LIghtroom? Arrrrghhh!!!

[Patco]

Now, I when I upload my SD card from the 5Div, Lightroom displays all the image files in a completely random sequence instead of arranging them sequentially from the 1st image made to the last one. What idiot came up with THAT stupid idea??? Why in Niepce's name would anyone want to review the results of their "shoot" like a box of unnumbered slides spilled all over their desk?

Would it not be simpler and quicker to just change the sort to what you want, rather than posting a rant in a forum?

When I bought my wine fridge, it wasn't set at my preferred temperature, but I didn't make a scene about it. ;-)

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Patco
A photograph is more than a bunch of pixels

 

[kelpdiver]

I ended up buying LR because everyone was extolling its Develop module's virtues, and that includes a professional that I highly respect. Yes, Canon does provide DPP free, and I may end up being forced it, although I've never particularly liked it.

if you're using the Develop module, don't see the point of TIFF conversion. You can jump over to PS at any point for an image.

 

[CAcreeks]

In either case you might consider that a change to another program is not free. Both apps you named are not cheap to license, and it will take time and effort to master them (and money if you do not want to rely on free help here)

Darkroom, and digiKam I've heard, are excellent Raw converters with DAM. Both are free open-source applications. I run Darkroom on Linux and like it a lot.

RawTherapee is another free Raw converter that I find quite intuitive, although it has many features that I should learn more about! I run RT on Linux and like it a lot.

Based on Fujifilm X-Trans, RT does a better job of Raw conversion than Lightroom, although Lightroom is the 800 pound gorilla in the room.

I'm still baffled that Landscaper thought Photoshop was intuitive. Wow! I had to read several books to get started.

 

[landscaper1]

I'm still baffled that Landscaper thought Photoshop was intuitive. Wow! I had to read several books to get started.

Everybody's brain is "wired" a little differently than everyone else's. I'm quite sure some of those commenting in this thread would find some program "intuitive" that would just leave me baffled.

Which just illustrates a point. One should never assume that one's own experience will necessarily be the same for everyone else.

 

[kelpdiver]

I'm still baffled that Landscaper thought Photoshop was intuitive. Wow! I had to read several books to get started.

Everybody's brain is "wired" a little differently than everyone else's. I'm quite sure some of those commenting in this thread would find some program "intuitive" that would just leave me baffled.

Which just illustrates a point. One should never assume that one's own experience will necessarily be the same for everyone else.

Yet the thrust of your argument has been that this setting in LR should have been intuitive for you. Now you say we're all different. And yes, that's absolutely correct.

And why software comes with manuals.

I doubt PS was intuitive for anyone, but after using it for years, it's familiar, and then it's easy to confuse that with intuitive.

 

[mrkalntms]

Lightroom is unlike most other Mac and Windows apps in that many of its commands can be invoked by a single key press rather than a Command- or Control-key combination, so it is trivially easy to hit a key, or even a series of keys, at the wrong time and set into motion a cascade of application commands which can, at best, flip a bunch of confusing view options without warning, or, at worst, reject or hide images. I've been using this software since version 1.0 and I still manage to do this from time to time. At least once per editing session I will click on, say, the White Balance temperature field and type "4750" without realizing that my initial click didn't register, and then watch with annoyance as whatever image was selected in the Filmstrip has these things happen to it in rapid succession:

• It gets rated Four Stars
• It gets its Color Label changed to Yellow
• It gets rated Five Stars
• It gets rated Zero Stars, and POOF, it vanishes because I'm viewing a Smart Album configured to hide images with 1 star or fewer

Then I have to hit Undo a bunch of times, or, if I didn't notice what happened soon enough, track down the vanished image in whichever Library folder it resides, and remove the Yellow label and change its rating back to whatever it was before, and now I'm quite annoyed at myself and at Adobe for having made this software work this way.

It is just as trivially easy to accidently hide or reveal the Toolbar (from which many people change the Sort Order) by hitting the "T" key at the wrong time.

It gets worse, but I won't go into it because despite there being a lot of RAW editors on the market now, really none do as much or as well as Lightroom, despite several being arguably better at certain things, meaning that Adobe effectively has no meaningful competition, and I say this as someone who bought Aperture 1 when it still cost $500, and who has had a Capture One Pro licence since v8.

To make matters worse, Lightroom doesn't allow you change its keyboard commands unless you know to seek out and install an obscure third-party plug-in, and even then some commands remain forever unchangeable.

So to me, telling someone to RTFM is just a little arrogant and disingenuous.

Now, I when I upload my SD card from the 5Div, Lightroom displays all the image files in a completely random sequence instead of arranging them sequentially from the 1st image made to the last one. What idiot came up with THAT stupid idea??? Why in Niepce's name would anyone want to review the results of their "shoot" like a box of unnumbered slides spilled all over their desk?

Would it not be simpler and quicker to just change the sort to what you want, rather than posting a rant in a forum?

When I bought my wine fridge, it wasn't set at my preferred temperature, but I didn't make a scene about it. ;-)

--
Patco
A photograph is more than a bunch of pixels

 

[landscaper1]

Lightroom is unlike most other Mac and Windows apps in that many of its commands can be invoked by a single key press rather than a Command- or Control-key combination, so it is trivially easy to hit a key, or even a series of keys, at the wrong time and set into motion a cascade of application commands which can, at best, flip a bunch of confusing view options without warning, or, at worst, reject or hide images. I've been using this software since version 1.0 and I still manage to do this from time to time. At least once per editing session I will click on, say, the White Balance temperature field and type "4750" without realizing that my initial click didn't register, and then watch with annoyance as whatever image was selected in the Filmstrip has these things happen to it in rapid succession:

• It gets rated Four Stars
• It gets its Color Label changed to Yellow
• It gets rated Five Stars
• It gets rated Zero Stars, and POOF, it vanishes because I have Lightroom configured to hide rejected photos.

It is just as trivially easy to accidently hide or reveal the Toolbar (from which many people change the Sort Order) by hitting the "T" key at the wrong time.

It gets worse, but I won't go into it because despite there being a lot of RAW editors on the market now, really none do as much or as well as Lightroom, despite several being arguably better at certain things, meaning that Adobe effectively has no meaningful competition, and I say this as someone who bought Aperture 1 when it still cost $500, and who has had a Capture One Pro licence since v8.

To make matters worse, Lightroom doesn't allow you change its keyboard commands unless you know to seek out and install an obscure third-party plug-in, and even then some commands remain forever unchangeable.

So to me, telling someone to RTFM is just a little arrogant and disingenuous.

Now, I when I upload my SD card from the 5Div, Lightroom displays all the image files in a completely random sequence instead of arranging them sequentially from the 1st image made to the last one. What idiot came up with THAT stupid idea??? Why in Niepce's name would anyone want to review the results of their "shoot" like a box of unnumbered slides spilled all over their desk?

Would it not be simpler and quicker to just change the sort to what you want, rather than posting a rant in a forum?

When I bought my wine fridge, it wasn't set at my preferred temperature, but I didn't make a scene about it. ;-)

 

[landscaper1]

I'm still baffled that Landscaper thought Photoshop was intuitive. Wow! I had to read several books to get started.

Everybody's brain is "wired" a little differently than everyone else's. I'm quite sure some of those commenting in this thread would find some program "intuitive" that would just leave me baffled.

Which just illustrates a point. One should never assume that one's own experience will necessarily be the same for everyone else.

Yet the thrust of your argument has been that this setting in LR should have been intuitive for you. Now you say we're all different. And yes, that's absolutely correct.

And why software comes with manuals.

I doubt PS was intuitive for anyone, but after using it for years, it's familiar, and then it's easy to confuse that with intuitive.

Kelpy, I was able to figure out, without benefit of a manual, what those menu items across the top of the PS screen and those little buttons down the left side were for, and was able to crop, adjust contrast, select a specific area of the image, and increase saturation on it in the image file I had loaded. Granted, the result wasn't anything I'd print, but it was a pretty fair result for a 1st try.

Now you may doubt I was able to do that, Kelpy, but that's your problem. Unlike you, I will not presume to assess your post processing abilities or experience.

 

[kelpdiver]

Kelpy, I was able to figure out, without benefit of a manual, what those menu items across the top of the PS screen and those little buttons down the left side were for, and was able to crop, adjust contrast, select a specific area of the image, and increase saturation on it in the image file I had loaded. Granted, the result wasn't anything I'd print, but it was a pretty fair result for a 1st try.

Great. Have a lollipop.

Now figure out why your saved jpeg is printing funny (because it used Adobe colorspace instead of sRGB. ) Then figure out what to do about it, just by moving the mouse around to find it.

And then try to figure out how to use adjustment layers. Even with documentation, that's a bear.

An obvious feature with last week's PS CC release is now when you put the cursor over one of the little buttons, a more detailed description box floats up.

Now you may doubt I was able to do that, Kelpy, but that's your problem. Unlike you, I will not presume to assess your post processing abilities or experience.

The problem is that you made your problem our problem. Next time around, I suspect you'll get less help.

 

[mrkalntms]

Less help than "Great. Have a lollipop"? I can hardly imagine it.

The problem is that you made your problem our problem. Next time around, I suspect you'll get less help.

 

[jpr2]

I'm still baffled that Landscaper thought Photoshop was intuitive. Wow! I had to read several books to get started.

Everybody's brain is "wired" a little differently than everyone else's. I'm quite sure some of those commenting in this thread would find some program "intuitive" that would just leave me baffled.

Which just illustrates a point. One should never assume that one's own experience will necessarily be the same for everyone else.

poor statistic - just one additional case, but for me the PS (from the early version #9 aka. CS2, till the PS6, and sadly that experience had ended there due to the subscription model enforced on us) was very intuitive - so much so as to hardly ever necessitating in RTFM).

And that was in a rather stark contrast to the Bridge - which I was never able to force myself to love, or even to like !!

YMMV, but for me the LR contains way too much Bridge's DNA, and is a pretty far cry from PS, alas.

jpr2