Long "list" .... but Sigma not yet on it ...

What chances does Canon have, coming out with entry-level 400D,
totally unsealed, etc.?
The A100, D80, 400D have set a new baseline for what most consumers
will expect from a $800-$1k camera in terms of
price/features/performance. This looks to be a replay of Photokina
2002 (e.g., D60/D100/S2/SD9) when the SD9 finally shipped only with
Sony replacing Fuji. 4 new cameras roughly head-to-head.

Can Sigma match (or come close enough to) the body features of the
NiCanSon trio? Most people (& reviews) will probably see a 5X3
sensor as roughly the same as the 10MP CFA for in-camera JPEGs
(echoing the relative performance of the SD9 vs. the 6MP
competition.) Two of the major SD9 limitations (raw-only and ISO
400 limit) should be addressed.

To the faithful here, the X3 advantages alone may be enough. But
will there be something else to draw the uninitiated or
system-switchers so as to do better than the SD9 did vs. the
competition? Is SD9-level of success good enough?
You ask a lot of good questions here... unfortunately we dont know the answers yet.... :)

But Mr. Yamaki did say that there will be a "WOW-factor" in the new camera. Here´s the link to the "famous"
interview..

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1027&message=18586561&q=yamaki&qf=m
And no.... the SD9 level of success is not "good enough" .
We might be faithfull here , but..... our faith might have a limit ....
--
Frits Thomsen
See my pictures at
http://www.pbase.com/yoicz

 
...and just "showing up" with the new SD without any pre-Photokina announcement is just the way to do it.
--
My humble photo gallery: http://ntotrr.smugmug.com

 
I like the second one the best
Yes, it's a pretty good one for here, isn't it. Of course, we wouldn't want to identify the barkers ;).

Mr. Gecko has it right: 'want a bug' . Really laughed on that one....

Best, Rick,

Clive
 
I think the Gecko's better.

:)
thanks to both,

Clive
Brilliant Insight...We need more like this. Mr. Gecko nominates
you for "Sigma Poster Emeritus"

R
--
See Mr. Gecko full size at:
http://www.pbase.com/rickdecker/image/61996346

See Sigma Lens Tests At:
http://www.lightreflection.com/sigmalenstests/matrix.htm



Powered by Sigma......
Empowered by Foveon

http://www.lightreflection.com
http://www.silveroaksranch.com
http://www.pbase.com/rickdecker
--
Chunsum.

Put your soul behind the view finder.

http://www.chunsum.com
http://www.pbase.com/chunsum
http://www.pbase.com/sigmadslr/chunsum_choi
 
It's a requiem for the end of the season for the Rangers as they're always out by this time of year. (:
but it will be different next year ):>
--
Barry Byrd
http://www.pbase.com/barryb
 
...and just "showing up" with the new SD without any pre-Photokina
announcement is just the way to do it.
I still think they are BLOWING it ...

IF the SD10 was still in production ... (or still in stock, and selling) .... I could easily understand (and agree with) a decision not to pre-announce; it would indeed kill ongoing sales of the SD10.

BUT ... that is not an issue. They have been sold-out for a long time now.

They have nothing to gain, by delaying an announcement.

Even some/many of the die-hard supporters in this forum have jumped-ship.

So they can only lose; the gain would be by a more definitive announcement .... OF SOME KIND.

--
Thanks for reading .... JoePhoto

( Do You Ever STOP to THINK --- and FORGET to START Again ??? )
 
I gave up hope of a new Sigma DSLR and bought the KM 7D just last week. If there was an announcement from Sigma with some basic info & specs onthe new DSLR, I'd have definitely waited for it.

Now I am in dilemma... I do hope more info comes soon - before my 30-day return for the 7D is up.

Sigh!
I still think they are BLOWING it ...

IF the SD10 was still in production ... (or still in stock, and
selling) .... I could easily understand (and agree with) a decision
not to pre-announce; it would indeed kill ongoing sales of the
SD10.

BUT ... that is not an issue. They have been sold-out for a long
time now.

They have nothing to gain, by delaying an announcement.

Even some/many of the die-hard supporters in this forum have
jumped-ship.

So they can only lose; the gain would be by a more definitive
announcement .... OF SOME KIND.
 
Two of the major SD9 limitations (raw-only and ISO
400 limit) should be addressed.
And a multitude of other problems. I have seen quite a few cameras
including mine that failed around 12000. Also how about a decent AF
for one. The sd cameras are not even at the baseline n80 nikon
level. Add to that exposure, wacky color, violent mirror slap that
causes mirror return problems etc etc.

I really hope they fix all this stuff this time around and give us
a good solid high end body.
To the faithful here, the X3 advantages alone may be enough. But
will there be something else to draw the uninitiated or
system-switchers so as to do better than the SD9 did vs. the
competition? Is SD9-level of success good enough?
The SD9 was a total hack job, and some of the things I have found
out about it lately from unnamed people really surprized me. If i
would have known the body had those sorts of issues, I would have
thought twice about buying one. The chip and the IQ are first rate
and nothing IMO surpasses it and the only chip I would ever be
happy with, but the last two bodies were just not even close to
what they should have been.

I have heard rumors that the new camera is going into a completly
new body and if they do it right and think ahead it should be
really nice. I am still waiting on that pro level high MP camera

Better yet is I would prefer a Foveon chip in an F5 or similar
body. I would love to see what a foveon chip could do behind the
17-55 and 70-200 VR Nikon lenses.
If Sigma thinks they can show up with a new camera that has body features of the early '80s, then sorry Mr. Y, keep it in the box for another 1-2 years and adjust your moving target yet again until you can atleast bring it into the late '90s.

My SD10 stays relatively dust-free just from the mirror slap alone! I mean, like, if I was Foveon and lets just say that all the limitations of the current sensor were now solved and performed as well as C or N, and Sigma comes out with something like the SD10's half-baked body features yet again then I'd be looking for a new camera partner. They may be able to sell a few to the converted here, including me, but all they'll hear is crickets and a big yawn from everyone else next month. It needs to be a complete package. I love the simplicity and ease of use of the SD10 but the other body features now have to complement the class of this new Foveon sensor(s). Perhaps they'll come out with 2 models, one prosumer 1.3 or 1.5x crop body and another FF pro body, maybe that's why it has taken so long.

I hope they do "Wow" us some time soon but I'm willing to wait until they get it right only because nothing else out there comes close to Foveon resolution. I think Bayer technology has topped out and run it's course and there wont be any further real improvements, so if they have to delay a while longer, it wont make much difference now.
 
I couldnt agree more. The best feature of the SD9 hack was that it metered outside the frame.

Even though a pro sealed body would be sweet, I would settle for another industrial attempt with still raw only, 5fps, 20 shot burst, metal tough as nails body and a fast nikon pro like AF. Of course none of their lenses can keep up with a fast AF.

The first person I heard speak of the violent mirror slap problem was Rachael Katz. She got her hands on several cameras, doing conversions where the mirror did not return to the same place every time. Unfortunately I seem to have one of those now. Frustrating.

--
http://www.troyammons.com
http://www.pbase.com/tammons
http://www.troyammons.deviantart.com
 
...and just "showing up" with the new SD without any pre-Photokina
announcement is just the way to do it.
I still think they are BLOWING it ...

IF the SD10 was still in production ... (or still in stock, and
selling) .... I could easily understand (and agree with) a decision
not to pre-announce; it would indeed kill ongoing sales of the
SD10.
BUT ... that is not an issue. They have been sold-out for a long
time now.
Cameta camera has been selling at least two SD10 per week on ebay for the past couple of months.
They have nothing to gain, by delaying an announcement.

Even some/many of the die-hard supporters in this forum have
jumped-ship.

So they can only lose; the gain would be by a more definitive
announcement .... OF SOME KIND.

--
Thanks for reading .... JoePhoto

( Do You Ever STOP to THINK --- and FORGET to START Again ??? )
--
http://www.pbase.com/tucsondave
 
The anticipation is KILLING me ....
Well, it's about to get much worse. Sigma just launched a new "teaser" website. Hope you like flash animations.

http://www.sigma-sd14.com/

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0608/06082901sigmasd14.asp
(I need a doctor)
Tell him your symptoms have changed. You've gone from worrying about "will they or won't they" to "what will they do".

Behold the power of people named Joe. It wasn't till one of us posted about wanting a Sigma announcement that it actually happened.

--
The Pistons led the NBA, and lost in the playoffs.
The Red Wings led the NHL, and lost in the playoffs.

It's up to the Tigers now...
Leading the league, and going all the way!

Ciao!

Joe

http://www.swissarmyfork.com
 
Unless Sigma managed to get their hands on a processor that could do about 80 megapixels/sec (and even Nikon's and Canon's biggest are down around 60-65mp/s) that would mean the SD14 would be the slowest camera in the industry.

Besides, I don't think they can do 14mp and be anywhere near the pixel size of the current camera. Even if they decreased the crop to 1.5x, that's only 4.1mp at the current pixel pitch. They'd have to cut the pitch just about in half (and light gathering area to 1/4 of the current sensor) to make 14mp. Unless Foveon performed miracles in noise control, that wouldn't be an acceptable low light camera.

--
The Pistons led the NBA, and lost in the playoffs.
The Red Wings led the NHL, and lost in the playoffs.

It's up to the Tigers now...
Leading the league, and going all the way!

Ciao!

Joe

http://www.swissarmyfork.com
 
Unless Sigma managed to get their hands on a processor that could
do about 80 megapixels/sec (and even Nikon's and Canon's biggest
are down around 60-65mp/s) that would mean the SD14 would be the
slowest camera in the industry.

Besides, I don't think they can do 14mp and be anywhere near the
pixel size of the current camera. Even if they decreased the crop
to 1.5x, that's only 4.1mp at the current pixel pitch. They'd have
to cut the pitch just about in half (and light gathering area to
1/4 of the current sensor) to make 14mp. Unless Foveon performed
miracles in noise control, that wouldn't be an acceptable low light
camera.

--
Assume that they've done some miracles with the second generation x3 chip (patents indicate they were working in that direction). Get the crop to 1.3. You get decent sized photosites at 12-18 MP density. And---you could always use that setting for the good light, and use VPS to bin for lower light.

That's not going to be the chip in this camera. But it'd make a nice follow-up. But you're right---they'd need some hefty processing to keep up. But I think there was a patent or paper on an approach for that as well...

--
Jim
 
...to 100% for a new camera!

Someone at Sigma must be reading this forum!!! Good job, Sigma!!!

Now, the $64 million question: what is the resolution? Hmmm... SD10 was 3.4 x 3 or 10.2M photosensors, does that imply that SD14 will be 14.2M photosensors or 4.2 x 3?

How about... 14.2M x 3 for 42M photosensors??? Hey, I can dream, can't I.

BTW, Lawrence et al, does the news blurb qualify for 'official announcement from Sigma Japan'? :-)

--
'Do you think a man can change his destiny?'
'I think a man does what he can until his destiny is revealed.'
 
Why do XF3 raw images have to be processed sequentially? After all, unlike Bayer sensors, photosites aren't dependent on the value of neighboring photosites for their values.

Why couldn't Sigma use more than one processor to process the signal in parallel? Maybe use three of 'em... one for each color?

Three of the current processors used in the SD10 have got to be a lot cheaper than three brand-new, super-fast processors... and with some smart programming you could cut the time considerably. (I'm sure three faster versions of the current processor are probably cheaper than one super-fast new processor, also.)

In short, adding more buffer memory and a couple of processors, and some smart software engineering could make the SD14 a very fast camera indeed.

--
'Do you think a man can change his destiny?'
'I think a man does what he can until his destiny is revealed.'
 

Keyboard shortcuts

Back
Top