My G2-a "p&s"?

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I read the following at the end of the referenced message.

JonW wrote in the Minolta forum-

"So yes, there are other cameras (like the Canon G2) which are often recommended if you just want to pull the camera out and take great shots. But the D7 has so much more you can grow in to."

As far as I am concerned the G2 should NOT be recommended if you just want a "P&S" and is a "prosumer" type camera which like the D7 has a lot to grow into. Am I wrong or is it JonW who should be set straight?

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1024&message=2231351

CRL
 
I don't see a need to correct his view on the G2 and D7. Indeed, G2 is just a "P&S" compared to the D7, D30 etc. And one of the reason I think D7 is more towards expert photographer is it's battery life, which so damn short you better know what you are doing and what you are going to shoot before turning it on... :D

When I first saw the D7 in my local store, I thought it's a Hi-8 video camcorder..hehe...

Cheers,
Tony
I read the following at the end of the referenced message.

JonW wrote in the Minolta forum-
"So yes, there are other cameras (like the Canon G2) which are
often recommended if you just want to pull the camera out and take
great shots. But the D7 has so much more you can grow in to."

As far as I am concerned the G2 should NOT be recommended if you
just want a "P&S" and is a "prosumer" type camera which like the D7
has a lot to grow into. Am I wrong or is it JonW who should be set
straight?

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1024&message=2231351

CRL
 
Easy there. You don't want to start straightening out everyone on these forums who is full of it. You won't have time to take pictures. The G2 can be used as a point and shoot, but its an awfully expensive one if thats how you use it. Everyone is entitled to his opinion even if it is based on ignorance and prejudice. You'd just get into a time wasting argument anyway.
Cheers--Happy SnappingDon McVee http://www.pbase.com/mcveed
 
I rather suspect that he is mistaking a serious prosumer compact camera that can do fabulous P&S with an expensive P&S camera. Bearing in mind that the G2 has a superset of the features of my Pro90, which is pretty much an basic EOS sans some of the more esotreic frills in the functionality and controls department, it could hardly be called a P&S. Granted, the lens is a different kettle of fish, but that is what the Pro90 is for :-) (or indeed the ProXX(X) Super Duper Vaporware they are about to release) Either he hasn't used one, or hasn't done his research, I'd say, though I stand open and fully exposed to correction

Dermot
I read the following at the end of the referenced message.

JonW wrote in the Minolta forum-
"So yes, there are other cameras (like the Canon G2) which are
often recommended if you just want to pull the camera out and take
great shots. But the D7 has so much more you can grow in to."

As far as I am concerned the G2 should NOT be recommended if you
just want a "P&S" and is a "prosumer" type camera which like the D7
has a lot to grow into. Am I wrong or is it JonW who should be set
straight?

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1024&message=2231351

CRL
-- All is compromise
 
Bar the lens and some other little bits and pieces, what can the D7 do that the G2 can't?

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When I first saw the D7 in my local store, I thought it's a Hi-8
video camcorder..hehe...

Cheers,
Tony
I read the following at the end of the referenced message.

JonW wrote in the Minolta forum-
"So yes, there are other cameras (like the Canon G2) which are
often recommended if you just want to pull the camera out and take
great shots. But the D7 has so much more you can grow in to."

As far as I am concerned the G2 should NOT be recommended if you
just want a "P&S" and is a "prosumer" type camera which like the D7
has a lot to grow into. Am I wrong or is it JonW who should be set
straight?

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1024&message=2231351

CRL
-- All is compromise
 
funny!! :)
I don't see a need to correct his view on the G2 and D7. Indeed, G2
is just a "P&S" compared to the D7, D30 etc. And one of the reason
I think D7 is more towards expert photographer is it's battery
life, which so damn short you better know what you are doing and
what you are going to shoot before turning it on... :D

When I first saw the D7 in my local store, I thought it's a Hi-8
video camcorder..hehe...

Cheers,
Tony
 
Now that, that is true....
Aaaw! But it's so much fun!

I suspect a reasoned and polite reply, for the record as it were, probably brings far more benefit to the board as a whole, though sometimes it is beyond me to see obvious tripe spouted without resorting to a somewhat vehement response. I need to get a less agressive hobby.
Easy there. You don't want to start straightening out everyone on
these forums who is full of it. You won't have time to take
pictures. The G2 can be used as a point and shoot, but its an
awfully expensive one if thats how you use it. Everyone is entitled
to his opinion even if it is based on ignorance and prejudice.
You'd just get into a time wasting argument anyway.
Cheers
--
Happy Snapping
Don McVee
http://www.pbase.com/mcveed
-- All is compromise
 
Megapixels-Schmegapixels, though you probably have a good point. I always forget the rest of the world's fetish for excessive resolution. If my camera will generate a clean sharp image that still needs to be scrolled on my 21" montor set to 1600X1200, I'm a happy camper, but I guess that is just me. Mark you, I'm quite content with my 2.6MP Pro90, so by current standards, I'm an incontinent old luddite. Bah Humbug!
Um... I think D7 is 5Mpixel too. Check Phil's review on it and you
will know what G2 can do BUT D7 can't :D
-- All is compromise
 
Oh my dog ... so if the G2 is not a high-end P&S, maybe it's actually a low end SLR? Or maybe it's right in the middle, the perfect range finder? And if you're Bill Gates, maybe the G2 is just a disposable camera?

... or maybe we just need to get AWAY from this forum and go shoot some photos ... :-p
I read the following at the end of the referenced message.

JonW wrote in the Minolta forum-
"So yes, there are other cameras (like the Canon G2) which are
often recommended if you just want to pull the camera out and take
great shots. But the D7 has so much more you can grow in to."
--Canon G2 http://www.pbase.com/mwisniewski
 
I haven't used the D7 so I don't know the level of knowledge required to get good pictures from it. I would recommend the G2 as a P&S because it is designed so that photographers of all skill levels can use it....from P&S to more advanced modes. People who have more photography experience can obviously produce better shots (Pekka, Don Ellis, Anders W, among many others) but beginners can also produce some nice pics too. The G2's menu system is easy to negotiate and the buttons are ergonomically placed unlike some other cameras. I don't think it will take a beginner very long to learn how to use the G2 in "P" (P&S) mode. To recommend the G2 as a P&S is a compliment...if you qualify it by saying that it can get as good as you want it to (within limits of course....it isn't a D30).

Check out my P&S gallery at: http://www.pbase.com/golfpic
I read the following at the end of the referenced message.

JonW wrote in the Minolta forum-
"So yes, there are other cameras (like the Canon G2) which are
often recommended if you just want to pull the camera out and take
great shots. But the D7 has so much more you can grow in to."

As far as I am concerned the G2 should NOT be recommended if you
just want a "P&S" and is a "prosumer" type camera which like the D7
has a lot to grow into. Am I wrong or is it JonW who should be set
straight?

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1024&message=2231351

CRL
 
Well, I'm glad some of you figured out that I was trying to compliment the G2, not tear it down.

The D7 is a wonderfull machine, it has a TTL viewfinder, a 5MP sensor, and a 28-200mm wide angle to zoom lens. It also has a wide color space like many pro coms have.

Alas, there's a few well known gotchas about the D7 that make it more difficult to just pull out the camera, take some shots, and print. The neat thing is they can be dealt with. But you need to learn about color space profiling, and photography in general, and basically just learn how to interpret all the feedback the camera gives you.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the G2 is a camera a neophyte could pickup, make sure it was in automatic mode, and for the most part take nice pictures.

If someone wants an excellent camera, and both the G2 and the D7 are that ... but they don't really want to learn a lot about photography, seems to me the G2 is a better choice. Yeah, sure they could buy something cheaper. But the original poster merely asked "G2 or D7?" with no further input.

That's all I was saying.

Cheers!
 
The G1/G2 are more like "point" and eventually shoot!
I read the following at the end of the referenced message.

JonW wrote in the Minolta forum-
"So yes, there are other cameras (like the Canon G2) which are
often recommended if you just want to pull the camera out and take
great shots. But the D7 has so much more you can grow in to."

As far as I am concerned the G2 should NOT be recommended if you
just want a "P&S" and is a "prosumer" type camera which like the D7
has a lot to grow into. Am I wrong or is it JonW who should be set
straight?

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1024&message=2231351

CRL
--Blue http://www.pbase.com/image/784655
 
The G1/G2 are more like "point" and eventually shoot!
Heh, I wasn't considering things like auto-focus time and preflash, just whether the automatic settings in general got you a good picture.

Our Kodak DC4800 was a pretty fast flash shooter as it used a light sensor and not a preflash, but it often got the focus wrong, and there wasn't an indicator to tell you what it actually focused on. It also usually got the white balance right under mixed lighting, whereas we usually have to fuss with that on the D7.
 
Here's my $.02. As for classifying the G2 as P&S, I think the black G2 with microdrive tells us that Canon realizes this camera is acquiring a large pro user base.

As for JonW's "correct me if I am wrong", well I agree a neophyte can use the P/Auto mode with success in many situations. For that matter, many modern SLRs (film or digi) have decent Point and Shoot modes, and neophytes can pick them up and get decent pictures. (This includes the Dimage 7!) But here comes the mild correction: my opinion (as a G2 owner with many years of film experience) is that there are a few gotchas/traps with the G2 that can ruin shots - where a film-based P&S SLR or another simpler digicam might work better for a neophyte. There are hundreds of posts to back up the point.

Some of the weaknesses:

1) The manual! Although for the most part it is pretty good, it would help neophytes to have more discussion of basic photography and some camera features - e.g. details of the Program/Auto aperture and shutter selections, and pointers on when to over-ride the defaults. No explanation of flash duration vs shutter speed, the importance of distance to subject for flash pictures or what Tv and Av flash modes are for. Documentation of the long shutter speed limits in non Tv/M modes. All of these have caused problems for users in this forum.

2) Flash mode defaults of f2/2.5 and 1/60 in Auto/P modes. The f2/2.5 is chosen to get the max range, but then you run into overexposed pictures with close subjects. This is a basic problem in the Canon E-TTL system - it doesn't use distance information, which is often critical for flash photos.

Another problem with the f2 default is narrow depth of field leading to out-of-focus pictures. On a film P/S camera the maximum aperture will be smaller, giving a wider depth of field and a better chance for a neophyte to get a clear shot.

3) Autofocus - it's usually more precise and faster with SLRs and film P&S.

This has caused some upset even with experienced photographers in this forum, you can imagine what trouble neophytes have.

4) Soft pictures. Canon doesn't do a lot of in-camera sharpening which has caused complaints from neophytes complaining that their 4MP G2 pictures are softer than the old 1-2MP P/S digicam they had before.

My thinking is that the G2 is probably not the best choice for a snapshooter who has no interest in learning how to take better pictures. They would be better off spending less on a camera with fewer features and less control. The G2 is a much better choice for a someone who is serious about photography and realizes that non-Auto modes are there for a reason. And I do agree with JonW that the G2 is a better choice than the D7 for a neophyte - but primarily because it costs less. GKL
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the G2 is a camera a
neophyte could pickup, make sure it was in automatic mode, and for
the most part take nice pictures.

If someone wants an excellent camera, and both the G2 and the D7
are that ... but they don't really want to learn a lot about
photography, seems to me the G2 is a better choice. Yeah, sure they
could buy something cheaper. But the original poster merely asked
"G2 or D7?" with no further input.

That's all I was saying.

Cheers!
 
If someone wants an excellent camera, and both the G2 and the D7
are that ... but they don't really want to learn a lot about
photography, seems to me the G2 is a better choice. Yeah, sure they
could buy something cheaper. But the original poster merely asked
"G2 or D7?" with no further input.

That's all I was saying.

Cheers!
What he really wrote.........
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can someone please compare those two cameras .
JonW wrote

Different classes really. The G2 is more of a point and shoot. Excellent camera for that class.

The D7 has a thru the lens electronic viewfinder, wider zoom, tons of manual controls, and more pixels.

G2's your choice if you just want to snap photos.

D7's your choice if you want control over your photos.
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Reference http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1024&message=2123575

Why not G2 for control over photos?
 
Why not G2 for control over photos?
Good point, crl. Or why not the D7 for P&S?

Clearly the G2 allows lots of control compared to a standard P&S. Although their features and strengths are somewhat different, to me the D7 and G2 are much closer in capabilities than they are to a strictly P&S camera. GKL
If someone wants an excellent camera, and both the G2 and the D7
are that ... but they don't really want to learn a lot about
photography, seems to me the G2 is a better choice. Yeah, sure they
could buy something cheaper. But the original poster merely asked
"G2 or D7?" with no further input.

That's all I was saying.

Cheers!
can someone please compare those two cameras .
JonW wrote
Different classes really. The G2 is more of a point and shoot.
Excellent camera for that class.

The D7 has a thru the lens electronic viewfinder, wider zoom, tons
of manual controls, and more pixels.

G2's your choice if you just want to snap photos.

D7's your choice if you want control over your photos.
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Reference
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1024&message=2123575
 

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