Mini Review a6000

Concerning bad borders with 16-50, etc:

I've been experimenting with the use of 1.1X & 1.2X Clearzoom on the APS-C cameras, with excellent effect. This gets rid of poor corners and edges, very effectively, in-camera.

The latest success is my 15mm f8 Olympus body-cap lens.

1 - for the above reason.

2 - I've discovered that this lens has a third focusing position, mid-way between the indented infinity position and the closed-cap position. Nowhere in any literature that I've read anywhere, including DPR, has anybody mentioned this, so there we have it! Because what looked like poor quality images, now suddenly becomes sharp!!!

- 1 & 2 combined together, on my NEX-5R, creates a very useful pocket camera.


Progress!

:-):-D:-O
 
Long time Canon and Nikon user here, see my profile if interested.

First off, lets get the annoying things out of the way...

The Manual provided sucks. (I bought the Gary Friedman’s alternative and it’s worth it)
Yep - Sony tradition! Terrible manuals. Though it seems to have really taken root the past 4-5 years - older Sonys actually came with usable manuals (never great, but better than what they give you now). Fortunately, they usually have much more extensive full manuals available online for getting to know camera functions, and the guides like the one you picked up of course are an alternative.

The battery life is MUCH shorter than I’m used to.
Coming from DSLRs, surely it will be. I switch back and forth between A6000 and a DSLR, and can run as many as 2,500 photos easily off one DSLR charge - the A6000 typically does more along the lines of 350-450 in normal shooting, and can be pushed to around 850 or so in rapid shooting. There are some tips that help get the battery life up a bit: turn the 'sleep' to a low setting like 1 minute, turn off image review, turn on Airplane mode when you don't need wifi, switch focus to shutter press only (turning off pre-focus), and so on. Of course, the batteries are very very small, so picking up a few extra to keep in a pocket, bag, or even inside a shoulder strap isn't too bulky. I always have 3 batteries on me when I shoot the A6000 - and I can't recall ever going a day where I used more than 2...the extra is just for insurance.

Many of the on_LCD C2 button help files are short and pointless (e.g.: File Format = Selects the movie file format.) Friedman’s manual gives detailed whys and whens.
I disable the help menus as soon as I get the camera. They are pretty worthless - the camera works more smoothly with them turned off I find.

Ejecting and retrieving the SD card is near impossible with my fingers. I’ve devised a violent alternative: touch and press the SD card down and release immediately, and it will fly across the table or floor or room ;-)
There is a side-pinch method that can work, at least for me. I admit it's a strangely poor design - especially odd since all past e-mount camera bodies had a little more room to get your fingers in there - this is the only one that makes it more challenging. I just grab the SD from the two edges, rather than the two flat surfaces, and 'pinch' it out of the slot. I have shorter, chubby fingers so I definitely don't have the perfect hand build for getting into tight spots - this works well enough for me so far.
This camera will take pictures without a card inserted! (I’ve had a buddy take a day of important pictures with our realizing this.) My work-around is to NOT secure the battery door as a reminder to me that the camera is not ready to shoot yet.
Never noticed that - glad I haven't!

Things I’m amazed by...

(I had to sell my APS-C 7D to finance this and the 55-210)
The files are for most purposes noise free up to and including 1600 ISO
Agreed. And if you nail the exposure, even further - I shoot JPGs with no editing through ISO6400, even ISO8000, and the noise is superbly low while detail remains very strong - I am comfortable pushing the camera to ISO12800 myself.

The metering is very close and usually spot on. I have to Exposure Compensate (EC) my Canon files 60 % of the time whereas with the Sony about 20% of the time.
Agreed...I've never had an issue with metering so far.

The JPG output is very good and most of the time they are used for my viewing pleasure on my MacBook Pro. I do hardly any post processing of them. I shoot RAW + Small JPG for all pictures and am pleased with Standard, +1 Saturation, and +3 Sharpening for those JPGs. The files at small but wider than my 1920 pixel screen and the real winners will be processed from the RAW files if necessary, or if the +1 Saturation is too much for difficult lighting or people’s complexions.
Good approach I think - I do similar. I'm mostly a JPG shooter, but occasionally shoot RAW if I need the insurance, or am shooting very difficult situatiosn - and still end up often using the JPGs and not needing the raw. I'm a bit more conservative on settings, as I keep sharpening to -1 - I am always wary of white halos from oversharpening, so I prefer to do most of my sharpening in post processing if needed.

My Kit Lens is surprisingly good with only a touch of softness right side or top right corner, depending on the focal length and f stop. (Distortion or other defects unnoticeable because of Lightroom 5.) The 55-210 is a jewel and sharp throughout its focal range and image dimensions.
Agreed on the 55-210 - I also have a great copy of it, and it's a favorite lens of mine. I don't have the A6000 kit lens - I am still using the old 18-55mm silver kit lens from my NEX3, as I have a very good copy. I'm not too fond of power zooms, so the old 18-55mm is better handling for me, and some seem to think probably a little better overall in performance...at least if you get a good one.

The 10-18mm UWA lens is a beauty too - definitely a favorite of mine for travel. And as a low-light prime, the 35mm F1.8 OSS is also quite good - I like the wider focal compared to the 50mm, but that lens is also very good.

I’ve taken a thousand pictures in the past month and enjoy the lightness, responsiveness and convenience of this camera. I usually shoot Aperture Priority and like the easy choosing and viewing of the different apertures by the main control dial. I like the easy EC dial-in and the quick way of moving my single focus point around the viewing area, -all three of these adjustments without taking my eye away from the Electronic ViewFinder, which I like and am not spoiled by having used a better one. There appears to be no lag or ghosting here and since I do not review-display my taken shot on the LCD, focusing and repeated shooing is accurate and fast.
In some cases, there are folks who have come from using the higher-res, better-spec viewfinders of previous e-mount cameras, and who STILL prefer the A6000 viewfinder...I'm one. I was very happy with the excellent OLED unit previously, as the resolution was excellent, but contrast was a bit harsh, it was very prone to blow out highlights or crush shadows in very bright light, and to my eye was more grainy in low light - the lower-res unit on the A6000 works all-around more smoothly, more quickly, better refresh, better contrast, and better in extreme lighting conditions (all in my opinion, of course!).

The instant panorama stitching is great. (Although and tough to expect, I wish the output was larger.)
Remember the trick you can do to get larger files is to run your panos from the vertical portrait position - you get a little less width, but a lot more height, and so bigger res photos.

Lovely photos - you have a good eye, and a very interesting place you live too...love some of those remote BC areas! I met a couple years ago who were from one of the even-more remote islands of BC - north of you - Haida Gwaii - they showed photos from their island and it was stunningly beautiful - but they said they were waaaay off the grid - all generator & alternate power, boats in and out, walking trails or ATVs only, etc. I don't know if I could live quite that remotely, but would love to visit.
 
Thanks Justin for your thoughtful and helpful addition to my mini review.

I have enjoyed you postings on this forum and have bookmarked your site for further browsing.

PS/ try that spectacular removal of the memory card if you can manage it. (Its a touch, press and very quick removal of finger to let the spring loading react.)
 
Your if I want a fisheye i'll get a fisheye is pretty much a statement saying you should be shooting primes. If I want a sharper 24mm than the 24-105L, I'll shoot a 24mm prime, etc...list can go on and on. If I want a true macro lens I'll shoot a macro lens blah blah...all of these statements just show you do not want to take advantage of the flexibility of a standard kit zoom lens.
To me a fish-eye is not something that just distorts, or the side-effect of a lens designed with some extreme trade-off, but something with an extremely wide FoV (around 180°), such as the Samyang 8mm. Sure, if the 16mm uncorrected is fine for you, good. But I doubt that most people buy a kit lens to have a sort-of-fisheye, which is something exotic.

I'd like to have a 8-200mm all-in-one lens, but it doesn't exist, so I go with the right tool for the right job.
 
Not sure about the NEX 7 but I know from my NEX 3 that it doesn't auto correct the distortion and the vignetting. No big deal as I can still auto correct in LR. Would be nice though to have a sw upgrade available. Should be easy for Sony as they have the algorithms. I know they like you to rather buy a new body but next to my new a 6000 I still like to use my 3 so I have 2 lenses under direct reach.
Yes, the NEX-7 auto corrects for lens geometry, distortion, etc, unlike the original NEX-3 and -5, which don't.
Just out of curiosity, why have you not upgraded to a newer model? (Still have my 3, as well as a 5R, 6 & 7 models.)
 
Your if I want a fisheye i'll get a fisheye is pretty much a statement saying you should be shooting primes. If I want a sharper 24mm than the 24-105L, I'll shoot a 24mm prime, etc...list can go on and on. If I want a true macro lens I'll shoot a macro lens blah blah...all of these statements just show you do not want to take advantage of the flexibility of a standard kit zoom lens.
To me a fish-eye is not something that just distorts, or the side-effect of a lens designed with some extreme trade-off, but something with an extremely wide FoV (around 180°), such as the Samyang 8mm. Sure, if the 16mm uncorrected is fine for you, good. But I doubt that most people buy a kit lens to have a sort-of-fisheye, which is something exotic.

I'd like to have a 8-200mm all-in-one lens, but it doesn't exist, so I go with the right tool for the right job.

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Fabrizio Giudici
http://stoppingdown.net
That is fine, but if you compare the 15mm f2.8 Fisheye on Canon APS-C to Sony's 16-50mm the distortion grid is more alike than it is different. It is not unknown for some MFT users to shoot a 8mm fisheye only to use distortion correction to provide whatever result they want out of it. I am just stating the reality, which is the 16-50 at wide angle behaves close to fisheye and if you look at the distortion figure between it and the 15mm f2.8 fisheye on Canon APS-C on Photozone.de it certainly looks to be that way.

In a perfect world a 16-50 that small can provide a perfect sharp 16mm edge to edge rectilinear optical performance. But more likely than not it is designed that way to realize its current size and there is no defeating physics.

It has certain characteristics at wide angle, and the more you learn about it, the more perhaps you can work *with* it instead of against it.

See for yourself -

http://www.photozone.de/canon-eos/150-canon-ef-15mm-f28-fisheye-test-report--review?start=1

http://www.photozone.de/sony_nex/842-sony1650f3556oss?start=1

Distortion grid look eerily similar? Like I said, treat the 16-50 like a fisheye in performance at 16mm and you might be happier, because at least then you can work with it instead of against it.
 
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Your if I want a fisheye i'll get a fisheye is pretty much a statement saying you should be shooting primes. If I want a sharper 24mm than the 24-105L, I'll shoot a 24mm prime, etc...list can go on and on. If I want a true macro lens I'll shoot a macro lens blah blah...all of these statements just show you do not want to take advantage of the flexibility of a standard kit zoom lens.
To me a fish-eye is not something that just distorts, or the side-effect of a lens designed with some extreme trade-off, but something with an extremely wide FoV (around 180°), such as the Samyang 8mm. Sure, if the 16mm uncorrected is fine for you, good. But I doubt that most people buy a kit lens to have a sort-of-fisheye, which is something exotic.

I'd like to have a 8-200mm all-in-one lens, but it doesn't exist, so I go with the right tool for the right job.
 
Your if I want a fisheye i'll get a fisheye is pretty much a statement saying you should be shooting primes. If I want a sharper 24mm than the 24-105L, I'll shoot a 24mm prime, etc...list can go on and on. If I want a true macro lens I'll shoot a macro lens blah blah...all of these statements just show you do not want to take advantage of the flexibility of a standard kit zoom lens.
To me a fish-eye is not something that just distorts, or the side-effect of a lens designed with some extreme trade-off, but something with an extremely wide FoV (around 180°), such as the Samyang 8mm. Sure, if the 16mm uncorrected is fine for you, good. But I doubt that most people buy a kit lens to have a sort-of-fisheye, which is something exotic.

I'd like to have a 8-200mm all-in-one lens, but it doesn't exist, so I go with the right tool for the right job.

--
Fabrizio Giudici
http://stoppingdown.net
That is fine, but if you compare the 15mm f2.8 Fisheye on Canon APS-C to Sony's 16-50mm the distortion grid is more alike than it is different. It is not unknown for some MFT users to shoot a fisheye only to use distortion correction to provide whatever result they want out of it. I am just stating the reality, which is the 16-50 at wide angle behaves close to fisheye and if you look at the distortion figure between it and the 15mm f2.8 fisheye on Canon APS-C on Photozone.de it certainly looks to be that way.

In a perfect world a 16-50 that small can provide a perfect sharp 16mm edge to edge rectilinear optical performance. But more likely than not it is designed that way to realize its current size and there is no defeating physics.

Like I said before, it has certain characteristics at wide angle, and the more you learn about it, the more perhaps you can work *with* it instead of against it.
With the 16-50, it's the price you pay for compactness. Comparing distortion charts between the 1650 and the 18-55 kit lenses, on some review sites, one can readily see the much greater levels of distortion on the compact 1650. (at over 18mm) But it all comes out in the wash, because of the APS-C cameras' built-in distortion correction. Then the two lenses become pretty much equal.
Distortion correction combined with extension distortion along with only ok edge and so so corner acutance does not result in a wash in all situations if you intend to capture sharp detail in the corner. Thankfully it is a composition no no to have detail leading the eye away from the center instead of towards it.

The one thing to really compare it against would be the Panasonic LX-100 which has the same focal length coverage and almost the same size of camera. The A6000 gains the versatility of being interchangeable and it is typically harder to produce as high quality interchangeable lens vs a fixed mount lens. Looking at the real-world results I have to ask myself if I downsample my image to 12MP can I get a similar result with the 16-50. IMO I think I could.

http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/r...bum=panasonic-lumix-dmc-lx100-samples-gallery
The LX100 has a beyond-state of the art fixed Leica lens, and employs a 4/3 sensor. Beyond size, there is really not much to compare with. Different animals. A better comparison for the LX100 is the Fuji X30, although it's sensor is much smaller.

Recently I've taken to using a 1.1X Clear Zoom factor which I keep on the soft "B" button, whenever I use my 16/2.8 lens. The same could be done with the 1650, although I suppose one could just zoom out to 18mm.
 
Your if I want a fisheye i'll get a fisheye is pretty much a statement saying you should be shooting primes. If I want a sharper 24mm than the 24-105L, I'll shoot a 24mm prime, etc...list can go on and on. If I want a true macro lens I'll shoot a macro lens blah blah...all of these statements just show you do not want to take advantage of the flexibility of a standard kit zoom lens.
To me a fish-eye is not something that just distorts, or the side-effect of a lens designed with some extreme trade-off, but something with an extremely wide FoV (around 180°), such as the Samyang 8mm. Sure, if the 16mm uncorrected is fine for you, good. But I doubt that most people buy a kit lens to have a sort-of-fisheye, which is something exotic.

I'd like to have a 8-200mm all-in-one lens, but it doesn't exist, so I go with the right tool for the right job.

--
Fabrizio Giudici
http://stoppingdown.net
That is fine, but if you compare the 15mm f2.8 Fisheye on Canon APS-C to Sony's 16-50mm the distortion grid is more alike than it is different. It is not unknown for some MFT users to shoot a fisheye only to use distortion correction to provide whatever result they want out of it. I am just stating the reality, which is the 16-50 at wide angle behaves close to fisheye and if you look at the distortion figure between it and the 15mm f2.8 fisheye on Canon APS-C on Photozone.de it certainly looks to be that way.

In a perfect world a 16-50 that small can provide a perfect sharp 16mm edge to edge rectilinear optical performance. But more likely than not it is designed that way to realize its current size and there is no defeating physics.

Like I said before, it has certain characteristics at wide angle, and the more you learn about it, the more perhaps you can work *with* it instead of against it.
With the 16-50, it's the price you pay for compactness. Comparing distortion charts between the 1650 and the 18-55 kit lenses, on some review sites, one can readily see the much greater levels of distortion on the compact 1650. (at over 18mm) But it all comes out in the wash, because of the APS-C cameras' built-in distortion correction. Then the two lenses become pretty much equal.
Distortion correction combined with extension distortion along with only ok edge and so so corner acutance does not result in a wash in all situations if you intend to capture sharp detail in the corner. Thankfully it is a composition no no to have detail leading the eye away from the center instead of towards it.

The one thing to really compare it against would be the Panasonic LX-100 which has the same focal length coverage and almost the same size of camera. The A6000 gains the versatility of being interchangeable and it is typically harder to produce as high quality interchangeable lens vs a fixed mount lens. Looking at the real-world results I have to ask myself if I downsample my image to 12MP can I get a similar result with the 16-50. IMO I think I could.

http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/r...bum=panasonic-lumix-dmc-lx100-samples-gallery
The LX100 has a beyond-state of the art fixed Leica lens, and employs a 4/3 sensor. Beyond size, there is really not much to compare with. Different animals. A better comparison for the LX100 is the Fuji X30, although it's sensor is much smaller.

Recently I've taken to using a 1.1X Clear Zoom factor which I keep on the soft "B" button, whenever I use my 16/2.8 lens. The same could be done with the 1650, although I suppose one could just zoom out to 18mm.
The LX100 is comparable in size and weight, its key strength is the 4k video. However its lens is really just about 1 stop better in light gathering due to sensor size. Still an achievement because we know how 1 stop can make the price/size/weight of any lens double. However with the 1 stop difference there is also the sensor resolution and performance difference.

And with all this talk about the 16-50 being weak at 16mm...I like it because its wicked good in the middle focal lengths even wide open (which admittedly is still slow).

100% landscape crop of portrait oriented image, discards about 75% of entire image
100% landscape crop of portrait oriented image, discards about 75% of entire image

The A6000 delivers this type of image quality at 100% crop at ISO 800 with a kit lens near wide open. This is why its my favorite kit lens to date. And using Capture One is an absolute pleasure as well. Like I said my copy delivers at all focal lengths above 16mm...and at 16mm its really a 14-15mm fisheye...not really a big deal to me.
I'll find out about that soon enough, picking up a used 1650 to-day for $150. I'll check it out for de-centering first before handing over the cash.

But really we're in the realm of cheap lenses here. Sony does good job with distortion correction, especially on this one. If it wasn't for that, it would be unusable.

Others have said that Fuji and Samsung offer better kit lenses. I know the Samsung 20-50 is good...got one. But Samsung also sells another 16-50 lens which is $800...and you get what you pay for. If Sony was more serious about APS-C cameras, they would be giving us some new high quality small lenses. Fuji, Samsung, Panasonic and Olympus are doing that.

I'm looking forward to trying my new 1650. All in the interest of smallness. I already have the smallest, the O. bodycap lens on my 5R now. It orks brilliantly with a new setting which I've discovered. Anyway, it's all good fun.
 

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