Is XD a flakey system?

[Barry Fitzgerald]

XD and MS shouldnt be about.

XD is even worse in the fact its more expensive, and slower than SD.

Oly and Fuji lose customes who refuse to buy the cards, but they
wont drop it, they will do at some point though.

A pointless format.

Barry, who appointed you the head of decision making for what
memory cards are OK? As has been covered many, many times, xD works
well, Fuji and Olympus cams use it, and xD cards are available
under several brand names (Fuji, Olympus, Kodak, Sandisk, and I
believe another one or two) at competitive prices. If you don't
like xD then don't bother looking at Fuji or Olympus. There are far
too many xD users here that know the real facts, I would suggest
you try posting your half truths and false information elsewhere.
Clyde

Its my view nothing more nothing less. As for false information..get your facts correct. The cost of XD is higher than SD. SD is more popular, and used by most other makers, as you say only Fuji and Olympus use XD nobody else, Sony use MS, nobody else.

There are also zero benefits of XD over other formats, zip nothing!

That leaves Canon, Nikon, Pannie, Ricoh, Samsung, Kodak, Pentax, HP, Hitachi, Acer, and every other smaller player using SD. Make a realistic argument for XD being around, cos I dont see one.

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[Clyde Atkinson]

XD and MS shouldnt be about.

XD is even worse in the fact its more expensive, and slower than SD.

Oly and Fuji lose customes who refuse to buy the cards, but they
wont drop it, they will do at some point though.

A pointless format.

Barry, who appointed you the head of decision making for what
memory cards are OK? As has been covered many, many times, xD works
well, Fuji and Olympus cams use it, and xD cards are available
under several brand names (Fuji, Olympus, Kodak, Sandisk, and I
believe another one or two) at competitive prices. If you don't
like xD then don't bother looking at Fuji or Olympus. There are far
too many xD users here that know the real facts, I would suggest
you try posting your half truths and false information elsewhere.
Clyde

Its my view nothing more nothing less. As for false
information..get your facts correct. The cost of XD is higher than
SD. SD is more popular, and used by most other makers, as you say
only Fuji and Olympus use XD nobody else, Sony use MS, nobody else.

There are also zero benefits of XD over other formats, zip nothing!

That leaves Canon, Nikon, Pannie, Ricoh, Samsung, Kodak, Pentax,
HP, Hitachi, Acer, and every other smaller player using SD. Make a
realistic argument for XD being around, cos I dont see one.

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The cost of xD has fallen to the point that price is no longer an issue, Kodak also used xD on a cam or two, there are zero benefits of SD over CF so what is your point? The realistic argument is because that is what the manufacturer uses, if you don't like it buy something that uses SD. I and many others choose to use xD because the cams it works in are a better choice for us due to performance/features. Pretty simple isn't it? Like the cams, use xD, don't like xD, use something else, the choice is yours. Gee, and all this noise from someone sporting a Konica/Minolta pic on their posts, are you even in the right forum? Or perhaps you are also a disgruntled Fuji user.
Clyde
Clyde

 

[Barry Fitzgerald]

The cost of xD has fallen to the point that price is no longer an
issue, Kodak also used xD on a cam or two, there are zero benefits
of SD over CF so what is your point? The realistic argument is
because that is what the manufacturer uses, if you don't like it
buy something that uses SD. I and many others choose to use xD
because the cams it works in are a better choice for us due to
performance/features. Pretty simple isn't it? Like the cams, use
xD, don't like xD, use something else, the choice is yours. Gee,
and all this noise from someone sporting a Konica/Minolta pic on
their posts, are you even in the right forum? Or perhaps you are
also a disgruntled Fuji user.
Clyde

My sole point is this:

There are too many formats and its not in the interest of the consumer to have this. I say two should go..XD and MS..thats all nothing more nothing less.

On a recent poll in the open talk forum it was clear to me that XD was hindering sales for cameras with Fuji and Olympus..as most of us have SD cards lying around. But its up to you...dont take it personal, just a viewpoint.

I have no issues with fuji...

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[Mike920]

I'll be honest folks, I bought the F30 FIRST because the camera is more important to me than the memory card it uses. I wanted this camera because of what it could do. I paid around $34 for an Oly 1Gig H-XD card delivered from Outpost.com and thought I got a good price on the card. Not much different for the same capacity in any other format. In either case, I had to buy a memory card. Would have had to buy a card if it was a Canon.

In short, the issue should be getting the camera because it has what you want, the memory card as a secondary or last consideration. If this weren't the case and the SD or whatever other card was more important to most people than the camera, Olympus and Fuji would be out of business. If the XD card sucks, why are there so many Fuji users out there?

I said my 2 cents.

Mike

 

[Cubensis]

Basically what Barry is saying is.... since he doesn't own xD cards or cams that use xD, they are surely no good.

The cost of xD has fallen to the point that price is no longer an
issue, Kodak also used xD on a cam or two, there are zero benefits
of SD over CF so what is your point? The realistic argument is
because that is what the manufacturer uses, if you don't like it
buy something that uses SD. I and many others choose to use xD
because the cams it works in are a better choice for us due to
performance/features. Pretty simple isn't it? Like the cams, use
xD, don't like xD, use something else, the choice is yours. Gee,
and all this noise from someone sporting a Konica/Minolta pic on
their posts, are you even in the right forum? Or perhaps you are
also a disgruntled Fuji user.
Clyde

My sole point is this:

There are too many formats and its not in the interest of the
consumer to have this. I say two should go..XD and MS..thats all
nothing more nothing less.

On a recent poll in the open talk forum it was clear to me that XD
was hindering sales for cameras with Fuji and Olympus..as most of
us have SD cards lying around. But its up to you...dont take it
personal, just a viewpoint.

I have no issues with fuji...

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Fuji A310, F10, & F30

 

[Clyde Atkinson]

Hi Barry,

If we had only one format of memory card available, then there would be all of the complaints that there should be other types, we don't have a choice, something else may work better, etc. As far as I'm concerned, memory cards are a minor investment and not an issue. I use both CF and xD in my S7000. As long as a camera's features/performance meet my needs I don't really care what memory card it uses.
Clyde

 

[Cubensis]

Well put Mike.... the camera > the memory card... in importance and every other aspect of expenditure.

I'll be honest folks, I bought the F30 FIRST because the camera is
more important to me than the memory card it uses. I wanted this
camera because of what it could do. I paid around $34 for an Oly
1Gig H-XD card delivered from Outpost.com and thought I got a good
price on the card. Not much different for the same capacity in any
other format. In either case, I had to buy a memory card. Would
have had to buy a card if it was a Canon.

In short, the issue should be getting the camera because it has
what you want, the memory card as a secondary or last
consideration. If this weren't the case and the SD or whatever
other card was more important to most people than the camera,
Olympus and Fuji would be out of business. If the XD card sucks,
why are there so many Fuji users out there?

I said my 2 cents.

Mike

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Fuji A310, F10, & F30

 

[jkirk@oz]

AFAIC, it was the biggest idiotic decision they made.

Every week I have to sort out why someones card reader won't read the new xD card they bought or why this new card won't work in their Fuji or Olympus cammie. So now I spend my spare time buying handfuls of readers or searching for compatable xD cards. What a WASTE of my time ... for what?? I can't just loan / swap someone an xD card without checking the make and model of the cards, the camera, what firmware version, their reader and firmware version also. Give me a break.

AFAIC Fuji have just followed in Sonys greedy proprietary footsteps. They had YEARS of past experience (theirs and many others) to get it right, but somehow managed to really stuff it up ...

Oh yeah, for the price is the same argument. Lets see .. in the last 2 weeks I bought -
2x Ridata 8GB CF 150X for US$150 ea
2x Ridata 2GB CF 150X for US$42 ea
2x Ridata 4GB SD 150X for US$65 ea from newegg.com
Can't seem to find equivalent prices for xD ??? Wonder where they are?

So MY** decision was NOT to buy a Fuji again that uses only xD cards, or recommend them ... or at the very least SPELL out what they're up for.

NOTE: Before anyone passes ME off as a troll, uninformed or biased, CHECK my history and WHAT I've done (and STILL do) for Fuji users. And some of you need to work on your manners too, or engage your brain BEFORE you speak.
James Kirk (as seen on TV)

 

[Mike920]

Yes, and you are so wonderful and have done so much. However, why not jump off this forum as this is a Fuji Talk forum, where people here have Fuji cameras and XD cards. Get it?

 

[Mike920]

Can't understand why a $34 memory card would turn people off from a superlative camera vs some other memory card and a similar priced camera that is behind the times. Not very smart reasoning.

But then again, nobody said they were smarter for settling for less either. LOL

Mike

 

[Mike920]

And thank you for your comments Cubensis. Seems that some people put their emphasis on the wrong values. I was raised on film cameras and have used many from the Kodak Brownie, Argus Sport and up through the slr's. IS and autofocus were unknowns then and had to adjust with faster lenses, shutter speeds or faster film. What was ISO? Can remember ASA ratings for film though. In any event, we worked with what we had and were creative when it came to working with whatever shortcomings we had to deal with. Now I read of IS being a criteria for a good camera? BS!!! Good glass and a good sensor with decent firmware is what is really needed and exixts in the F30. Just need to open up the software that is already in the F30 to make it the best damned P&S camera on the market!

Unfortunatly, many people feel that if they buy an expensive camera today, they automatically become professionals and can "expect" professional quality pictures automatically. Well, most of us know that is not the case as buying a racing car doesn't make one a professional race car driver.

End of rant.

Mike

 

[Spike666]

I would never buy another camera that used XD cards. The requirement to buy a specific reader that pops up here is an indicator that all is not well with the XD cards. I never had a reader problem until I used XD cards, and I had the problem that others have referenced here when an incompatible reader deletes files. Unfortunately, the non-standard USB cable that Fuji uses for the F30 only makes this worse.

 

[Spike666]

Why shouldn't he post about issues with XD cards? That was what the original poster wanted responses about. It's not about being a total Fujhead, it's about what works and what doesn't. I will never buy another camera that uses XD cards. I gave my F30 to my wife, who will fill up a card in six or nine months for what she uses it for. That's the only way I would suggest to anyone that they use XD cards.

 

[jkirk@oz]

Yes, and you are so wonderful and have done so much. However, why not jump off this forum as this is a Fuji Talk forum, where people here have Fuji cameras and XD cards. Get it?

LOL, you didn't even bother to check

I have SEVERAL Fujis (one with xD), since the MX2900 ... 6yrs ago. Many of my friends have Fujis, many with xD. Im staying right here thanks.
I can see you're definitely a prize to this Forum
JKirk

 

[Mike920]

Like I said.....what's more important? The camera or the storage device?

 

[Mike920]

Sorry. Forgot those with older cameras. My hiumble apologies.

 

[Mike920]

You mean you never download your images off your memory card?? Did you think an SD card would fare any better? What's your point?

 

[Spike666]

I can put my SD card in a dozen different card readers without a problem. I buy a recent XD reader and it deletes files. I can't read some XD cards in the readers on my computer and three printers. I would call that a problem. Other people here have reported similar problems, so I'm not alone, and the response is always to tell people to buy one specific reader. I would call that a serious problem for a photographer, especially someone like me who travels.

 

[Mike920]

Did your lack of an answer mean that the type of storage device is more important than the capabilities of the camera?? Please don't embarass yourself by answering in the affirmative.

 

[Spike666]

Do you think I sit at the computer waiting for your responses? I'm sorry to report that you are not nearly that important to me. There are much more important things to do - right now, I'm eating a cracker.

I have to produce work that gets sold, usually from dSLRs, but I sometimes use digicams for a variety of reasons. A camera that meets a reasonable number of standards is essential. I probably should have researched better, but the F30 does not meet those requirements. It has a) a non-standard card, used by only two manufacturers and completely sensitive to what reader is used, and b) a non-standard USB cable. I bought a Ricoh that a) uses SD cards, b) takes the standard mini-USB plug that most DSLRs and even my DVD writer use, and c) can take regular batteries in a pinch. The Fuji approach is for casual snappers who don't care...