Mirrorless?

[justmeMN]

JacquesC wrote: Both have been in mirrorless, Canon with their M line, and Nikon with the Nikon 1, but both companies appeared to do so with very little enthusiasm or appetite for it.

I think Canon is enthusiastic about selling entry-level mirrorless in Asia. Asia buys more mirrorless cameras than The Americas and Europe combined, so that's not a horrible strategy. Thom Hogan contends that Canon is #2 in worldwide mirrorless market share.

 

[Robert Cain]

When the new Nikon FX film-less mirrorless cameras arrive at the local Nikon Pro dealer. I will eagerly board my horseless carriage, and travel along mudless, gravelless roads, to see this marvel of engineering. Hopefully, the journey will be a stressless, incidentless trip, on a rainless day.

If I find that the new Nikon FX filmless, mirrorless camera is entry-level, the visit will be joyless.

 

[JacquesC]

When the new Nikon FX film-less mirrorless cameras arrive at the local Nikon Pro dealer. I will eagerly board my horseless carriage, and travel along mudless, gravelless roads, to see this marvel of engineering. Hopefully, the journey will be a stressless, incidentless trip, on a rainless day.

If I find that the new Nikon FX filmless, mirrorless camera is entry-level, the visit will be joyless.

... and then you go home Nikonless

 

[Dan_168]

Hi All

Old Nikon Shooter here.

Will Nikon's 1st mirrorless be a D850 in Mirrorless clothing I hope so.

Or will it be a entry level?

Will have to be a good camera to compete with Sony I can't wait to see it.

Anyone else intrested?

I guess up until this moment no one really know the details, but I sure hope it's a camera no smaller than the D850 style body, I already own a small Mirrorless A7R II , while I absolutely love the image quality I got from that camera but just hate the ergonomics of that tiny body, so will only consider the Canon, Nikon mirrorless if that's a in the bigger DSLR kind of form factor.

 

[bobn2]

Hi All

Old Nikon Shooter here.

Will Nikon's 1st mirrorless be a D850 in Mirrorless clothing I hope so.

Or will it be a entry level?

Will have to be a good camera to compete with Sony I can't wait to see it.

Anyone else intrested?

I guess up until this moment no one really know the details, but I sure hope it's a camera no smaller than the D850 style body,

What would be the point?

 

[Dan_168]

Nikon should probably take their best-selling models (D850, D750, D500) and make ML versions of them, and maybe throw in a reasonably-priced DX model. That's a pretty tall order, though! So, we'll see. They must be getting close to an announcement?

Actually that's a good start FOR ME, while I wish a D5/1Dx mirrorless but a mirrorless D850 with a vertical grip will sure get my $$$$ for now. on the other hand a A7R style body is none of my business as I already have one and know this will be the last one for a while unless someone stop making pro DSLR all together.

 

[Dan_168]

What would be the point?

The point is a camera with the advantage of the Mirrorless + the handling of the SLR.

 

[bobn2]

What would be the point?

The point is a camera with the advantage of the Mirrorless + the handling of the SLR.

What is 'the advantage of the Mirrorless'?

 

[Dan_168]

What would be the point?

The point is a camera with the advantage of the Mirrorless + the handling of the SLR.

What is 'the advantage of the Mirrorless'?

Well, if you don't see any then there is no point to discuss further.

 

[bobn2]

What would be the point?

The point is a camera with the advantage of the Mirrorless + the handling of the SLR.

What is 'the advantage of the Mirrorless'?

Well, if you don't see any then there is no point to discuss further.

It was a question.

 

[BGD300V1]

With the choice of either using the OVF or a phase detect live view read off the sensor and displayed on a daylight readable (articulating) rear OLED.

Where is the R(eflex) in mirrorless? Why not just call them a digital camera?

It would be really, really retro-cool if the image on the screen were not inverted in processing and you would get a black cloth to cover your head while you compose your shot.

 

[Matsu]

With the choice of either using the OVF or a phase detect live view read off the sensor and displayed on a daylight readable (articulating) rear OLED.

Where is the R(eflex) in mirrorless? Why not just call them a digital camera?

I agree, why not? It's not a meaningful distinction, but since this the Nikon SLR forum, I think I'd rather Nikon's application of mirrorless technology simply be used to augment/enhance DSLR functionality, this way we can keep an optical viewfinder and faster live view focusing in the same body.

It would be really, really retro-cool if the image on the screen were not inverted in processing and you would get a black cloth to cover your head while you compose your shot.

Only if they also include a vintage look wooden tripod. I don't have to take it with me, but I can use it to decorate my studio. And who couldn't use an extra extra large lens cleaning cloth.

 

[KR Photo]

Hi All

Old Nikon Shooter here.

Will Nikon's 1st mirrorless be a D850 in Mirrorless clothing I hope so.

Or will it be a entry level?

Will have to be a good camera to compete with Sony I can't wait to see it.

Anyone else intrested?

I guess up until this moment no one really know the details, but I sure hope it's a camera no smaller than the D850 style body, I already own a small Mirrorless A7R II , while I absolutely love the image quality I got from that camera but just hate the ergonomics of that tiny body, so will only consider the Canon, Nikon mirrorless if that's a in the bigger DSLR kind of form factor.

I hope they do a larger FX body and then a small (like the Fuji X-T20) DX body. This would satisfy those looking at ergonomics and also those who are looking for a smaller setup. Personally, in this scenario I'd keep my "mirrored" Nikon gear and add the DX mirrorless camera to my bag.

 

[Tristimulus]

What would be the point?

The point is a camera with the advantage of the Mirrorless + the handling of the SLR.

What is 'the advantage of the Mirrorless'?

Continiously fed image sensor - that way data can be analyzed on the fly, and you get eye focus, zebras, focus peaking, focus directly on the image sensor, and a lot more...

That is not possible when that flapping is blocking the image sensor and feeding the separate focus module, and that OVF thing...

--
Tinkety tonk old fruit, & down with the Nazis!
Bob

 

[xPhoenix]

What would be the point?

The point is a camera with the advantage of the Mirrorless + the handling of the SLR.

What is 'the advantage of the Mirrorless'?

 

[bobn2]

What would be the point?

The point is a camera with the advantage of the Mirrorless + the handling of the SLR.

What is 'the advantage of the Mirrorless'?

 

[bobn2]

What would be the point?

The point is a camera with the advantage of the Mirrorless + the handling of the SLR.

What is 'the advantage of the Mirrorless'?

Continiously fed image sensor - that way data can be analyzed on the fly, and you get eye focus, zebras, focus peaking, focus directly on the image sensor, and a lot more...

That is not possible when that flapping is blocking the image sensor and feeding the separate focus module, and that OVF thing...

Sure, that is an advantage, but I'd doubt a big enough one to make a success of a whole new camera line, by itself.

It's also one that can be had with an SLR via the back screen in LV, or better with an accessory EVF port. Then you could use with OVF for when that was better (and to my mind there are situations in which its better) and EVF for when that's better.

--
Tinkety tonk old fruit, & down with the Nazis!
Bob

 

[EstebanDido]

Nikon and Canon have a lot of catch up to do, for users to be enticed, I think their first mirrorless camera has to have the following:

MUSTS

1. Full Frame Sensor with at least 24mp

2. New mount to accommodate a new series of smaller lenses and with an adapter that works well with older DSLR lenses

3. IBIS is probably a must nowadays

4. Good noise control (usable up to 12000 ISO)

5 Under 2k (to compete with the Sony A7R III)

6. Not a lemon, they will have just one chance, if they release to the market a half baked cookie, it will be major disaster.....

HIGH WANTS

1. Good dynamic range

2.. Smaller and lighter than the traditional DSLRs

3. 4K video with f-Log

4. Fully articulated display for bloggers

As a Nikon user, unless I see these specs, I would not be spending my hard earned money just because it reads Nikon on the front. So far, I am using Fuji and Nikon, and would be happy if I can buy a miorrorless with the specs noted above

 

[michaeladawson]

What would be the point?

The point is a camera with the advantage of the Mirrorless + the handling of the SLR.

What is 'the advantage of the Mirrorless'?

Continiously fed image sensor - that way data can be analyzed on the fly, and you get eye focus, zebras, focus peaking, focus directly on the image sensor, and a lot more...

That is not possible when that flapping is blocking the image sensor and feeding the separate focus module, and that OVF thing...

It's also one that can be had with an SLR via the back screen in LV, or better with an accessory EVF port. Then you could use with OVF for when that was better (and to my mind there are situations in which its better) and EVF for when that's better.

That's a ridiculous solution. Or rather, it's not a solution I accept. I want a standard EVF with histogram. No way I'm using LV. I want to get rid of the need to AFFT my lenses. I want to get rid of the noise of the mirror flapping.

But some of the mirrorless solutions are too small with tiny buttons.

We can also talk about the disadvantages of mirrorless. Currently, my Fuji X-T2 and X-H1 are not reliable for AF-C shooting. Too much hunting to acquire AF and it repeats after every release of the shutter.

 

[bobn2]

What would be the point?

The point is a camera with the advantage of the Mirrorless + the handling of the SLR.

What is 'the advantage of the Mirrorless'?

Continiously fed image sensor - that way data can be analyzed on the fly, and you get eye focus, zebras, focus peaking, focus directly on the image sensor, and a lot more...

That is not possible when that flapping is blocking the image sensor and feeding the separate focus module, and that OVF thing...

It's also one that can be had with an SLR via the back screen in LV, or better with an accessory EVF port. Then you could use with OVF for when that was better (and to my mind there are situations in which its better) and EVF for when that's better.

That's a ridiculous solution. Or rather, it's not a solution I accept.

The question really is, what is it supposed to be a solution to?

I want a standard EVF with histogram.

Why should not an EVF on a designed on EVF port be well integrated into the camera and offer a histogram?

No way I'm using LV. I want to get rid of the need to AFFT my lenses. I want to get rid of the noise of the mirror flapping.

It the mirror is locked up in LV, it won't be flapping.

But some of the mirrorless solutions are too small with tiny buttons.

And some aren't, and there is a lot of distance between then and a D850. Operationally, my GX80 is about the same size as my FM2, and I always thought that was quite a nice size for a camera.

We can also talk about the disadvantages of mirrorless. Currently, my Fuji X-T2 and X-H1 are not reliable for AF-C shooting. Too much hunting to acquire AF and it repeats after every release of the shutter.

So, what would be nice is a camera where you can have the advantages of an SLR when you want it, and the advantages of mirrorless (less the size and weight plus) when you don't. That sad thing is that Nikon probably can't do it, due to the limitations of the F-mount lens protocol.

--
Tinkety tonk old fruit, & down with the Nazis!
Bob