Mac vs. Windows

Your post processing software might run on both operating systems. However, the monitor you want to run and the printer you might want to use might not fit well with one or the other setup.
Can you elaborate a bit more?
He shouldn’t. As seen just the other day, this isn't a topic he's well versed on:

Are there lots of mainstream printers that are supported on one platform but not the other?
Good question. I think we both know the answer.
Similarly, I was under the impression that most monitors work equally well with both.
Well DO take the display path into consideration! They are not all equal. Especially if you strive for a high bit display path where the OS, video card, application and display all play a role.
Are there monitors that require bundled software for advanced features where the software is only available for one platform?
Yes, early on. And there have been for decades display systems that require their own host software driving the calibration process. Start with a PressView, move to Barco, Sony Artisan, Eizo/SpectraView for some examples.
Do the monitors not work at all under the other platform, or do you still have basic functionality?
They still emit an image yes. Ideally? No.
 
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Obviously, if you buy an app like Lightroom, Photoshop, etc., it includes support for a number of different camera RAW formats.

I know the Mac includes support for various RAW formats without requiring an additional purchase. The built in "Photos" app can read and process various RAW formats, and can save them out as a JPEG.
That raw support is built directly into the OS! Kind of like how the Mac has had OS direct color management for decades. Comes in handy for customers that care about images and image color.
 
I use both Macs an PC's (Win 7-64) at work everyday. I have a couple Macbook Pro's for my office, I use a self build Windows graphics workstation at home. At work most all of my design for print (inDeign, Illustrator, PhotoShop, Acrobat) and photo editing (Capture One, PS & LR) is done on iMacs. Animation (Maya, Mudbox, 3d Studio Max), motion graphics (After Effects and some Cinema 4d), and video editing takes place on Windows workstations, with a few MacPros running Final cut. The audio guys seem to be using mostly PC's (probably different than industry trends) for q-Base and Pro Tools. The web designer/app developers seem split down the middle with a bunch of Linux fans sprinkled on top.

I find the Windows interface to be a little more efficient for file management and program navigation. I also like the access to gaming keyboards and mice for running macros in Max, Maya, Premeire and AE. I also like the way that with Windows I can assign processes to cores, so I can assign a AE render to using 4 processor cores and save two for designing stills in PS. It also is way easier to render farm with Windows boxes, so when someone is out sick or at a conference we just add their machine to the farm.

OTH, I think that OS x is a bit more stable over the long term, although a well executed Windows 7 build can be very, very stable. Windows machines seem to like to be formatted and rebuilt every couple of years to maintain optimal performance.

For consumers, I think things are a little different. Many/most off the shelf Windows PC's com stuffed with bloatware and spyware and should really be reformatted before being put to use, the work around is to use a quality local clone builder or self build.

OTOH, the Apple users seem more than happy to share any/all of their information with their beloved Apple and as such are spoon fed into the app store where they gleefully type in their credit card numbers and are happy to know that iTunes is spying on their playing habits to that the iTunes store can make better choices on what music and movies to convince them to buy.

Windows Pros
  • sheer power for the buck, OTOH lately apple has gotten much more competitive
  • more/cheaper/diverse accessory choices
  • easier to upgrade/repair
  • more/better/diverse SW and freeware, especially in games
Windows Cons
  • bloat/nag/spyware from the factory
  • more viruses/malware
  • lose stability over time
Mac Pros
  • less viruses
  • stability over time
  • elegant designs
  • can better sync across devices, if you want to live in their ecosystem
  • Apple stores and Applecare support
Mac Cons
  • expensive computers
  • expensive accessories
  • hard to upgrade/repair
  • less SW choice, especially in gaming
Linux Pros
  • Stable, functional, extendable
  • virtually no viruses
  • Rabidly dedicated support community that will dedicate themselves to solve virtually any problem
Linux Cons
  • no support for many/most of the coolest apps (PS, AE, MAx, Maya, etc) :-((
Wow! That is a very impressive and fair post from a professional who uses whatever hardware and software tools help him get the work done with minimal or no bias.


John1940
 
I use both Macs an PC's (Win 7-64) at work everyday. I have a couple Macbook Pro's for my office, I use a self build Windows graphics workstation at home. At work most all of my design for print (inDeign, Illustrator, PhotoShop, Acrobat) and photo editing (Capture One, PS & LR) is done on iMacs. Animation (Maya, Mudbox, 3d Studio Max), motion graphics (After Effects and some Cinema 4d), and video editing takes place on Windows workstations, with a few MacPros running Final cut. The audio guys seem to be using mostly PC's (probably different than industry trends) for q-Base and Pro Tools. The web designer/app developers seem split down the middle with a bunch of Linux fans sprinkled on top.

I find the Windows interface to be a little more efficient for file management and program navigation. I also like the access to gaming keyboards and mice for running macros in Max, Maya, Premeire and AE. I also like the way that with Windows I can assign processes to cores, so I can assign a AE render to using 4 processor cores and save two for designing stills in PS. It also is way easier to render farm with Windows boxes, so when someone is out sick or at a conference we just add their machine to the farm.

OTH, I think that OS x is a bit more stable over the long term, although a well executed Windows 7 build can be very, very stable. Windows machines seem to like to be formatted and rebuilt every couple of years to maintain optimal performance.

For consumers, I think things are a little different. Many/most off the shelf Windows PC's com stuffed with bloatware and spyware and should really be reformatted before being put to use, the work around is to use a quality local clone builder or self build.

OTOH, the Apple users seem more than happy to share any/all of their information with their beloved Apple and as such are spoon fed into the app store where they gleefully type in their credit card numbers and are happy to know that iTunes is spying on their playing habits to that the iTunes store can make better choices on what music and movies to convince them to buy.

Windows Pros
  • sheer power for the buck, OTOH lately apple has gotten much more competitive
  • more/cheaper/diverse accessory choices
  • easier to upgrade/repair
  • more/better/diverse SW and freeware, especially in games
Windows Cons
  • bloat/nag/spyware from the factory
  • more viruses/malware
  • lose stability over time
Mac Pros
  • less viruses
  • stability over time
  • elegant designs
  • can better sync across devices, if you want to live in their ecosystem
  • Apple stores and Applecare support
Mac Cons
  • expensive computers
  • expensive accessories
  • hard to upgrade/repair
  • less SW choice, especially in gaming
Linux Pros
  • Stable, functional, extendable
  • virtually no viruses
  • Rabidly dedicated support community that will dedicate themselves to solve virtually any problem
Linux Cons
  • no support for many/most of the coolest apps (PS, AE, MAx, Maya, etc) :-((
Wow! That is a very impressive and fair post from a professional who uses whatever hardware and software tools help him get the work done with minimal or no bias.

John1940
Well thank you sir. I do have some biases, but I try to check them at the door when answering a post such as this. Quite frankly, I am not very fond of either Microsoft or Apple on a whole. I think that both companies have little concern for what is in their customer's best interests. My heart probably lies with Linux, but w/o native support for my apps... Suffice it to say that their is little time to be worrying about matters of the heart when producing content on a deadline.

In the end, the OS matters little to me as the vast majority of my time is spent running the apps, not the OS functions.
 
I have used both Windows (almost all versions) and OS X extensively. I switched from Mac to Windows for a couple of reasons. One was that OSX was not supporting 10bit color displays. Recent versions of OS X appararently support 10bit color.

I am not a fan of Apple hardware. If I were able to install OS X on my favorite hardware (my custom built syustem), I would have not hesitated to abandon Windows and move back to OS X. Windows is sometimes so frustrating.
 
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I have used both Windows (almost all versions) and OS X extensively. I switched from Mac to Windows for a couple of reasons. One was that OSX was not supporting 10bit color displays. Recent versions of OS X appararently support 10bit color.
Tell me. How has ten bit display affected your editing work flow? I sometimes obsess that banding will show on my prints, (of course, it seldom does) and have sometimes gone to great lengths to remove it.

Banding also seldom seems to show on consumer grade monitors by the time I down sample, convert to sRGB and post to the web.
I am not a fan of Apple hardware.
But it sure is purdy. I try and remind myself of that every time I have to swivel my iMac around just to plug in a flash drive.

;-)
If I were able to install OS X on my favorite hardware (my custom built syustem), I would have not hesitated to abandon Windows and move back to OS X.
Chances are that you can.
Windows is sometimes so frustrating.
I find the win7-64 user experience to be a little nicer, but do appreciate the more solid architecture of OSx.
 
Works great and still does way more than I will EVER need for personal use.

Newer is NOT always better.
 
I have no patience with Windows. It’s is slow, very slow, even when run on latest hardware. And I don’t mean slow as in using some program. I mean clicking around quickly causes it to freeze and hang up for second. It happens on every machine. On older hardware especially laptops, Windows completely goes down to a crawl. I can’t click around to do simplest tasks fast like switching programs and launching any application because Windows slows me down.

Macs have edge on speed, and simplicity. Backups and restore are so easy to use, even a chimp can figure it out. And it is handy from time to time. You buy a new Mac, all you do is restore everything from a backup drive. All your settings, feelings, and files get restored flawlessly, zero mistakes.

Installing many programs on Mac does not decrease its performance, it keeps running the same speed the day you bought it. On windows, it gets crippled to a complete halt. Then you have to defrag that thing from time to time.

OSX works because it is tuned to work with its hardware. Windows is not timed for anything, it works too hard to appease every hardware manufacturer out there, and that relationship is not good for the end user.
 
I have used both Windows (almost all versions) and OS X extensively. I switched from Mac to Windows for a couple of reasons. One was that OSX was not supporting 10bit color displays. Recent versions of OS X appararently support 10bit color.

I am not a fan of Apple hardware. If I were able to install OS X on my favorite hardware (my custom built syustem), I would have not hesitated to abandon Windows and move back to OS X. Windows is sometimes so frustrating.
If you write hackintosh in your search engine you will find a few interesting forums. ;)
 
I have no patience with Windows. It’s is slow, very slow, even when run on latest hardware. And I don’t mean slow as in using some program. I mean clicking around quickly causes it to freeze and hang up for second. It happens on every machine. On older hardware especially laptops, Windows completely goes down to a crawl. I can’t click around to do simplest tasks fast like switching programs and launching any application because Windows slows me down.

Macs have edge on speed, and simplicity. Backups and restore are so easy to use, even a chimp can figure it out. And it is handy from time to time. You buy a new Mac, all you do is restore everything from a backup drive. All your settings, feelings, and files get restored flawlessly, zero mistakes.

Installing many programs on Mac does not decrease its performance, it keeps running the same speed the day you bought it. On windows, it gets crippled to a complete halt. Then you have to defrag that thing from time to time.

OSX works because it is tuned to work with its hardware. Windows is not timed for anything, it works too hard to appease every hardware manufacturer out there, and that relationship is not good for the end user.
It is far from slow when just clicking around. It is post like these that give people a bad impression of windows if they do not know any better and you if they do.

MAC is perfect and Windows is horrible. Point taken ROFL.
 
I have no patience with Windows. It’s is slow, very slow, even when run on latest hardware. And I don’t mean slow as in using some program. I mean clicking around quickly causes it to freeze and hang up for second. It happens on every machine.
What.. every machine. Clearly you are misinformed and have an axe to grind.
On older hardware especially laptops, Windows completely goes down to a crawl. I can’t click around to do simplest tasks fast like switching programs and launching any application because Windows slows me down.
Old low performance hardware can't be expected to work well.
Macs have edge on speed, and simplicity. Backups and restore are so easy to use, even a chimp can figure it out. And it is handy from time to time. You buy a new Mac, all you do is restore everything from a backup drive. All your settings, feelings, and files get restored flawlessly, zero mistakes.
It doesn't take an Einstein to backup a PC. It could be a problem for those who are challenged by simple chores.
Installing many programs on Mac does not decrease its performance, it keeps running the same speed the day you bought it. On windows, it gets crippled to a complete halt. Then you have to defrag that thing from time to time.
Nonsense.
OSX works because it is tuned to work with its hardware. Windows is not timed for anything, it works too hard to appease every hardware manufacturer out there, and that relationship is not good for the end user.
This summary just reeks of total technical incompetence.
 
Macs have edge on speed, and simplicity. Backups and restore are so easy to use, even a chimp can figure it out. And it is handy from time to time. You buy a new Mac, all you do is restore everything from a backup drive. All your settings, feelings, and files get restored flawlessly, zero mistakes.
It doesn't take an Einstein to backup a PC. It could be a problem for those who are challenged by simple chores.
I've been trying to learn more about Windows and where it is similar to Mac OS-X and where it is different.

It would be great if you could provide an overview of the backup functionality that comes with Windows.

My young son is running Windows 10, and I would like to get him to start backing up his machine. His current strategy is to keep things in the cloud, and then reinstall from scratch if there's a problem. I'm not convinced that this is the best long term strategy.

Installing many programs on Mac does not decrease its performance, it keeps running the same speed the day you bought it. On windows, it gets crippled to a complete halt. Then you have to defrag that thing from time to time.
Nonsense.
While it may be nonsense, it certainly is a popular belief. I have lots of non technical friends with Windows computers. If the computer is performing slowly, their first question is usually "do I have too many programs installed? Should I delete some?"

Any thoughts as to where this myth originated? Was there ever a time when too many installed programs was as issue? Perhaps in some early version of Windows?
 
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Macs have edge on speed, and simplicity. Backups and restore are so easy to use, even a chimp can figure it out. And it is handy from time to time. You buy a new Mac, all you do is restore everything from a backup drive. All your settings, feelings, and files get restored flawlessly, zero mistakes.
It doesn't take an Einstein to backup a PC. It could be a problem for those who are challenged by simple chores.
I've been trying to learn more about Windows and where it is similar to Mac OS-X and where it is different.

It would be great if you could provide an overview of the backup functionality that comes with Windows.
This is what comes with windows: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17143/windows-10-back-up-your-files

I use Shadow Protect to handle incremental backups on multiple drives to a RAID system. My backup needs go way beyond what any built in backup provides on Mac or Windows.
My young son is running Windows 10, and I would like to get him to start backing up his machine. His current strategy is to keep things in the cloud, and then reinstall from scratch if there's a problem. I'm not convinced that this is the best long term strategy.
Installing many programs on Mac does not decrease its performance, it keeps running the same speed the day you bought it. On windows, it gets crippled to a complete halt. Then you have to defrag that thing from time to time.
Nonsense.
While it may be nonsense, it certainly is a popular belief. I have lots of non technical friends with Windows computers. If the computer is performing slowly, their first question is usually "do I have too many programs installed? Should I delete some?"

Any thoughts as to where this myth originated? Was there ever a time when too many installed programs was as issue? Perhaps in some early version of Windows?
This was a problem years ago especially with limited drive space. I can't remember the last time I was the least worried about it. It was a concern for me back in the old WIndows 3 era.
 
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Macs have edge on speed, and simplicity. Backups and restore are so easy to use, even a chimp can figure it out. And it is handy from time to time. You buy a new Mac, all you do is restore everything from a backup drive. All your settings, feelings, and files get restored flawlessly, zero mistakes.
It doesn't take an Einstein to backup a PC. It could be a problem for those who are challenged by simple chores.
I've been trying to learn more about Windows and where it is similar to Mac OS-X and where it is different.

It would be great if you could provide an overview of the backup functionality that comes with Windows.
This is what comes with windows: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17143/windows-10-back-up-your-files

I use Shadow Protect to handle incremental backups on multiple drives to a RAID system. My backup needs go way beyond what any built in backup provides on Mac or Windows.
My young son is running Windows 10, and I would like to get him to start backing up his machine. His current strategy is to keep things in the cloud, and then reinstall from scratch if there's a problem. I'm not convinced that this is the best long term strategy.
Installing many programs on Mac does not decrease its performance, it keeps running the same speed the day you bought it. On windows, it gets crippled to a complete halt. Then you have to defrag that thing from time to time.
Nonsense.
While it may be nonsense, it certainly is a popular belief. I have lots of non technical friends with Windows computers. If the computer is performing slowly, their first question is usually "do I have too many programs installed? Should I delete some?"

Any thoughts as to where this myth originated? Was there ever a time when too many installed programs was as issue? Perhaps in some early version of Windows?
This was a problem years ago especially with limited drive space. I can't remember the last time I was the least worried about it. It was a concern for me back in the old WIndows 3 era.
I 2nd this about old windows 3 and performance. It is one of the reasons I went to Linux in the mid to late nineties. Windows performance including booting up is fine now but some are probably still putting to many programs in their startup programs at login. At work I do this with Skype but took Outlook out.

This practice of putting to many programs in your startup menu does slow down the computer when 1st logging in but once they are all running, things return to normal. I personally prefer to start things in the priority I think I need them. And with only Skype starting up, my bootup to desktop screen time is equal to any Linux install I have previously used.
 
I have no patience with Windows. It’s is slow, very slow, even when run on latest hardware. And I don’t mean slow as in using some program. I mean clicking around quickly causes it to freeze and hang up for second. It happens on every machine.
What.. every machine. Clearly you are misinformed and have an axe to grind.
On older hardware especially laptops, Windows completely goes down to a crawl. I can’t click around to do simplest tasks fast like switching programs and launching any application because Windows slows me down.
Old low performance hardware can't be expected to work well.
Macs have edge on speed, and simplicity. Backups and restore are so easy to use, even a chimp can figure it out. And it is handy from time to time. You buy a new Mac, all you do is restore everything from a backup drive. All your settings, feelings, and files get restored flawlessly, zero mistakes.
It doesn't take an Einstein to backup a PC. It could be a problem for those who are challenged by simple chores.
Installing many programs on Mac does not decrease its performance, it keeps running the same speed the day you bought it. On windows, it gets crippled to a complete halt. Then you have to defrag that thing from time to time.
Nonsense.
OSX works because it is tuned to work with its hardware. Windows is not timed for anything, it works too hard to appease every hardware manufacturer out there, and that relationship is not good for the end user.
This summary just reeks of total technical incompetence.
What are you talking about?

Listen, I used to build PC’s from scratch and hack the life out of Windows to make it work the way I wanted it to work. If there is one OS I’m most familiar with, it’s the Windows. I’m the official friends and family tech support guy when it comes to saving them from Windows troubles.

Windows is a problematic OS, it always has been. I’m glad that I abandoned it for personal use.

To properly speed up Windows you have to FIRST delete all the crapware that comes loaded by default by ALL PC vendors. It’s a tedious process, because there is a ton of crapware. Secondly, you need to permanently disable half of Windows services and disable most if not all startup items. And please don’t install antivirus software. I know ou can’t live without it, trust me don’t install it, it’s crapware that slows your PC down to a complete crawl. Practice good judgement with email and internet.
 
I have no patience with Windows. It’s is slow, very slow, even when run on latest hardware. And I don’t mean slow as in using some program. I mean clicking around quickly causes it to freeze and hang up for second. It happens on every machine.
What.. every machine. Clearly you are misinformed and have an axe to grind.
On older hardware especially laptops, Windows completely goes down to a crawl. I can’t click around to do simplest tasks fast like switching programs and launching any application because Windows slows me down.
Old low performance hardware can't be expected to work well.
Macs have edge on speed, and simplicity. Backups and restore are so easy to use, even a chimp can figure it out. And it is handy from time to time. You buy a new Mac, all you do is restore everything from a backup drive. All your settings, feelings, and files get restored flawlessly, zero mistakes.
It doesn't take an Einstein to backup a PC. It could be a problem for those who are challenged by simple chores.
Installing many programs on Mac does not decrease its performance, it keeps running the same speed the day you bought it. On windows, it gets crippled to a complete halt. Then you have to defrag that thing from time to time.
Nonsense.
OSX works because it is tuned to work with its hardware. Windows is not timed for anything, it works too hard to appease every hardware manufacturer out there, and that relationship is not good for the end user.
This summary just reeks of total technical incompetence.
What are you talking about?
I'm Just stating the facts of Windows today. You appear to have little current experience and knowledge with Windows now.
Listen, I used to build PC’s from scratch and hack the life out of Windows to make it work the way I wanted it to work. If there is one OS I’m most familiar with, it’s the Windows. I’m the official friends and family tech support guy when it comes to saving them from Windows troubles.
You are making assumptions based on old history. Please don't try to help people here because you are misleading them.
Windows is a problematic OS, it always has been. I’m glad that I abandoned it for personal use.
Not anymore.
To properly speed up Windows you have to FIRST delete all the crapware that comes loaded by default by ALL PC vendors. It’s a tedious process, because there is a ton of crapware. Secondly, you need to permanently disable half of Windows services and disable most if not all startup items. And please don’t install antivirus software. I know ou can’t live without it, trust me don’t install it, it’s crapware that slows your PC down to a complete crawl. Practice good judgement with email and internet.
Don't listen to anything this fellow says. It's almost all old information and incorrect.
 
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Listen, I used to build PC’s from scratch and hack the life out of Windows to make it work the way I wanted it to work. If there is one OS I’m most familiar with, it’s the Windows. I’m the official friends and family tech support guy when it comes to saving them from Windows troubles.

Windows is a problematic OS, it always has been. I’m glad that I abandoned it for personal use.

To properly speed up Windows you have to FIRST delete all the crapware that comes loaded by default by ALL PC vendors. It’s a tedious process, because there is a ton of crapware. Secondly, you need to permanently disable half of Windows services and disable most if not all startup items. And please don’t install antivirus software. I know ou can’t live without it, trust me don’t install it, it’s crapware that slows your PC down to a complete crawl. Practice good judgement with email and internet.
Juts the fact that you use the word hack for something as simple as uninstalling software proves your incompetence. Give it a rest, you are in way over your head and embarrassing yourself.
 
If I am understanding the Microsoft help file, the built in functionality only backups files in a user’s home folder. It does not backup applications, system files, or various configuration documents.

In other words, the Windows backup is for user data, and designed for situations where a user deletes or otherwise loses one or more files. It is not inteded for a complete system restore, as it doesn’t include system files and applications.

The Mac Time Machine system incorporates that functionality, but also backups the entire disk. The Mac system can be used to competely restore the OS, applications, user files, and anything else on the HD.

It’s quite possible I have misunderstood the Windows documention. Can someone with a bit more knowledge provide an overview of what the Windows backup actually does and what sorts of situations it can resolve?

Does it only save the most recent backup of a file? Does it retain older versions? How long does it keep older versions for?
 
If I am understanding the Microsoft help file, the built in functionality only backups files in a user’s home folder. It does not backup applications, system files, or various configuration documents.

In other words, the Windows backup is for user data, and designed for situations where a user deletes or otherwise loses one or more files. It is not inteded for a complete system restore, as it doesn’t include system files and applications.

The Mac Time Machine system incorporates that functionality, but also backups the entire disk. The Mac system can be used to competely restore the OS, applications, user files, and anything else on the HD.

It’s quite possible I have misunderstood the Windows documention. Can someone with a bit more knowledge provide an overview of what the Windows backup actually does and what sorts of situations it can resolve?

Does it only save the most recent backup of a file? Does it retain older versions? How long does it keep older versions for?
Here is something that is probably more to your interest. I have used Windows for years and to be able to explain all the ins and outs of backups and restores is asking a lot.

You should really get on your sons machine, set him up a good backup routine for his files and then follow this to have good restore points for the whole system.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17127/windows-back-up-restore
 
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If I am understanding the Microsoft help file, the built in functionality only backups files in a user’s home folder. It does not backup applications, system files, or various configuration documents.

In other words, the Windows backup is for user data, and designed for situations where a user deletes or otherwise loses one or more files. It is not inteded for a complete system restore, as it doesn’t include system files and applications.

The Mac Time Machine system incorporates that functionality, but also backups the entire disk. The Mac system can be used to competely restore the OS, applications, user files, and anything else on the HD.

It’s quite possible I have misunderstood the Windows documention. Can someone with a bit more knowledge provide an overview of what the Windows backup actually does and what sorts of situations it can resolve?

Does it only save the most recent backup of a file? Does it retain older versions? How long does it keep older versions for?
Here is something that is probably more to your interest. I have used Windows for years and to be able to explain all the ins and outs of backups and restores is asking a lot.

You should really get on your sons machine, set him up a good backup routine for his files and then follow this to have good restore points for the whole system.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17127/windows-back-up-restore
Thanks for that link. Clearly this is not the thread to discuss all the ins and outs of Windows Backup. I’m just trying to get a handle on an overview.

Is there a way to set it up so that it automatically backups everything in a daily basis? The goal is that if the HD dies, one can easily restore everything as of yesterday?
 

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