Microdrive users BEWARE!!! (long)

I never bought one directly from IBM. My IBM microdrive came from MicroTech. My other two microdrives were from Iomega.

None of them had ESD bags. They all came in some sort of protective plastic case.

Moral: hang onto that original packaging.
Not true. Quote the website: (
http://www.storage.ibm.com/warranty/arma25.htm )

"Drives must be returned in IBM approved packaging. If possible
return the drive in the original IBM packaging."

The IBM Microdrive which I purchased (from IBM's online store) came
sealed in an ESD bag.

Sorry that you voided the warranty. That really does suck. I for
one will now be very careful returning any defective electrostatic
sensative electronics to their Original Equipment Manufacturers
(never had to do that before). Thanks for the heads up. I think I
threw out my original IBM packaging for my 340MB Microdrive a long,
long time ago. But then again, I think my warranty has probably
expired a long time ago. Ah well, it has gone through quite some
time, and if it fails, I'll have an excuse to upgrade to 1GB.
-Mike
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http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
Yeah, OK. Protecting themselves from the idiots of the world.

I was trying to figure out how somebody could use this to take
advantage of the company . . . that's where I was coming up
empty-handed.
... "never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity". ;-)
 
I have a boat anchor of a 75GB IDE drive because the same damn thing. Device is dead, send it to them, and get it back with a note 'sorry, yer screwed'

Very frustrating. They don't make it very prominant either when you're sending your drives in.

And I work for them.
 
Why deal with IBM directly?
This is exactly the point I wanted to make, but it looks like hyslopc beat me to it by about 45 minutes. ;-) Find a good reseller who can deal with you on a personal basis, and who has experience dealing with their suppliers. I've had one microdrive develop a bad sector while it was still under warranty. I brought it to the place I purchased it from (Henry's in Toronto), talked to the same fellow I always do business with (Patrick) and he took care of everything: took the bad one, and gave me a replacement drive on the spot. End of story. I'm back in business, and the store will now go through their process of dealing with a repair depot, their distributor, directly with IBM, whatever... point is, they took care of it for me.

Sometimes it is good to deal directly with a supplier. I work for a telco, and we do millions of dollars of business with IBM every year. We have the attention of an account team, their boss, their boss' boss, and their boss' boss' boss. As an individual, you don't have that kind of clout with a large organization like IBM. So you can either campaign and escalate to make your voice heard (which can work), or you can deal with your friendly local camera shop and let them be your customer service interface.
 
I have a boat anchor of a 75GB IDE drive because the same damn
thing. Device is dead, send it to them, and get it back with a
note 'sorry, yer screwed'
Sort or makes sense for an IDE drive though . . . exposed printed circuit board on the reverse side, meant to be installed in a grounded case.

Makes no sense to me at all with a MD meant to be handled repeatedly on a daily basis.

Not only has this thread made me think less of IBM and their products . . . it has completed the total underming of any confidence in the enitire concept of a MD.

CF cards for me . . . I'll stick to them.
 
I bought it on-line and they would not accept it. They sent me directly to IBM. Once I established the RMA with IBM... pdq ;-), they have the serial number for the drive. That serial number is no longer under warranty. Tech Support basically admitted to me that the warranty dept. is a whole other department and they hardly ever see them reverse a warranty void. The tech guys were very nice, even sympathetic. But when I would say, as I did to the supervisor of tech support, "is there any possibility for recourse?" he said, "I don't know of any."

yer pal™,
Scooter
 
Hmmm, does anybody know guys who are REALLY good at forging serial numbers on the back of small electronic devices? ;)
I bought it on-line and they would not accept it. They sent me
directly to IBM. Once I established the RMA with IBM... pdq ;-),
they have the serial number for the drive. That serial number is
no longer under warranty. Tech Support basically admitted to me
that the warranty dept. is a whole other department and they hardly
ever see them reverse a warranty void. The tech guys were very
nice, even sympathetic. But when I would say, as I did to the
supervisor of tech support, "is there any possibility for
recourse?" he said, "I don't know of any."
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http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
I think the main problem/worry with bubble-wrap is static electricity, NOT physical damage to the drive.

CF is just as suscpetible to that as microdrive are.
Makes no sense to me at all with a MD meant to be handled
repeatedly on a daily basis.

Not only has this thread made me think less of IBM and their
products . . . it has completed the total underming of any
confidence in the enitire concept of a MD.

CF cards for me . . . I'll stick to them.
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The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
IBM are known for bad service I wont buy anything from them ever again either so they lose in the long run and as they appear not to know Bad news travels faster than good.

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Well, this thread cinches it for me.
I have a D60 on order.
I know Microdrives are comparably more fragile than CF cards.
I was still considering getting one.
However, given the lack of commitment IBM is demonstrating to
customer satisfaction as evident in this thread I'll focus on CF cards.

If I could find out if there is anyone responsible for customer
satisfaction at IBM I would communicate this to them.
As it is, I will NOT be purchasing an IBM Microdrive.
IBM will get along fine without my business and I won't have
to worry about their 'fineprint'.

-Framus
I'm not saying that the RMA site you went to had those warnings,
just relating my experience.

IBM could learn a thing or 2 from Dell and Compaq. With Dell and
Compaq, you call them, explain the problem, then they ship you the
replacement, you ship them back the defective unit in the packaging
that THEY used.
Zero hassle.

14 day turnaround for a SCSI drive out of a production DB server?
Geez....

Thank goodness for RAID5
If you have an IBM Microdrive and you EVER have a problem with it,
please read this.
And then, I open the package (an envelope with MY original bubble
wrap, not a box). Included is the original microdrive and this
note: Your drive failed to meet the IBM packaging requirements,
therefore, the RMA has been REJECTED and your entitlement to a
replacement drive has been VOIDED. PLEASE DO NOT SEND THE DRIVE
BACK TO US BECAUSE THIS DRIVE IS NO LONGER UNDER WARRANTY AND IF
YOU DO, WE WILL RETURN YOUR DRIVE AND YOU WILL BEAR ALL SHIPPING
COST. We will not send you a replacement drive.
 
I am in the process of purchasing 1GB MD. Should I reconsider and stick with CF? Are there any similar stories of sudden drive failure??
If you have an IBM Microdrive and you EVER have a problem with it,
please read this.

And please note, I have reviewed this post three times to make sure
it is as accurate as possible, considering the lesson I learned
with embellishment this week. :-) But dang it, I?m very angry with
IBM. Please read on and forgive the length.

I got a 1 gig Microdrive about two months ago. Within a month it
started acting up and eventually failed completely. I called the
Customer Service number and spoke with a really nice guy who gave
me these specifics: 1.) Your warranty is valid, 2.) Go on-line
and establish an RMA Number (something to do with the replacement
request), 3.) Ship to this address and 4.) Be sure to include
your RMA number, part number (which is wrong on my Microdrive and I
had to get the right part number from the rep. Apparently IBM
mis-labled many microdrives) and serial number. Do NOT forget the
RMA number in your letter THAT IS MOST IMPORTANT! (He reiterated
that).

I followed those instructions, carefully packed the microdrive in
two layers of bubble wrap, placed in a durable envelope, taped it
secure and as far as I was concerned, I did exactly what I was told.

This to me is THE most important point. In the e-mail I received
once I requested the RMA number, this line appears: ?Please be
aware that you may experience a delay in receiving your
replacement disk drive based on stock availability. If product is
available, your replacement order will be processed within 14
working days after the receipt of your defective disk drive.?

That tells me that typically, IBM will opt to replace the item
rather than attempt to repair it.

Well, I got a card today telling me that I had to go to UPS to pick
up my package from IBM. They ignored my shipping address. I
simply had to drive across town and pick it up. Okay, no problem.
And then, I open the package (an envelope with MY original bubble
wrap, not a box). Included is the original microdrive and this
note: Your drive failed to meet the IBM packaging requirements,
therefore, the RMA has been REJECTED and your entitlement to a
replacement drive has been VOIDED. PLEASE DO NOT SEND THE DRIVE
BACK TO US BECAUSE THIS DRIVE IS NO LONGER UNDER WARRANTY AND IF
YOU DO, WE WILL RETURN YOUR DRIVE AND YOU WILL BEAR ALL SHIPPING
COST. We will not send you a replacement drive.

Folks, please note the word "replacement"!

I?m out some $350.00 because the dead drive that I was sending in
wasn?t packaged correctly. Now, I look at the e-mail I originally
received, at the VERY BOTTOM is a note about packaging and a link
to a site that apparently will tell me what "proper" packaging is.
I fully acknowledge now, that I didn?t do this properly. But, this
is what really angers me. The returned drive? It was shipped to
me the EXACT same way I shipped it to them. They shipped it in a
paper envelope, in the same bubble wrap. The very curt letter
never uses words like, ?we regret to inform you? or
?unfortunately?. It just says, basically, ?we gotcha?.

Yes, I should have read EVERY SINGLE WORD of the e-mail. But am I
crazy? if they are saying that the way they will fix this problem
is by sending a new microdrive, and the fact that I took pains to
package this carefully, am I crazy for feeling a little screwed?
Couldn?t the customer service rep have given me a heads up about
the danger of improper packaging? Wouldn?t this have been a
little kind? Couldn?t the e-mail have mentioned this at the
beginning or at least emphasized this? If my packaging is the
equivalent of their packaging, is this a way for them to get out of
a certain percentage of warranties? What if I might be able to get
someone to fix this thing but it got screwed up because of they way
THEY sent it back?

I blew it, I see that now. But I feel like I was given as many
possible opportunities to blow it and IBM hoped I would. I will
NEVER do business with them again. EVER! I am so mad about this.

Folks, read EVERY SINGLE WORD when it comes to warranties, even
when it applies to ?reputable? companies like IBM. If there is any
possibility of getting out of their responsibility, they will.

Ugh. Thanks for reading.

Yer pal?,
Scooter
 
I don't believe anyone ever claimed MDs were as dependable as CF cards.

They are attractive from the POV of cost/megabyte of storage. They are IMO unattractive from every other aspect.

Certainly they can not stand the hard knocks in the field that CF cards take with ease.

I'll stick with the cards but, depending on your needs, requiremenrts and finances, YMMV.
 
I've been thinking about buying more storage, so it would probably be IBM Micro drive. I was wondering what the heat, vibration, humid could do to the MD in case I travel to different country. Now I'd stay away from the MD too.

I've only interested in that MD because if I have a defective one after fair amount of usage, I could take it a part and look inside to see how it looks like :-). (I've opened quite many full size - laptop size hard drives)

Thanh
I'll stick with a nice fast and reliable CF card thank you. Glad
this came to light. I've been hammered on by several friends that
swear by the MicroDrives, but I think I'll just stay away from them
thank you....
 
I will never (well until the pain stops :-) use a MD again.

Steven
If you have an IBM Microdrive and you EVER have a problem with it,
please read this.

And please note, I have reviewed this post three times to make sure
it is as accurate as possible, considering the lesson I learned
with embellishment this week. :-) But dang it, I?m very angry with
IBM. Please read on and forgive the length.

I got a 1 gig Microdrive about two months ago. Within a month it
started acting up and eventually failed completely. I called the
Customer Service number and spoke with a really nice guy who gave
me these specifics: 1.) Your warranty is valid, 2.) Go on-line
and establish an RMA Number (something to do with the replacement
request), 3.) Ship to this address and 4.) Be sure to include
your RMA number, part number (which is wrong on my Microdrive and I
had to get the right part number from the rep. Apparently IBM
mis-labled many microdrives) and serial number. Do NOT forget the
RMA number in your letter THAT IS MOST IMPORTANT! (He reiterated
that).

I followed those instructions, carefully packed the microdrive in
two layers of bubble wrap, placed in a durable envelope, taped it
secure and as far as I was concerned, I did exactly what I was told.

This to me is THE most important point. In the e-mail I received
once I requested the RMA number, this line appears: ?Please be
aware that you may experience a delay in receiving your
replacement disk drive based on stock availability. If product is
available, your replacement order will be processed within 14
working days after the receipt of your defective disk drive.?

That tells me that typically, IBM will opt to replace the item
rather than attempt to repair it.

Well, I got a card today telling me that I had to go to UPS to pick
up my package from IBM. They ignored my shipping address. I
simply had to drive across town and pick it up. Okay, no problem.
And then, I open the package (an envelope with MY original bubble
wrap, not a box). Included is the original microdrive and this
note: Your drive failed to meet the IBM packaging requirements,
therefore, the RMA has been REJECTED and your entitlement to a
replacement drive has been VOIDED. PLEASE DO NOT SEND THE DRIVE
BACK TO US BECAUSE THIS DRIVE IS NO LONGER UNDER WARRANTY AND IF
YOU DO, WE WILL RETURN YOUR DRIVE AND YOU WILL BEAR ALL SHIPPING
COST. We will not send you a replacement drive.

Folks, please note the word "replacement"!

I?m out some $350.00 because the dead drive that I was sending in
wasn?t packaged correctly. Now, I look at the e-mail I originally
received, at the VERY BOTTOM is a note about packaging and a link
to a site that apparently will tell me what "proper" packaging is.
I fully acknowledge now, that I didn?t do this properly. But, this
is what really angers me. The returned drive? It was shipped to
me the EXACT same way I shipped it to them. They shipped it in a
paper envelope, in the same bubble wrap. The very curt letter
never uses words like, ?we regret to inform you? or
?unfortunately?. It just says, basically, ?we gotcha?.

Yes, I should have read EVERY SINGLE WORD of the e-mail. But am I
crazy? if they are saying that the way they will fix this problem
is by sending a new microdrive, and the fact that I took pains to
package this carefully, am I crazy for feeling a little screwed?
Couldn?t the customer service rep have given me a heads up about
the danger of improper packaging? Wouldn?t this have been a
little kind? Couldn?t the e-mail have mentioned this at the
beginning or at least emphasized this? If my packaging is the
equivalent of their packaging, is this a way for them to get out of
a certain percentage of warranties? What if I might be able to get
someone to fix this thing but it got screwed up because of they way
THEY sent it back?

I blew it, I see that now. But I feel like I was given as many
possible opportunities to blow it and IBM hoped I would. I will
NEVER do business with them again. EVER! I am so mad about this.

Folks, read EVERY SINGLE WORD when it comes to warranties, even
when it applies to ?reputable? companies like IBM. If there is any
possibility of getting out of their responsibility, they will.

Ugh. Thanks for reading.

Yer pal?,
Scooter
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Call them and ask to talk to a superior. Keep at it till you get satisfaction. I went through that with Viewsonic with a monitor that was sent back to me unrepaired and with Olympus who sent back a digital camera that was unrepaired. I got satisfaction. I just had to dig a little and demand a lot. IBM is a big outfit. You were dealing with someone who had some ego on the line and thought he would score some points. His boss or his boss's boss will make it right for you.

--
Dave Lewis
 
Another lesson here is that CF cards like the IBM MD have MOVING
PARTS and are FRAGILE.
They are. Not to a really great extent, but they are.
If IBM won't honor the warranty even though
it's shipped in BUBBLE wrap -- what does that tell you?
It tells you they have blanket requirements for how everything labeled "hard disk" is shipped.
Every time you remove that MD from the camera you squeeze the package.
If you do it that way, yes. Personally I pull at the edges, regardless of what type of media I use, solid state or MD.
That's one of the primary reasons for failure.
Do you have actual numbers on this? I suspect G forces during read/write cycles or surface coating problems (especially in older drives) would be more likely candidates.
Granted IBM is holding
your feet to the fire here, but the next time you purchase a CF
card, GET SOLID STATE MEMORY.
If it's cost efficient, definitely. MD's have a very low failure rate these days. Most points of failure have been addressed, and the relatively few that fail usually do it right away and get replaced under warranty. If they're packaged correvtly that is, I personally find this whole incident to be rather ridiculous ...
It's not a question of IF your MD will fail...just WHEN it will fail.
It's not a matter of IF your insert electronic device here - including solid state CF and digital cameras will fail ... just WHEN it will fail. Nothing different about MD's here. Arguments against a device because it has moveable parts would exclude all digital cameras from consideration as well. They're likely to be more fragile than MD's.

Don't decide against an MD on the sole premise that it will fail or has moveable parts. All electronics will fail, inclusive. Nor because it is more fragile then solid state. It is, but not sufficiently to matter under normal use while it is in the camera, and due to the high capacity you're likely to handle it less.

The largest risks for your cards and camera are likely to be when replacing and handling cards in the field. You expose your camera and cards to your environment and risk dropping something - like the camera. Larger capacity allows you to do that less and lowers your risk.

Weigh your uses against the price difference. I decided on an MD because the risk is negligible; I always keep the card in the camera, never taking it out, and I stay away from vibrating and low pressure environments.

If I was depending on my camera for my living I may not want to take the minimal chance that something happens, but the risk is low enough that I would use it for once in a lifetime vacation photographs.

--
Jesper
 
I am in the process of purchasing 1GB MD. Should I reconsider and
stick with CF? Are there any similar stories of sudden drive
failure??
First of all, this failure wasn't sudden. The disk is still readable, and would have been replaced if the warranty dept. didn't have that stick up it's ... well, you know what I mean. And anyway, now you know how to package it in the unlikely event it fails so the story won't repeat.

No, MD's are not as reliable as solid state. If you juggle with them, drop them a lot on concrete, or play maracas with your camera while it's saving photos it will die, probably very quickly.

If you're a bit cautious, like you are with your camera, it will last you a long time. In most modern cameras 1GB is enough that you never have to take the MD out in the field. This means it gets as much abuse as your camera. As long as you take care of your camera, you will be ok.

When you're at home, treatment is not as critical. Preferably don't drop it and keep it either in the camera or in a reader and it's safe. I ordered a "media safe" in aluminum with padding to keep my CF cards, including my MD, when they're not in use. At $10 this is is a good safeguard, even for solid state cards.

In short, weigh the benefits (low cost, lots of space, unlikely to ever have to take it out of the camera) against the risks (more fragile when outside the camera). My personal conslusion was to go with an MD.

--
Jesper
 
I forgot to take my CF out of my pan pocket once.

The whole thing went to laundry. I washed it, dried it without knowing my card was there. A week later, I found my CF card in my pocket again. Put it into my Casio Pocket PC E125, the mp3 files, dictionary, all are still INTACT. I can read, write, format, even make it as an IDE drive for my embedded Windows box.

Consider the water, the detergent, the heat when you do laundry, and the electro statics your cloth create that you need to have the anti statics papers.

All viewable damage was that the paper sticker on the drive got really blurr.

Thanh Tran
safe. I ordered a "media safe" in aluminum with padding to keep my
CF cards, including my MD, when they're not in use. At $10 this is
is a good safeguard, even for solid state cards.
 

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