It is NOT digital zoom, it is...

[Stan Disbrow]

Hi,

Ok. The WiFi will do. I haven't seen digital cameras with system radios in them since Kodak went away.

But that doesn't mean they can't return. And I thought perhaps the 100RF might have such for an additional market as a PJ unit.

Stan

 

[JimKasson]

Hi,

Ok. The WiFi will do. I haven't seen digital cameras with system radios in them since Kodak went away.

You have one. The GFX 100.











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[jhunna]

Hi,

Nope. Never had to send photos to anyone. The only folks I can think of who need to.do.thay are Pro PJs sending shots to an editor to make the press deadline.

Stan

The paradigm has changed. Millions of people are sending (sharing) completely processed photos. Now they have a MF camera that lends itself to this process.

From a MF camera? In what situation?

A sensor isn't the limiting factor in sending files. Any situation you can take a picture.

Clearly, but why would one want or need to from MF camera was my question.

Camera phones and MFT/APS -c perhaps.

FWIW I send photos from all my cameras apsc and 61MP FF files. I am sending compressed jpegs (developed) files. I retain the full raw should I want to do further editing and/or print the file.

The GFX100RF is the first MF camera that I have seriously considered purchasing, and considering it has all the software features of an x100n series of camera, I will continue to send files.

Let me ask you guys who are questioning the viability of sending files from the camera or on location a question, are you only shooting RAW with your MF cameras? If so that explains why this is difficult for you to see that capturing a RAW and a JPEG will give you both options to send a file, and to keep the RAW. As I have said many times before, this camera and its sensor gives you options. One can use them or not... I plan to use every option in the camera including pixelshift on a tripod to capture architecture.

My question was why anyone would want to do this with a MF camera and not if it were possible to do so.

You are overthinking this. I really answered your question the first time. Any place you take a picture you may want to share a photograph. I want to do this with ANY camera I have with me. That is really the answer.

Don't you always have your phone with you?

Of course, but if I want to capture a better file to use later, I will use the best tool I have available. GFX100RF will be that device.
I take photos of atheletic events (maybe not with the GFX100RF, but we will see), as do other parents. But they use their phones. My pictures from my a7cr are far better, and I can share them almost as fast as someone with a phone. Now if I can get better performance\files with only one or two additional steps over the using the just a phone, why wouldn't I do that? Why wouldn't you do that?

My chosen tool for athletics has usually been a Z9 with the 180-400/4 Nikon F-mount zoom. Not small and light, though.

Why don't share pics using the Z9?

I do. Just not from the sports venue.

How is that different from sharing pictures with the GFX100RF?

 

[JimKasson]

Hi,

Nope. Never had to send photos to anyone. The only folks I can think of who need to.do.thay are Pro PJs sending shots to an editor to make the press deadline.

Stan

The paradigm has changed. Millions of people are sending (sharing) completely processed photos. Now they have a MF camera that lends itself to this process.

From a MF camera? In what situation?

A sensor isn't the limiting factor in sending files. Any situation you can take a picture.

Clearly, but why would one want or need to from MF camera was my question.

Camera phones and MFT/APS -c perhaps.

FWIW I send photos from all my cameras apsc and 61MP FF files. I am sending compressed jpegs (developed) files. I retain the full raw should I want to do further editing and/or print the file.

The GFX100RF is the first MF camera that I have seriously considered purchasing, and considering it has all the software features of an x100n series of camera, I will continue to send files.

Let me ask you guys who are questioning the viability of sending files from the camera or on location a question, are you only shooting RAW with your MF cameras? If so that explains why this is difficult for you to see that capturing a RAW and a JPEG will give you both options to send a file, and to keep the RAW. As I have said many times before, this camera and its sensor gives you options. One can use them or not... I plan to use every option in the camera including pixelshift on a tripod to capture architecture.

My question was why anyone would want to do this with a MF camera and not if it were possible to do so.

You are overthinking this. I really answered your question the first time. Any place you take a picture you may want to share a photograph. I want to do this with ANY camera I have with me. That is really the answer.

Don't you always have your phone with you?

Of course, but if I want to capture a better file to use later, I will use the best tool I have available. GFX100RF will be that device.
I take photos of atheletic events (maybe not with the GFX100RF, but we will see), as do other parents. But they use their phones. My pictures from my a7cr are far better, and I can share them almost as fast as someone with a phone. Now if I can get better performance\files with only one or two additional steps over the using the just a phone, why wouldn't I do that? Why wouldn't you do that?

My chosen tool for athletics has usually been a Z9 with the 180-400/4 Nikon F-mount zoom. Not small and light, though.

Why don't share pics using the Z9?

I do. Just not from the sports venue.

How is that different from sharing pictures with the GFX100RF?

Well, the images from the Z9 and the 180-400/4 are going to look sifferent from those from the GFX 100RF. I'm not saying that you never want to share downsized images from high res cameras. I'm saying that you want to be able to do both high res and lo res output if you're taking pictures of a game. On that we seen to be in agreement.

If you are going to take pictures of a sport, you pretty much know what you'r going to run up against and what gear you'll need, and you can just take that.

 

[AndyGordon]

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Why every on is going on about digital zoom and cropping in camera as if it is the days of the old tiny sensor snapshot cameras is just odd to me.

How can you complain about others going on about digital zoom when you just started another thread on the topic?

I started a thread on in camera processing.

Was the “digital zoom” title click-bait?

You just had to read the 1st sentence, and I'd have gone with ironic rather than click bait personally, feels a little less confrontational

 

[Rich42]

Let’s see if I can put this in some perspective:

.

Dealer: I’ve got this great deal for you. A GFX 100S II with a GF lens for $5K!

Me: Wow! That’s great! The camera alone is $5K. Can I get the 32-64 zoom?

Dealer: Ah, No. We’ve got a new 35/4 to go with that.

Me: Oh. Hmmm. Kinda limiting. But I guess I can get a zoom down the road.

Dealer: Um. Well, no. Not really. We had a zoom on the camera, but then we tried this . . . new . . . lens and . . . Well, it’s stuck. Permanently. Can’t get it off. Kinda why we’re offering . . .

Me: Oh, I see. Well, I’ll still have all those great 100 Mega Pixels!

Dealer: Yes! But realize you’ll need to sacrifice them to get the “equivalent” of longer “focal lengths” by cropping. That’s a plus, you know! You can get 60 MP. Or 40 MP. Or 20 MP. Just like other cameras!

Me: Cropping? Oh, I see. Cropping. Hmmm. Kinda takes it out of being Medium Format, doesn't it? But at least it’s still a GFX 100S II. Right?! With that great IBIS!

Dealer: Um, well, no . . . The IBIS isn’t, um, working. That’s why the price is . . . reduced. . .

Me: No IBIS?

Dealer: Well, we had Fuji look at it. They couldn’t fix it, so they took out the mechanism. But that’s a plus! It makes the camera lighter! But it’s still a GFX 100 . . .

Me: Lighter? Huh?

Dealer: Yeah! And somehow they sent it back in a smaller body when they took out that stuff. It’s so simple now! It’s great . . . Like a Point and Shoot . . . ! Y'know . . . fixed lens, and all. Can I ring it up for you?

Me: Yeah. No. I’m good.

 

[Andre Yew]

They want to take the picture and share it and or print it instantly... and most of the time they are going to be extremely happy with the results.

I no longer have a dog in this fight (I canceled my RF order after calculating its performance envelope compared to other cameras for my uses), but sharing is a pretty valid and useful thing people do with their cameras today. For me, I sometimes carry an Instax Wide printer, and give prints out as souvenirs or thank you gifts to my subjects: it's a nice quick way to show them some appreciation.

I shoot Nikon Z primarily these days, and as bad as it generally is, Nikon's Snapbridge app makes this straightforward even if it's a little slow and sometimes flakey. I only shoot raw, but in the transfer to my phone, the camera will downsample to 7MP, and apply the current picture profile to the raw files. I can then load this into the Instax app, and print it out. Of course, it's nothing compared to what I can get out of LR/PS later on with the raw files and my Canon Pro-10, but this has a different purpose than those files.

 

[Stan Disbrow]

Hi,

I was referring to a cellular system radio. I made some such for Kodak when I was at Ericsson. Those wouldn't work these days. We keep changing the systems....

Stan

 

[JimKasson]

Hi,

I was referring to a cellular system radio. I made some such for Kodak when I was at Ericsson. Those wouldn't work these days. We keep changing the systems....

I guess I took you too literally.

 

[Stan Disbrow]

Hi,

My main use for photos is printing on textiles. More often then not, they aren't my own photos. Usually some snapshot of someone at some event or other. Then something tragic happens and that snapshot becomes special.

And then my wife and I get to do what we can in Photoshop and Illustrator to produce a memorial T shirt. Makes me wish everyone shot both Jpeg and Raw. I have to work pretty hard to make some photos work out....

The latest such shirt was an initial order of 200. Now we have produced 800 and aren't sure we are done.

And we did this in a one color monochrome process. Think newspaper type printing large enough to fit the front page.

Stan

 

[Stan Disbrow]

Hi,

Well, I would not presume Fuji hadn't stuffed one in. Think of the PJ camera this could be. With a suitability large flash, of course. PJs love their flashes.

Stan

 

[deednets]

Hi,

Nope. Never had to send photos to anyone. The only folks I can think of who need to.do.thay are Pro PJs sending shots to an editor to make the press deadline.

Stan

The paradigm has changed. Millions of people are sending (sharing) completely processed photos. Now they have a MF camera that lends itself to this process.

From a MF camera? In what situation?

A sensor isn't the limiting factor in sending files. Any situation you can take a picture.

Clearly, but why would one want or need to from MF camera was my question.

Camera phones and MFT/APS -c perhaps.

FWIW I send photos from all my cameras apsc and 61MP FF files. I am sending compressed jpegs (developed) files. I retain the full raw should I want to do further editing and/or print the file.

The GFX100RF is the first MF camera that I have seriously considered purchasing, and considering it has all the software features of an x100n series of camera, I will continue to send files.

Let me ask you guys who are questioning the viability of sending files from the camera or on location a question, are you only shooting RAW with your MF cameras? If so that explains why this is difficult for you to see that capturing a RAW and a JPEG will give you both options to send a file, and to keep the RAW. As I have said many times before, this camera and its sensor gives you options. One can use them or not... I plan to use every option in the camera including pixelshift on a tripod to capture architecture.

My question was why anyone would want to do this with a MF camera and not if it were possible to do so.

You are overthinking this. I really answered your question the first time. Any place you take a picture you may want to share a photograph. I want to do this with ANY camera I have with me. That is really the answer.

Why would you do this and in what situations was my question and I would be interested in your answer to this question.

Because I have friends and family who want to see what I am seeing. Any situation where I take a picture. I have said it three times now.
My current work flow with 61MP files, is to take the picture in RAW+jpg. Have the jpegs uploaded to my phone as I take them, then when I am done, select the jpegs I want to share. Really is quite simple, and preserves the raw for additional processing in the future.

I have been reading this with some interest and was seriously wondering whether this would only ever, ever be of any value in a dpreview vacuum tube?

To clarify:

• You use a 100Mpx camera and want to process those files in camera
• Then you send some 100Mpx files where? To a phone? A 5k capable screen connected to a computer? Even for that, 100Mpx would need to be reduced, can this actually be done in-Fuji?
• And this needs to work fast as your friends want to see what you are sharing in real-time?

If you send your what, 80-120MB files to a phone I think you must be living in some alternative universe, why not WhatsApp your friends with a live feed? You seriously have friends that appreciate 100Mpx files on a phone? Emailing 100 - or whatever those files are like - MB would require some file sharing technology, not everyone would have on-the-fly.

And your issue with this is in-camera processing? Wild times alright.

Deed

 

[Breakfastographer]

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[JNK 100]

Hi,

Nope. Never had to send photos to anyone. The only folks I can think of who need to.do.thay are Pro PJs sending shots to an editor to make the press deadline.

Stan

The paradigm has changed. Millions of people are sending (sharing) completely processed photos. Now they have a MF camera that lends itself to this process.

From a MF camera? In what situation?

A sensor isn't the limiting factor in sending files. Any situation you can take a picture.

Clearly, but why would one want or need to from MF camera was my question.

Camera phones and MFT/APS -c perhaps.

FWIW I send photos from all my cameras apsc and 61MP FF files. I am sending compressed jpegs (developed) files. I retain the full raw should I want to do further editing and/or print the file.

The GFX100RF is the first MF camera that I have seriously considered purchasing, and considering it has all the software features of an x100n series of camera, I will continue to send files.

Let me ask you guys who are questioning the viability of sending files from the camera or on location a question, are you only shooting RAW with your MF cameras? If so that explains why this is difficult for you to see that capturing a RAW and a JPEG will give you both options to send a file, and to keep the RAW. As I have said many times before, this camera and its sensor gives you options. One can use them or not... I plan to use every option in the camera including pixelshift on a tripod to capture architecture.

My question was why anyone would want to do this with a MF camera and not if it were possible to do so.

You are overthinking this. I really answered your question the first time. Any place you take a picture you may want to share a photograph. I want to do this with ANY camera I have with me. That is really the answer.

Why would you do this and in what situations was my question and I would be interested in your answer to this question.

Because I have friends and family who want to see what I am seeing. Any situation where I take a picture. I have said it three times now.
My current work flow with 61MP files, is to take the picture in RAW+jpg. Have the jpegs uploaded to my phone as I take them, then when I am done, select the jpegs I want to share. Really is quite simple, and preserves the raw for additional processing in the future.

I have been reading this with some interest and was seriously wondering whether this would only ever, ever be of any value in a dpreview vacuum tube?

To clarify:

• You use a 100Mpx camera and want to process those files in camera
• Then you send some 100Mpx files where? To a phone? A 5k capable screen connected to a computer? Even for that, 100Mpx would need to be reduced, can this actually be done in-Fuji?
• And this needs to work fast as your friends want to see what you are sharing in real-time?

If you send your what, 80-120MB files to a phone I think you must be living in some alternative universe, why not WhatsApp your friends with a live feed? You seriously have friends that appreciate 100Mpx files on a phone? Emailing 100 - or whatever those files are like - MB would require some file sharing technology, not everyone would have on-the-fly.

And your issue with this is in-camera processing? Wild times alright.

Deed

I suspect the OP has an ulterior motive at play here....

 

[SeeingSomeThingsMissingMany]

I think the whole point of a camera like the GFX 100RF is to make high DR, high resolution files. Otherwise, why spend all that money?

Beyond specs, beyond testing, beyond technical, toing and froing

Is the uplift enjoyment personal wellbeing from utilising photographing with a camera : whichever camera does this for us a 1/2.5" sensor camera to a 100Rf.

Too easy to forget this significant aspect a camera can bring to us.

It's invaluable in its iwn way.

My Sigma SD9 dslr was so hampered. SD9 remains to this day my favourite dslr even after having purchased Canon1DS 5Dmk2 NikonD2H OlyE1 FujiS2 KodakSLRC Minolta7D.

M42 lenses on my SD9 2010 2011.

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[jhunna]

I think the whole point of a camera like the GFX 100RF is to make high DR, high resolution files. Otherwise, why spend all that money?

Beyond specs, beyond testing, beyond technical, toing and froing

Is the uplift enjoyment personal wellbeing from utilising photographing with a camera : whichever camera does this for us a 1/2.5" sensor camera to a 100Rf.

Too easy to forget this significant aspect a camera can bring to us.

It's invaluable in its iwn way.

My Sigma SD9 dslr was so hampered. SD9 remains to this day my favourite dslr even after having purchased Canon1DS 5Dmk2 NikonD2H OlyE1 FujiS2 KodakSLRC Minolta7D.

M42 lenses on my SD9 2010 2011.

I have given up on try to tell this group about the subjective satisfactions that may come from this camera.

 

[Doppler9000]

I think the whole point of a camera like the GFX 100RF is to make high DR, high resolution files. Otherwise, why spend all that money?

Beyond specs, beyond testing, beyond technical, toing and froing

Is the uplift enjoyment personal wellbeing from utilising photographing with a camera : whichever camera does this for us a 1/2.5" sensor camera to a 100Rf.

Too easy to forget this significant aspect a camera can bring to us.

It's invaluable in its iwn way.

My Sigma SD9 dslr was so hampered. SD9 remains to this day my favourite dslr even after having purchased Canon1DS 5Dmk2 NikonD2H OlyE1 FujiS2 KodakSLRC Minolta7D.

M42 lenses on my SD9 2010 2011.

I have given up on try to tell this group about the subjective satisfactions that may come from this camera.

You’ve made the implicit assumption that the people on the forum don’t understand that there may be subjective satisfaction associated with the 100RF, and that if you keep repeating your opinions, eventually they will understand.

I believe you are incorrect in your base assumption. It’s not that the people you are referencing don’t understand your points. They understand and despite this believe that on balance the camera’s benefits don’t outweigh the trade-offs, costs, etc.

 

[jhunna]

I think the whole point of a camera like the GFX 100RF is to make high DR, high resolution files. Otherwise, why spend all that money?

Beyond specs, beyond testing, beyond technical, toing and froing

Is the uplift enjoyment personal wellbeing from utilising photographing with a camera : whichever camera does this for us a 1/2.5" sensor camera to a 100Rf.

Too easy to forget this significant aspect a camera can bring to us.

It's invaluable in its iwn way.

My Sigma SD9 dslr was so hampered. SD9 remains to this day my favourite dslr even after having purchased Canon1DS 5Dmk2 NikonD2H OlyE1 FujiS2 KodakSLRC Minolta7D.

M42 lenses on my SD9 2010 2011.

I have given up on try to tell this group about the subjective satisfactions that may come from this camera.

You’ve made the implicit assumption that the people on the forum don’t understand that there may be subjective satisfaction associated with the 100RF, and that if you keep repeating your opinions, eventually they will understand.

I believe you are incorrect in your base assumption. It’s not that the people you are referencing don’t understand your points. They understand and despite this believe that on balance the camera’s benefits don’t outweigh the trade-offs, costs, etc.

That conflicts with Jim's quote above.

 

[JimKasson]

I think the whole point of a camera like the GFX 100RF is to make high DR, high resolution files. Otherwise, why spend all that money?

Beyond specs, beyond testing, beyond technical, toing and froing

Is the uplift enjoyment personal wellbeing from utilising photographing with a camera : whichever camera does this for us a 1/2.5" sensor camera to a 100Rf.

Too easy to forget this significant aspect a camera can bring to us.

It's invaluable in its iwn way.

My Sigma SD9 dslr was so hampered. SD9 remains to this day my favourite dslr even after having purchased Canon1DS 5Dmk2 NikonD2H OlyE1 FujiS2 KodakSLRC Minolta7D.

M42 lenses on my SD9 2010 2011.

I have given up on try to tell this group about the subjective satisfactions that may come from this camera.

You’ve made the implicit assumption that the people on the forum don’t understand that there may be subjective satisfaction associated with the 100RF, and that if you keep repeating your opinions, eventually they will understand.

I believe you are incorrect in your base assumption. It’s not that the people you are referencing don’t understand your points. They understand and despite this believe that on balance the camera’s benefits don’t outweigh the trade-offs, costs, etc.

That conflicts with Jim's quote above.

I’ve already said that I like the camera, and were my physical situation different, I would buy one. I view it as an updated Plaubel Makina, a camera that I loved. But if I used it, I would use it the same way as the 67 camera, and try to fill the frame.

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[Crispy_Bee]

You’ve made the implicit assumption that the people on the forum don’t understand that there may be subjective satisfaction associated with the 100RF, and that if you keep repeating your opinions, eventually they will understand.

I believe you are incorrect in your base assumption. It’s not that the people you are referencing don’t understand your points. They understand and despite this believe that on balance the camera’s benefits don’t outweigh the trade-offs, costs, etc.

That conflicts with Jim's quote above.

I’ve already said that I like the camera, and were my physical situation different, I would buy one. I view it as an updated Plaubel Makina, a camera that I loved. But if I used it, I would use it the same way as the 67 camera, and try to fill the frame.

I think that's a very good analogy.

Kind of reminds me of the Sigma DP series with really good image quality when treated like a film camera, filling the frame with the subject etc. Maybe they'll come up with a 64mm f8.0 as a Fuji 100RF II ;-)

As for understanding the camera:

In the last few days there have been a number of people who are already huge fans of this camera - even though they have never handled it or only handled it for a few minutes at a time (and barely managed to get a sharp photo in most situations) and they've often times never used high-res (medium format) cameras. Yet some claim they want to replace their current MFT equipment because they can crop to a 80mm fullframe equivalent and get approx. 20MP and they then also expect the DOF of a 80mm f3.2 lens in that situation. Right.
Some want to use pixel shift, even though the camera doesn't have pixel shift - due to the missing IBIS.
And then there are those who claim getting a perfectly sharp hand-held 100MP image is easy-peasy even at moderately slow shutter speeds because people have shot medium format film hand-held in the past at similar or even slower speeds - without ever looking at high-res scans of those negatives in detail.
And if that doesn't help let's just crank up the ISO and then crop the image, at least then it's sharp enough. Never mind the resolution you throw away, the increased noise floor or the DR that's gone out the window by cropping and using a high ISO both at the same time.

But at least they've spent 5.5k on a camera they don't really understand while complaining that they're unable to persuade others of their subjective satisfaction that may come from a camera that they've never owned or worked with...