Michael Reichman bashing.

[Tim C.]

lol

by not posting to it I guess...



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[ioannis]

Well I hoped the 1DII had been released earlier so that people would shoot rather than bash/unbash.

With my limited knowledge about photography I have to say that I dont see the luminous-landscape website and MR's posts as politically correct sites. And they don't have to be. Nobody forced you to go there. If you think he is owned don't read his posts. He certainly has a swagger that comes with the confidence of so many people who are well thought off at any profession. Man and I thought such issues were only present at the Digitial Rebel/300D forum ! Having said that, Phil's, Dave's and Jeff's review on the digital Rebel were much more enthusiastic about than Michael Reichman's was.

In his 1DII review he mentions he switched to Canon because their telephoto lens selection was broader and better and that he still likes Nikon bodies.

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Yiannis

Dignity consists not in possessing honors, but in the consciousness that we deserve them. Aristotle

 

[Mitch Conner]

Well nobody forces MR to post here. He feels all of DPR has been taken over ("hijacked") by dark forces. O.K.

So, I didn't start this thread but I'll see it to its finish. The thread is off-topic but DPR is structured so that you can easily avoid what you don't like. I don't like seeing unfounded attacks against Phil coming from MR. We'll see how it goes in the future.

He seems to have a lot of emotions for an anti-PC type:

"Yes, my feeling are hurt, but not because of the rudness and snide comments which abound here. Rather, because of what I see as the dumbing down of the photographic community. Instead of constructive dialog we have name calling and attempts at verbal one-upmanship.

My editorial was intended to try and throw some light on the fact that not one person on this board responded to my C-8080 review with anything other than personal jibes. No one said why they disagreed with my findings, but rather, like children in a schollyard, they simply called me names and said they didn't like what I'd said.

I've been participating on the forums of this web site since it was founded. For the first couple of years as people were attempting to learn about this new technology there was lots of interesting and constructivly argumentative discussion.

Now the camera discussion sections have become dominated by just the sort of people that I wrote about in my essay. That's why I wrote it, and that's why I don't respond to many threads here.

The insults don't upset me, but it's sad to see the lack of intellectual rigor, curiousity and good will that once was here, but which now has been overwhelmed by the pixel peepers and magical thinkers."

Well I hoped the 1DII had been released earlier so that people
would shoot rather than bash/unbash.

With my limited knowledge about photography I have to say that I
dont see the luminous-landscape website and MR's posts as
politically correct sites. And they don't have to be. Nobody forced
you to go there. If you think he is owned don't read his posts. He
certainly has a swagger that comes with the confidence of so many
people who are well thought off at any profession. Man and I
thought such issues were only present at the Digitial Rebel/300D
forum ! Having said that, Phil's, Dave's and Jeff's review on the
digital Rebel were much more enthusiastic about than Michael
Reichman's was.

In his 1DII review he mentions he switched to Canon because their
telephoto lens selection was broader and better and that he still
likes Nikon bodies.

--
Yiannis

Dignity consists not in possessing honors, but in the consciousness
that we deserve them. Aristotle

 

[ioannis]

Do you know what the relationship between Phil and MR is? Are you sure it is what you say it is?

I think the man is entitled to his beliefs and it for us to judge who is right and who is wrong on a specific issue. They aren't right all the time, they cant be and I dont think they say they are. I dont think Phil can do anything about these personal attacks either and I dont see what service these attacks these threads and this tone of personal issues have anything to offer.

He has a swagger? What respected photographer or what respected professional you know who are not so sure of themselves?

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Yiannis

Dignity consists not in possessing honors, but in the consciousness that we deserve them. Aristotle

 

[Mitch Conner]

Do you know what the relationship between Phil and MR is?

I CAN GUESS.

Are you

sure it is what you say it is?

NO

I think the man is entitled to his beliefs and it for us to judge
who is right and who is wrong on a specific issue.

YEP. BUT I DON'T CARE WHAT MR SAYS ABOUT CAMERAS OR PHOTOGRAPHY - I HAVE ANOTHER ISSUE.

They aren't

right all the time, they cant be and I dont think they say they
are.

I DON'T EXPECT PHIL TO BE RIGHT ALL THE TIME BUT AT LEAST HE TRIES.

I dont think Phil can do anything about these personal attacks

either and I dont see what service these attacks these threads and
this tone of personal issues have anything to offer.

ATTACK, DISCUSSION, CONVERSATION - ALL THE SAME DEAL.

He has a swagger? What respected photographer or what respected
professional you know who are not so sure of themselves?

SURE OF HIMSELF, CONFIDENT - THAT WOULD DESCRIBE PHIL, PROBABLY. HE SPENDS A LOT OF TIME RESEARCHING AND THEN DRAWS CONCLUSIONS AND PRESENTS RESULTS. RATHER LIKE A DISPASSIONATE ENGINEER. THIS IS CONTRASTED TO SOMEBODY WHO EXERTS LESS EFFORT AND IS PRONE TO MORE EMOTIONAL, SNAP JUDGMENTS.

SWAGGER? THAT'S YOUR WORD. THAT'S NOT A COMPLIMENT, ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR APPEALS TO SOME.

"swag·ger ( P ) Pronunciation Key (swgr)
v. swag·gered, swag·ger·ing, swag·gers
v. intr.

To walk or conduct oneself with an insolent or arrogant air; strut.
To brag; boast.

v. tr.
To browbeat or bully (someone).

n.
A swaggering movement or gait.
Boastful or conceited expression; braggadocio."

 

[Tim C.]

Mitch Conner is OBSESSED with Michael Reichmann. He constantly tries to materialize something that does not exist: MR bashing Phil Askey or Phil Askey bashing MR. He is hell bent on making Phil Askey look like the saint.

Check the following links to the thread that Mitch has participated in. They are all about MR. Note the volume of his posts in EACH thread:

"Forgot to mention before that MR's site is conspicuously absent from the links list. I wonder why.

http://www.dpreview.com/misc/links.asp

MR had his review up first and he's proud of that but I don't see why that's a big deal."

"MR appears not to be. For some, that's a turn-off.

So for me there's no need to discuss it further."

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=7312652

"Phil is a bigger man than MR - I don't think anyone would dispute that. Do you think Phil lurks on other photography websites in order to engage in arguments? Phil, as Atlanta, Georgia once claimed, is "too busy to hate".

MR might be a professional but he displays a lack of professionalism when he attacks his competitors."

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=7421090

"All hail MR! Lead us the way! Even we knowledgeable photogs are surprised at your scholarship! Show us more!

Nikon loans Phil cameras but not MR? I wonder why."

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=8439970

Do I detect a trend here from Mitch? And going against the rules regarding continually bashing a product or company that contributes nothing to photography equipment?

Re: rule about bashing

"Bashing - Deliberately and repeatedly bashing the same brand, product or company will get you banned. If you have a complaint or comment to make then make it once and make sure you have facts to support it. See first rule."

It'd be a good idea to move on Mitch. This cannot be good for your health.

Tim C.

 

[Mitch Conner]

Well I think you've shown support for the idea that I have expressed an interest in MR's writings but that was already manifest. You would need to go two steps further - first, show a preoccupation with this issue and then show an excessive preoccupation, or an obsession. You could research what percentage of my posts deal with MR, for example. You're welcome to try this but I think you overestimate the interest level that people have on this subject.

Phil has never "bashed" MR and I don't think anybody is suggesting that.

I've been in "respond-only" mode for a while now on this thread. I've pointed out before that it is off-topic. I think if you stopped posting, it would probably die a natural death. However, I'll be around to answer any further posts (at least until the warden tranfers me back to "C" Block - they won't even have dial-up access over there until next month).

Mitch Conner is OBSESSED with Michael Reichmann. He constantly
tries to materialize something that does not exist: MR bashing Phil
Askey or Phil Askey bashing MR. He is hell bent on making Phil
Askey look like the saint.

Check the following links to the thread that Mitch has participated
in. They are all about MR. Note the volume of his posts in EACH
thread:

"Forgot to mention before that MR's site is conspicuously absent
from the links list. I wonder why.

http://www.dpreview.com/misc/links.asp

MR had his review up first and he's proud of that but I don't see
why that's a big deal."

"MR appears not to be. For some, that's a turn-off.

So for me there's no need to discuss it further."

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=7312652

"Phil is a bigger man than MR - I don't think anyone would dispute
that. Do you think Phil lurks on other photography websites in
order to engage in arguments? Phil, as Atlanta, Georgia once
claimed, is "too busy to hate".

MR might be a professional but he displays a lack of
professionalism when he attacks his competitors."

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=7421090

"All hail MR! Lead us the way! Even we knowledgeable photogs are
surprised at your scholarship! Show us more!

Nikon loans Phil cameras but not MR? I wonder why."

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=8439970

Do I detect a trend here from Mitch? And going against the rules
regarding continually bashing a product or company that contributes
nothing to photography equipment?

Re: rule about bashing

"Bashing - Deliberately and repeatedly bashing the same brand,
product or company will get you banned. If you have a complaint or
comment to make then make it once and make sure you have facts to
support it. See first rule."

It'd be a good idea to move on Mitch. This cannot be good for your
health.

Tim C.

 

[ioannis]

Firstly I ve cut your CAPS, because reproducing them would just be reproducing your yells.

I think that many of the most talented people (but unfortunately not only them) have a swagger which I can overlook due to their remarkable achievements and talent. That is not to say that I like it. But discrediting their work because of a tone of an essay or because of their character is a pathetic form of expression of envy. It is also your right to feel anyway you want to.

Yiannis

Dignity consists not in possessing honors, but in the consciousness that we deserve them. Aristotle

 

[Mitch Conner]

Well, if you look at the context of the posts I made with caps you might be able to think of another reason why I did that. So, I know that all caps can be used as yelling but that's not how I meant it. If you think about it, your first guess would be the correct answer, most likely.

I don't think MR's talent justifies his behavior, you do. That's cool. I don't think I'm discrediting his "work" as a whole. I am ignorant of the "remarkable achievements" he has made. If he were contributing in an important field, as Jonas Salk did, I might feel differently.

If the cost of helping to improve MR is you looking down upon me, I'm willing to pay that price.

Firstly I ve cut your CAPS, because reproducing them would just be
reproducing your yells.

I think that many of the most talented people (but unfortunately
not only them) have a swagger which I can overlook due to their
remarkable achievements and talent. That is not to say that I like
it. But discrediting their work because of a tone of an essay or
because of their character is a pathetic form of expression of
envy. It is also your right to feel anyway you want to.

Yiannis

Dignity consists not in possessing honors, but in the consciousness
that we deserve them. Aristotle

 

[Mitch Conner]

Thanks for granting me the right to feel the way I want. I'll exercise my new-found rights soon.

And you're right about the envy. Sometimes I DO wish I was 60 year Canadian.

Firstly I ve cut your CAPS, because reproducing them would just be
reproducing your yells.

I think that many of the most talented people (but unfortunately
not only them) have a swagger which I can overlook due to their
remarkable achievements and talent. That is not to say that I like
it. But discrediting their work because of a tone of an essay or
because of their character is a pathetic form of expression of
envy. It is also your right to feel anyway you want to.

Yiannis

Dignity consists not in possessing honors, but in the consciousness
that we deserve them. Aristotle

 

[Davidk]

Jeez, you just keep going don't you. No life, no wife, no kids, to take your mind off your obsession. I mean it - you really need to get out - take a break.

And now you're bashing Canadians - you've got troubles - get help. At the very least, get off DPR, please. Between you and Scooter I can't decide who posts the most obnoxious, meaningless drivel. Davidk

And you're right about the envy. Sometimes I DO wish I was 60 year
Canadian.

Firstly I ve cut your CAPS, because reproducing them would just be
reproducing your yells.

I think that many of the most talented people (but unfortunately
not only them) have a swagger which I can overlook due to their
remarkable achievements and talent. That is not to say that I like
it. But discrediting their work because of a tone of an essay or
because of their character is a pathetic form of expression of
envy. It is also your right to feel anyway you want to.

Yiannis

Dignity consists not in possessing honors, but in the consciousness
that we deserve them. Aristotle

 

[Teski]

And now you're bashing Canadians - you've got troubles - get help.
At the very least, get off DPR, please. Between you and Scooter I
can't decide who posts the most obnoxious, meaningless drivel.
Davidk

And you're right about the envy. Sometimes I DO wish I was 60 year
Canadian.

Firstly I ve cut your CAPS, because reproducing them would just be
reproducing your yells.

I think that many of the most talented people (but unfortunately
not only them) have a swagger which I can overlook due to their
remarkable achievements and talent. That is not to say that I like
it. But discrediting their work because of a tone of an essay or
because of their character is a pathetic form of expression of
envy. It is also your right to feel anyway you want to.

Yiannis

Dignity consists not in possessing honors, but in the consciousness
that we deserve them. Aristotle

 

[Mitch Conner]

What's that aboot? I was born near Quebec and I still have relatives there but I'm without the benefit of single payer mental health care. I was pointing out that I don't want to be one Canadian in particular. I don't think that's bashing. Give MR a chance to improve. It will take a while to see if he is more circumspect.

And now you're bashing Canadians - you've got troubles - get help.
At the very least, get off DPR, please. Between you and Scooter I
can't decide who posts the most obnoxious, meaningless drivel.
Davidk

And you're right about the envy. Sometimes I DO wish I was 60 year
Canadian.

Firstly I ve cut your CAPS, because reproducing them would just be
reproducing your yells.

I think that many of the most talented people (but unfortunately
not only them) have a swagger which I can overlook due to their
remarkable achievements and talent. That is not to say that I like
it. But discrediting their work because of a tone of an essay or
because of their character is a pathetic form of expression of
envy. It is also your right to feel anyway you want to.

Yiannis

Dignity consists not in possessing honors, but in the consciousness
that we deserve them. Aristotle

 

[ioannis]

And now you're bashing Canadians - you've got troubles - get help.
At the very least, get off DPR, please. Between you and Scooter I
can't decide who posts the most obnoxious, meaningless drivel.
Davidk

And you're right about the envy. Sometimes I DO wish I was 60 year
Canadian.

Firstly I ve cut your CAPS, because reproducing them would just be
reproducing your yells.

I think that many of the most talented people (but unfortunately
not only them) have a swagger which I can overlook due to their
remarkable achievements and talent. That is not to say that I like
it. But discrediting their work because of a tone of an essay or
because of their character is a pathetic form of expression of
envy. It is also your right to feel anyway you want to.

Yiannis

Dignity consists not in possessing honors, but in the consciousness
that we deserve them. Aristotle

--
Yiannis

Dignity consists not in possessing honors, but in the consciousness that we deserve them. Aristotle

 

[Mitch Conner]

No. I revealed my country of birth. That's new. Canada rules.

And now you're bashing Canadians - you've got troubles - get help.
At the very least, get off DPR, please. Between you and Scooter I
can't decide who posts the most obnoxious, meaningless drivel.
Davidk

And you're right about the envy. Sometimes I DO wish I was 60 year
Canadian.

Firstly I ve cut your CAPS, because reproducing them would just be
reproducing your yells.

I think that many of the most talented people (but unfortunately
not only them) have a swagger which I can overlook due to their
remarkable achievements and talent. That is not to say that I like
it. But discrediting their work because of a tone of an essay or
because of their character is a pathetic form of expression of
envy. It is also your right to feel anyway you want to.

Yiannis

Dignity consists not in possessing honors, but in the consciousness
that we deserve them. Aristotle

--
Yiannis

Dignity consists not in possessing honors, but in the consciousness
that we deserve them. Aristotle