seen pics from it that are as good or better than a lot of pics in magazines. My eye isnt trained in photography so I dont know. So is this a case of you mistaking what I was asking, or are you just one of those forum bullies I should steer clear of? In other threads you seem like a decent, helpful guy so Im guessing you mistook my question, but maybe you just dont like people who are new to photography and new to this forum asking what they think are legitimate questions.
 
... Thanks for that. I learnt a few things on the way too. I've now settled on a new routine which works well for me.

I run PF Killer first, then tidy up CA with Lens Correction and then do any fine touch up needed. Works a treat and there is very little touch up required.

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Rgds, Dave.
Have fun - take lotsa pix.
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I did answer your question, I said I think you are not seeing the forrest for the trees. Quite simply, I said I can say 7 great things about this camera all of them true, and one bad thing also true, and guys like you will ONLY see the negative. They will focus on that one thing and say I never see CA/PF in my images, or the CA is so small as to be unnoticeable. Almost every tiny detail of digital imaging can be quantified with standard, repeatable test methods. When you test system A and system B, you can now make comparisons as the the differences in these two systems. This site tests 50 systems a year and uses a very thorough and very well respected methodologies. So when they say they have measured the CA and it is worse than most of the other systems they have tested, I believe them. I see the results posted by some of the fine photographers here and I see many excellant images as well as few not so good ones. Some of the excellant images exhibit varying degrees of CA and some of the bad ones do as well. This is to be expected as there are certain situations which are prone to producing this problem and some that arent. None of this makes this camera a bad camera, I and many others (I'm sure they would be on your evildoers list) have stated ad infinitum that this camera is quite good, its easily capable of producing excellant results. I take issue with the occasional poster who seems to insist that they have not seen any CA in any of their images, this has been said a hundred times and I would think you would have read such posts yourself. All I can say is, if you havent seen any CA in any shots, you are probably not looking, or don't know what to look for. My only problem with your original question and resulting follow up posts was there never seemed to be a real question, you asserted that many people are trashing this camera, but never cared enough to challenge the subject of that supposed trashing. To be more clear, you saw/see a number of people making an issue of the chromatic abberations present in this camera, and see that as "trashing". Then you go off on a rant about people commenting on image quality without owning the camera (as if that has any bearing at all) but never comment on the actual presence of CA in the camera; seemed rather silly to be quite frank. I have stated any number of times, I think this camera is far and away the best bridge camera on the market, DPReview has given it a pretty good review and an accurate review. They chose not to give it as high a reccomendation as it really deserved because I think they are simply astonished that once again Fuji has turned out a superb camera with a big flaw. Its like buying a shiny new car with one door painted a different color. If Fuji had handled the CA issue in camera, this camera would have gotten their highest rating.

Now, wether or not the CA issue is that big a deal really depends on how you want to use it. For 90% of the world it should be just fine, maybe even 95% of the world, but lets not try and obfuscate the facts simply because they dont matter to us personally. When someone comes here, they expect to get fairly honest, and fairly thorough information, in order for that to occur it will require some opinions from all sides, let the buyer decide which issues are important for them.

And, for the record, its not JUST non owners who have mentioned having issues with CA/PF, many owners have brought that same subject up and most have already begun the search for editing software that will help them slay that purple/green beast. If its such a "non issue" why then all the interest in software to fix it?

I appreciate your response, and I do apologize if you took/take my comments as a personal attack, I dont know you so would be ill informed as to your character, I simply comment on what you say, as you obviously do me.
Ted
Ted, here is the thing: Youre either misunderstanding me OR youre
just one of those guys who has to be right all the time and put
others down while doing it. Try reading more than a sentence this
time, PLEASE!!!

Youre right, I dont know much about photography, thats what prompted
me to ask the question originally as an honest question. Ive visited
this site a few times throughout the years looking for info but never
posting because I felt as though I had nothing to add. This winter I
became in need of a new, better camera so I came back here, read
threads for a while, looked over the database, etc., and finally made
an account so I could post questions. I thought my question
regarding why people trash this camera while owners seem to love it
and post great pics was a valid question as one who doesnt know much
about cameras or photography but was interested in this camera among
others. Apparently you misunderstood what I was asking OR you didnt
care, didnt read it and just decided to make it into something it
wasnt. I was asking a legitimate question from my standpoint as one
who doesnt know much. You probably know 100 times more than me if
not more. I was asking an HONEST question, not one with some
underlying message/cynicism. Maybe you took it for what it wasnt,
maybe not, only you know. I still never received any kind of answer
as to why people seem to think the camera is bad when Ive seen pics
from it that are as good or better than a lot of pics in magazines.
My eye isnt trained in photography so I dont know. So is this a case
of you mistaking what I was asking, or are you just one of those
forum bullies I should steer clear of? In other threads you seem
like a decent, helpful guy so Im guessing you mistook my question,
but maybe you just dont like people who are new to photography and
new to this forum asking what they think are legitimate questions.
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Hi,

many have criticised your post saying that painting all over the edges is very time consuming.
One thing I've found useful is to:
1. create a new layer, holding a copy of the image;
2. desaturate the new layer;
3. using the desaturated image as the layer mask to the desaturated layer;
4. run an edge-detect filter on the layer mask;
5. threshold the layer mask;
6. use dilate filter to widen remaining edge lines
7. slightly blur the edge lines
8. possible adjust curves to enhance contrast of edges.

This can be done very fast. Most edges in your image will turn B&W, at a width of a few pixels. In some areas this is going to be visible and disturbing, at other areas some PF will remain. I then pick a brush to paint over the mask to fix those. The automation (edge filter) does 90% of the work, and it's quite easy to fix the rest.





Kofa
 

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