more E1 sample image (no noise !)

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Some more new E1 image from Japan , quality look better than all
the previous image we have seen ... noise free !!!!

http://digitalcamera.impress.co.jp/03_09/tokuho/index.htm

E1 picture - 4th to 8th ...
Can anyone read that Japanese text? Are those images straight out of the camera? Processed with Oly's tools? Run through "Neat Image"? PhotoShopped to death?

Right now, the only iamges taken, of the same subject in the same conditions, are Phils.

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Joe

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Right now, the only iamges taken, of the same subject in the same
conditions, are Phils.
Why are Phil's trustworthy and not the japanese? They're from the same type of source.

By the way, the EXIF of the japanese samples says modification time is two seconds after creation time. I suppose this could be manipulated, but do we have reason to believe that?
I think it sounds more like sour grapes on your part.

Jorgen
 
I'm gonna get an E-1 just to torque the jaws of Mr. Wisniewski and Mr. Karlson.

Were you guys beaten with an Olympus camera as children?

Actually, I probably won't get an E-1, or a Rebel, or a 10D, or a Lieca M-7, for that matter. Probably won't get lots of things.

So there!
 
... seen two such totally negative flapjaws before. Starting to think they've something to prove. Don't really know why they hang around here if Oly's are such a disappointment to them. Whatever...

Jim
I'm gonna get an E-1 just to torque the jaws of Mr. Wisniewski and
Mr. Karlson.

Were you guys beaten with an Olympus camera as children?

Actually, I probably won't get an E-1, or a Rebel, or a 10D, or a
Lieca M-7, for that matter. Probably won't get lots of things.

So there!
 
... seen two such totally negative flapjaws before. Starting to
think they've something to prove. Don't really know why they hang
around here if Oly's are such a disappointment to them. Whatever...
There is really just one thing that is worse than a personal attack
for no good reason at all and that is agreeing with a personal
attack for no good reason at all. Get a life folks.

BTW - I own 2 olympus cameras. Both good.

Roland
 
... reading you posts. I think that's reason enough to agree with the comment.

Are we keeping you up?

Jim

BTW It's not an attack, it's an observation.
... seen two such totally negative flapjaws before. Starting to
think they've something to prove. Don't really know why they hang
around here if Oly's are such a disappointment to them. Whatever...
There is really just one thing that is worse than a personal attack
for no good reason at all and that is agreeing with a personal
attack for no good reason at all. Get a life folks.

BTW - I own 2 olympus cameras. Both good.

Roland
 
There is really just one thing that is worse than a personal attack
for no good reason at all and that is agreeing with a personal
attack for no good reason at all. Get a life folks.
I always thought genocide was worse than either a verbal personal attack or agreeing with it. Some other things too.

There are many worse things than hyperbole, but that doesn't mean hyperbole is good.
 
... must be one of the more unfriendly places at Phil's site.

Several people here that atacks the posters instead of
discussing digital cameras. Strange place indeed.

Roland
 
Joseph has kept my feet on the ground regarding the 4/3, but I still agree with the whole concept, and I might even put my money where my mouth is. It is the only system were I will get a good, not too expensive 28-100mm-ish lens.
How about that, Canon/Nikon?
J.
I'm gonna get an E-1 just to torque the jaws of Mr. Wisniewski and
Mr. Karlson.

Were you guys beaten with an Olympus camera as children?

Actually, I probably won't get an E-1, or a Rebel, or a 10D, or a
Lieca M-7, for that matter. Probably won't get lots of things.

So there!
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Hi Jo,
Consider that the Oly 300mm f2.8 is 1.6 pounds heavier than an
equivelant Nikon (as well as longer and wider). It's also longer,
heavier, and wider than a 300mm f2.8 Canon, and the Canon has image
stabilization. Both the Nikon and Canon have ultrasonic ring
motors, while the Oly has gear motors.

You have to compere the 300mm 2.8 from olympus with the 400mm 2.8 from Nikon( this one is 11.000 euro)
I have a Nikon D100 that went bouncing a long way down a hillside.
The case took some ugly damage, but the camera is totally sound.
Good for you but I'll never have a Nikon, the service in the Netherland is worse than bad ( once they refuse to service my 200mm 2.0 for 3 months, I had to cancel a lot of assigments) so if I won't go for the E-1 it will be a Fuiji or a Canon
No. They're a few thousand dollars overpriced (looking at that
300mm you said you needed).
Again 400mm- 300mm
Percisely why I use a DLSR that has hundreds of availiable lenses,
from four manufacturers. Not 4 lenses from one manufacturer.

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Edgar
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... must be one of the more unfriendly places at Phil's site.

Several people here that atacks the posters instead of
discussing digital cameras. Strange place indeed.
Quite common behavior, actually. If you can't mount an attack against someone's arguments, attack the person instead. Unfortunatly, even the personal attacks contain considerable wrong information and cannot be successuflly defended.

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Ciao!

Joe

http://www.swissarmyfork.com
 
... seen two such totally negative flapjaws before.
Take a long, serious look in the mirror. I looked over your posting history, and it is quite negative, mostly sarcastic, and riffled with personal attacks.

Have you ever done anything as positive as my "most exciting E1 features" post?

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=5426172
Starting to
think they've something to prove. Don't really know why they hang
around here if Oly's are such a disappointment to them.
Apparently, you haven't read very many of my posts. I'm rather fond of the E-1, it's a highly innovative camera. I've explained, at length, how the dust cleaner system worked (including the physics behind it). There's an awful lot I'm fond of in this camera.

And, it should be clear that I have much respect for the Oly engineers, but very little for their marketing people. I do believe that most of their "designed for digital" takl and "4/3 consortium" talk is just an attempt to grab attention, and does not agree with the reality of the camera.
Whatever...
Exactly...

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Joe

http://www.swissarmyfork.com
 
Right now, the only iamges taken, of the same subject in the same
conditions, are Phils.
Why are Phil's trustworthy and not the japanese?
I did not say they were not trustworthy. I asked if anyone could read the Japanese text.
They're from the
same type of source.
Quite true. But they're not, particularly useful for side by side comparison of cameras. That is why I pointed out that "Right now, the only iamges taken, of the same subject in the same conditions, are Phils."
By the way, the EXIF of the japanese samples says modification time
is two seconds after creation time. I suppose this could be
manipulated, but do we have reason to believe that?
Most image processing tools do not change the EXIF creation, modification, or digitization times. This includes PhotoShop.
I think it sounds more like sour grapes on your part.
I don't understand the "sour grapes" comment. I question things. Dang near everything. It's my nature. It's how I learn. Either someone else will answer a question, or I'll dig up an answer to my own question. In any case, knowledge increases.

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Joe

http://www.swissarmyfork.com
 
Quite common behavior, actually. If you can't mount an attack
against someone's arguments, attack the person instead.
Unfortunatly, even the personal attacks contain considerable wrong
information and cannot be successuflly defended.
If you are referring to me, I said I might get an E-1 to torque your jaws, and I asked if you had been beaten w/an Olympus as a child.

What there is wrong information and how is it indefensible?

I can get an E-1 (when they are available) for any reason ("good" or "bad," it needs no defense) that suits me, and a question is not, in itself, wrong information, it is an effort to seek the right information from those who would presumedly know.

As I said above, there are worse things than hyperbole, but that doesn't make hyperbole good. Your calling my request for information "wrong information" is not hyperbole, but just plain, well, wrong.

Those issues aside, I was subtly (I'm pointing this out to you as you seem to have difficulty grasping the subtlety) addressing your seemingly religious zeal in denouncing an unreleased camera on scant preliminary evidence.

It very well might be the worst camera ever made.

Of course, nobody here but Phil has actually had his or her hands on one, and that was not, apparently, a production camera (Phil calls it an "initial production" camera, distinguishing his preview "as a prelude to the full reivew using a production camera").

Take it from me: that new unreleased Mel Gibson movie SUCKS. Nobody should pay money to see it. You'll hate it, all of you.

Unless you're into that kind of thing, then you might like it.
 
Consider that the Oly 300mm f2.8 is 1.6 pounds heavier than an
equivelant Nikon (as well as longer and wider). It's also longer,
heavier, and wider than a 300mm f2.8 Canon, and the Canon has image
stabilization. Both the Nikon and Canon have ultrasonic ring
motors, while the Oly has gear motors.

You have to compere the 300mm 2.8 from olympus with the 400mm 2.8 from Nikon( this one is 11.000 euro)
Actually, when you take the differences in aspect ratio (4:3 vs. 3:2) and the differences in pixel count (5MP vs 6MP) it's much more easonable to compare 300mm to 300mm. The Canon and Oly end up exactly even, but you'd need a 330mm to even things out for Nikon.
I have a Nikon D100 that went bouncing a long way down a hillside.
The case took some ugly damage, but the camera is totally sound.
Good for you but I'll never have a Nikon, the service in the
Netherland is worse than bad ( once they refuse to service my 200mm
2.0 for 3 months, I had to cancel a lot of assigments) so if I
won't go for the E-1 it will be a Fuiji or a Canon
And that is an important argument. How well is each system supported in your area. Have you had experiences with Oly? Canon is probably going to be your best bet: there are advantages to sheer size. Fuji would get you every problem you had with Nikon for the lenses, plus the added variable of Fuji service on the body.
No. They're a few thousand dollars overpriced (looking at that
300mm you said you needed).
Again 400mm- 300mm
I still maintain 300mm to 300mm.

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Joe

http://www.swissarmyfork.com
 
Quite common behavior, actually. If you can't mount an attack
against someone's arguments, attack the person instead.
Unfortunatly, even the personal attacks contain considerable wrong
information and cannot be successuflly defended.
If you are referring to me,
Actually, I was not. You post was not sufficiently interesting, and I treat such as "below my radar". But since you asked directly....
I said I might get an E-1 to torque
your jaws,
There was no "might" involved. You said "I'm gonna get an E-1 just to torque the jaws of Mr. Wisniewski and Mr. Karlson."

Now, as far as I can tell, that is a statement that you are going to do something purely for the purpose of annoying someone else. In short, a personal attack.
and I asked if you had been beaten w/an Olympus as a
child.
No. Although you phrased it as a question, you knew, to an extremely high degree of certainty, that neither myself or Mr. Karlson were " beaten with an Olympus camera as children".
What there is wrong information and how is it indefensible?
Well, since you later stated that "Actually, I probably won't get an E-1...", your yourself have proven your first statement wrong, and have successfully breeched its defences. Your rhetorical question, by its own nature, is self negating.
I can get an E-1 (when they are available) for any reason ("good"
or "bad," it needs no defense) that suits me,
That is true. However, as you said, "Actually, I probably won't get an E-1...", therefore your statement was made for no other purpose than to annoy two people. "just to torque the jaws of...."
a question is
not, in itself, wrong information, it is an effort to seek the
right information from those who would presumedly know.
Do you expect anyone to believe that you were making an honest and sinceer attempt to find out if Mr. Karlson and myself were "beaten with an Olympus camera as children"?
As I said above, there are worse things than hyperbole,
Quite true. There is thinly veiled sarcasm. There is really bad humor.
but that
doesn't make hyperbole good. Your calling my request for
information "wrong information" is not hyperbole, but just plain,
well, wrong.
Again, no one would construe your rhetorical question as a "request for information".
Those issues aside, I was subtly (I'm pointing this out to you as
you seem to have difficulty grasping the subtlety)
I assure you, I have no difficulty with the subtle.
addressing your
seemingly religious zeal in denouncing an unreleased camera on
scant preliminary evidence.
As I have pointed out, I have made numerous positive statements about this camera.
It very well might be the worst camera ever made.

Of course, nobody here but Phil has actually had his or her hands
on one, and that was not, apparently, a production camera (Phil
calls it an "initial production" camera, distinguishing his preview
"as a prelude to the full reivew using a production camera").
And, as several people (myself included) "initial production" has an established definition, a saleable (sellable) product.
Take it from me: that new unreleased Mel Gibson movie SUCKS.
Nobody should pay money to see it. You'll hate it, all of you.
Excellent example. You provide no explanation or reasoning, just condemnation. I do provide the technical explanations to back up my statements.

You might want to see someone about those voices in your head.

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Joe

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