Quietly Confident
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I used to have an invertor in my Camper - and I'm pretty sure that it warned against charging such batteries because of the waveform.
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K10D!!! But, *this* is NOT there...
- Thread starter arnelie
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Whilst it is a pity that we lose AA batteries, I think that to get the best performance we need to go with proprietry type batteries.
I have no issues with this
I use the wireless mode with my flashes anyway.
Never used it.
We can use power zoom, but none of the power zoom modes like "zoom clip" and "image size tracking" etc.
I like the 3 colour histogram.
There are so many extra features that I can't remember them all.
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In my studio I have two power packs, and I only need to connect to one of them. The flash triggers the second pack.
So I will try to see if the camera's flash (nowhere near as powerful as studio strobes) will trigger the packs. If not, the good old hot-shoe adapter is a small item and can be locked into place.
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Quietly Confident
Leading Member
possibly - but at only 500 shots per charge from the new battery, it's either no powerhouse, or the k10D has a built in electric coffee percolator.
Yes, it's the only thing that really bothers me about the camera. I suppose I'll just have to use either a radio slave or a hot-shoe adapter.
On the other hand, I've had a lot of situations where the PC connector falls off in the middle of a shoot. With all sorts of cameras.
Perhaps a LOCKABLE hotshoe adapter would be a blessing in disguise?
I agree, though, it's one feature that I would have expected to be on the camera. It's on the D, after all!
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On the other hand, I've had a lot of situations where the PC connector falls off in the middle of a shoot. With all sorts of cameras.
Perhaps a LOCKABLE hotshoe adapter would be a blessing in disguise?
I agree, though, it's one feature that I would have expected to be on the camera. It's on the D, after all!
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Being active in the R/C hobby, I seriously doubt standard LiIon batteries can sustain higher discharge currents than NiMHs from respected brands.
Jens
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So true...
Hm, the jury is still out on that one. I believe Pentax spares some features for the K1D.
Jens
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bigtwins
Active member
Sorry for my stupid question, but whar are the real important differences between the TTL and P-TTL Flash?
What are the limitations of the P-TTL Flash in comparisons of the TTL Flash?
Thanks and regards.
Ezio
pjv363689
Senior Member
Well I'm not a pro, but I still feel that I need a little more than the K100D on one hand (battery grip, VF, extra modes). On the other, there are K100D features that I prefer over the K10D (batteries, size, weight, cost).
I still don't really understand the fuss over a front control dial. If you must remove your finger from the shutter to use it (and I can't imagine comfortably turning it with just my middle finger), then I see little difference over holding a button and turning the rear dial (possibly a fraction easier to find when your eye's at the VF, but not much).
Pete
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pjv363689
Senior Member
I totally agree; especially with eneloops and other 'hybrids' overcoming most of their limitations. If only RCR-CV3's could be fully standardised (instead of the huge variation we see now), and used in more places. Then we'd have the best of both worlds, albeit at a slightly low voltage for some applications.
Pete
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pjv363689
Senior Member
To be fair, I believe they said that that is with 50% flash usage so it's more likely to be 700-800 in practice.
Pete
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GregT
Leading Member
Most photographers I know think about camera settings BEFORE the shot. That way when you frame a shot all you have to concentrate on is the image...not camera settings.
F8 and be there.
Regards,
GregT
F8 and be there.
Regards,
GregT
geoffcole
Senior Member
Thats well understood, and I've posted comments on this point over the past couple of months, but what I think we have to face here is that Pentax have in effect split their current product line into K100D and K110D for novices, amateurs, and travellers/backpackers, and K10D (and forthcoming K1D and 645D) for pros and semi-pros -- so unless Pentax or a third party provides means to use AA/CRV3 form-factors by means of battery-compartment inserts, we as buyers are going to have to take a long hard look at which camp we see ourselves in.
To elaborate:
When members of this forum compiled a wishlist of features to be included in what we now know as the K10D, prominent on the list were small camera with faster AF, quieter AF, in-lens motors, Li-ion battery "like all the other brands", and an "increase in maximum camera voltage" (see copy of list at http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=18544785 ). Although AA retention was also requested, those six core requirements which were requested by more than 50% of respondents effectively eliminated AA and CRV3 cells from the body -- and by extension, the grip. From what is known of competing brands that offer in-lens motors and fast AF systems (Canon and Nikon being prominent), we either know or can infer that:
1) the speed of an AF system is governed by the maximum possible speed of the AF motor, and that is governed by the voltage driving it. Higher voltage is better because it improves AF speed.
2) In-lens motors may require higher voltages to operate at acceptable speeds.
3) A maximum of 2 CRV3 or 4 AA cells can be fitted in the camera' s body. 5 or 6 AAs or 3 CRV3s makes the on-camera grip too large to hold comfortably -- yet those same 5-6 AA or 3 CRV3 cells would be required to provide the higher voltages indicated above.
4) A permanently integrated vertical battery grip for portrait-orientated shots would make the camera too large for the majority of people, and small was considered better -- not to mention the fact that a permanently attached vertical grip would make installing and removing batteries from the body section more difficult.
As such, the only rechargeable battery solution that provides sufficient power while keeping size and weight down is a proprietary Li-ion in the body, with another in the optional grip. What this means in turn is that people looking at the K10D are going to have to decide if the lack of AA is a deal breaker or not. If it is, the K100D, K110D, and earlier models (D, DS, DL, DS2, and DL2) are the only offerings from Pentax that meet their power requirements in standard form. If they choose to jump ship over the AA battery issue, then the only manufacturers that still support AA in current models are Fuji and Sigma; Canon, Nikon, Olympus, and Sony having all gone the proprietary Li-ion route for their re-chargeable battery offerings.
What however remains is the lack of field-available emergency power sources when you standardise on a proprietary rechargeable battery. If the optional grip can take two proprietary batteries rather than one, that goes much further to preventing power outages in the field than just having one battery in the body and one in the grip, and a grip with one battery goes much further than just a battery in the body. The really big downside however is that people can forget to re-charge or they can go on a trip where they're away from mains or vehicle power for an extended period, and as you pointed out, Li-ions do have a finite life of around two to three years and hold less and less voltage and current as time goes by. So whats the fix? Battery-compartment or grip inserts that take stock-standard, long-life disposable AA, CRV3, or CR2 batteries -- which is what Canon and Nikon have both done for selected camera models, and which Pentax should do to fix that hole.
distudio
Senior Member
Some maybe but it's undeniable that it's infinitely more difficult to make more light than to take it away, ie an ND filter can reduce the effective ISO but once it's lost there is no way to make it up. I shoot a lot of concerts and even with 3200 ISO and fast lenses I'm often struggling to attain shutter speeds that will sufficiently freeze the action.
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geoffcole
Senior Member
Not quite. Its true we're stuck with proprietary if we want a K10D, but if a K100D is acceptable, we can use AA.
If we want to jump ship over the issue, Canon, Nikon, Oly, and Sony are all out as they've been proprietary for quite a while now -- which just leaves Fuji and Sigma as the only other brans with in-body AA support.
geoffcole
Senior Member
and as I posted earlier, Li-ion batts "like all the other brands" (read proprietary) were requested in the wishlist that was sent to Pentax.
If anyone reading this did put that down when polled and are raising a fuss about it now, then they've only got themselves to blame.
If anyone reading this did put that down when polled and are raising a fuss about it now, then they've only got themselves to blame.
and AA batteries. I don't plan on getting rid of my D so it would be nice to use the same CF cards and batteries. But SD cards are cheap and I can live with carrying 2 types of batteries.
In any case I think it's a huge hit, I will be buying one.
Les
In any case I think it's a huge hit, I will be buying one.
Les
Have a look at this pic of the left hand side of the camera...
You can clearly see this camera operates at 8.3volts, sorry you can't get that from 4 AA's, any more AA's and the weight and size is going to be an issue.
Times change, earlier cars had 6 volt systems, now they have 12volt, soon they will be 24volt to keep up with thr ever increasing demands of consumers for extras in the cars, GPS, LCD TV, Cold Boxes, Hot Boxes, Massive Stereos, a 12v alternator can only do so much before they have to up the voltage.
Mobile phones, as another example, are getting so complicated that the they have software and get viruses like PC's and like Windows (C) occassionally crash. Think back a few years and if you told someohone your mobile phone crashed and you had to reboot, he would have thought you silly.
This new camera has all the goodies we have been craving and it comes with a cost, it needs more power and the only cost effective and size effective option is to go to Lithium Ion. If there was another option and one that wouldn't hurt the Pentax corp, then the guys with more letters after their name than most of us and get paid a lot more than you and I made the best decision they knew how. Don't go second guessing them.
I do find it strange tha we have been anticipating this camera for such a long time and the minute it turns up we are crapping on it because it is not 110% perfect. You can't make a camera to suit everyone thats why we have different brands and models.
The world is not perfect, we are not perfect, so we make imperfect cameras for imperfect people to try and make perfect pics.
I think less complaints about a camera a lot of us have not even seen with our own eyes or held and more about how we are going to take the best shots we can. Photography is about the photographer not JUST the camera.
I like to see peoples pics they have taken with their PENTAX cameras to inspire me to do better, not their complaints, otherwise we might just start some new forums, Pentax images and Pentax gripes.
More photos guys and gals, that why we bought the camera in the first place.
P.S. Sorry for the rant...(gets off soap box and walks away mumbling to himself)
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You can clearly see this camera operates at 8.3volts, sorry you can't get that from 4 AA's, any more AA's and the weight and size is going to be an issue.
Times change, earlier cars had 6 volt systems, now they have 12volt, soon they will be 24volt to keep up with thr ever increasing demands of consumers for extras in the cars, GPS, LCD TV, Cold Boxes, Hot Boxes, Massive Stereos, a 12v alternator can only do so much before they have to up the voltage.
Mobile phones, as another example, are getting so complicated that the they have software and get viruses like PC's and like Windows (C) occassionally crash. Think back a few years and if you told someohone your mobile phone crashed and you had to reboot, he would have thought you silly.
This new camera has all the goodies we have been craving and it comes with a cost, it needs more power and the only cost effective and size effective option is to go to Lithium Ion. If there was another option and one that wouldn't hurt the Pentax corp, then the guys with more letters after their name than most of us and get paid a lot more than you and I made the best decision they knew how. Don't go second guessing them.
I do find it strange tha we have been anticipating this camera for such a long time and the minute it turns up we are crapping on it because it is not 110% perfect. You can't make a camera to suit everyone thats why we have different brands and models.
The world is not perfect, we are not perfect, so we make imperfect cameras for imperfect people to try and make perfect pics.
I think less complaints about a camera a lot of us have not even seen with our own eyes or held and more about how we are going to take the best shots we can. Photography is about the photographer not JUST the camera.
I like to see peoples pics they have taken with their PENTAX cameras to inspire me to do better, not their complaints, otherwise we might just start some new forums, Pentax images and Pentax gripes.
More photos guys and gals, that why we bought the camera in the first place.
P.S. Sorry for the rant...(gets off soap box and walks away mumbling to himself)
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distudio
Senior Member
LOL. You're not an engineer are you, next you'll be telling the US and Japanese forum members that they will have to upgrade to 240VAC at home
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