Is there an image mgmt program that does all this?

That's so easy to say that something is "a joke". Why don't you send them an e-mail and say that their product misses auto-rotating CR2 images so they know what they should add to a next release to improve the product.

If I miss a feature in idimager, I always send them the details and with a next release it is added. That is also what I did for auto-rotating CRW/CR2 images and the latest release includes it.
Thank you for ranting and expressing the frustration that many of
us feel and have left unsaid and done nothing. I have tried to be
patient with Imatch and still seem to be going round in circles.
It would seem to need 24/7 attention for some time to grasp the
fundamentals. It would help many I'm sure if someone was to write
an 'imatch for dummies workflow manua'l to achieve the basic needs
without complicated side issues.
I have shortlisted portfolio and psa3 to investigate and wonder
about your experiences good or bad with portfolio. Apart from the
cost of it.
Failing these two I may have to tackle Imatch seriously for one
last attempt.
--
canon 10d
 
Give me a break. Do you think perhaps when they added the alleged RAW support they didn't actually click on a thumbnail to see it it would correctly preview? How can they possibly justify asserting that the product supports Canon CR2 RAW files when the preview function can't correctly orient the file? This is such a basic deficiency that I find their assertion of RAW support to be widely misleading. This is not as you describe it a missing feature this is part and parcel of supporting the file format. They obviously want to be able to sell the product as if they support Mark II RAW files when it doesn't. At least make it clear that the preview will not orient files correctly or warn photogs that the product is not designed to be used by Mark II shooters that shoot vertically oriented pictures in RAW!
If I miss a feature in idimager, I always send them the details and
with a next release it is added. That is also what I did for
auto-rotating CRW/CR2 images and the latest release includes it.
Thank you for ranting and expressing the frustration that many of
us feel and have left unsaid and done nothing. I have tried to be
patient with Imatch and still seem to be going round in circles.
It would seem to need 24/7 attention for some time to grasp the
fundamentals. It would help many I'm sure if someone was to write
an 'imatch for dummies workflow manua'l to achieve the basic needs
without complicated side issues.
I have shortlisted portfolio and psa3 to investigate and wonder
about your experiences good or bad with portfolio. Apart from the
cost of it.
Failing these two I may have to tackle Imatch seriously for one
last attempt.
--
canon 10d
 
I understand what you're saying.

When a product states that it support CR2, it means that it can open the file format. However for you that would mean that they also rotate the CR2 automatically. But that is an interpretation. Basically the CR2 is stored landscape, so what that program does is load the file and show the file "just as it is". Nothing wrong with that I think. And why should they say it is not auto-rotated? If they would support auto rotated CR2s, that's when they should say that. Because then they change the way the original looks, to offer you a better view.

Nevertheless I do agree with you that a portrait CR2 photo should be display correct in a portrait mode.
If I miss a feature in idimager, I always send them the details and
with a next release it is added. That is also what I did for
auto-rotating CRW/CR2 images and the latest release includes it.
Thank you for ranting and expressing the frustration that many of
us feel and have left unsaid and done nothing. I have tried to be
patient with Imatch and still seem to be going round in circles.
It would seem to need 24/7 attention for some time to grasp the
fundamentals. It would help many I'm sure if someone was to write
an 'imatch for dummies workflow manua'l to achieve the basic needs
without complicated side issues.
I have shortlisted portfolio and psa3 to investigate and wonder
about your experiences good or bad with portfolio. Apart from the
cost of it.
Failing these two I may have to tackle Imatch seriously for one
last attempt.
--
canon 10d
--
canon 10d
 
I complete concur. As for Portfolio, if you shoot Canon RAW (CR2)
it's a complete non-starter. It will not rotate vertical oriented
shots correctly in preview mode. What a joke.
I accept the strength of your point. And I am doing all I can to persuade a remarkably-unresponsive Extensis to fix this issue. Believe me, I am trying - they won't get my money for the next upgrade unless it's fixed.

That said, for now, once you get around that rotation issue, IMHO Portfolio's got a lot going for it.

There are three ways to get round it. The best is by scripting, in which case it's little trouble fixing hundreds of previews at a time. I'll post a screenshot below. My catalogue has a custom field called Orientation and when first browsing a batch of images I set it to Portrait CW, Portrait CCW - this is quick thanks to Portfolio's fine UI, and as many items as you want in one drag and drop. Then I select the whole batch and run the highlighted menu option. The Portfolio Preview Rotator dialog is my application - hit rotate, job done. The app opens the preview in Photoshop CS, rotates according to the Orientation field, saves and closes.

The other ways are more manual - rotate the previews using Windows picture viewer or other viewer, or build a catalogue and add your main previews to it.

OK, I don't think one should ever have to do this for a core feature. But believe me, I'm demanding when it comes to database applications, whether they are image catalogues or corporate-scale servers, and Portfolio is no non-starter.

John

 
You are correct that "support" is used by catalogue developers to say that it can open the file. But the customer's benchmark is higher than that.

"Support" for me and frety, you too I think, means that if a raw file is rotated by the camera or manufacturer's software, then any other package must reflect that rotation. So I would say Photoshop CS, iView, Thumbsplus, iMatch do support the D100 NEF format. Bibble and Portfolio do not, and customers should demand that they do, and not let them get away with an outmoded definition of "support".

John

ps Incidentally, we should also be forthright in demanding (for all the good it will do) that camera manufacturers stick to open standards - they are to blame too.
When a product states that it support CR2, it means that it can
open the file format. However for you that would mean that they
also rotate the CR2 automatically. But that is an interpretation.
Basically the CR2 is stored landscape, so what that program does is
load the file and show the file "just as it is". Nothing wrong with
that I think. And why should they say it is not auto-rotated? If
they would support auto rotated CR2s, that's when they should say
that. Because then they change the way the original looks, to offer
you a better view.

Nevertheless I do agree with you that a portrait CR2 photo should
be display correct in a portrait mode.
If I miss a feature in idimager, I always send them the details and
with a next release it is added. That is also what I did for
auto-rotating CRW/CR2 images and the latest release includes it.
Thank you for ranting and expressing the frustration that many of
us feel and have left unsaid and done nothing. I have tried to be
patient with Imatch and still seem to be going round in circles.
It would seem to need 24/7 attention for some time to grasp the
fundamentals. It would help many I'm sure if someone was to write
an 'imatch for dummies workflow manua'l to achieve the basic needs
without complicated side issues.
I have shortlisted portfolio and psa3 to investigate and wonder
about your experiences good or bad with portfolio. Apart from the
cost of it.
Failing these two I may have to tackle Imatch seriously for one
last attempt.
--
canon 10d
--
canon 10d
 
I've tried several image management programs with a set of about
200,000 images (to prove to myself that my investment in time,
effort and expense won't be wasted; at that time I had about 8,000
images) and only IMatch could catalog that many and offer a very
good performance. My image count is currently about 20,000 and I'm
still very pleased with IMatch and looking forward to the next
major version which should have many new things including
versioning.
I am an iMatch fan. Can you post more details on features of a future release of iMatch? What do you mean by versioning?

--
Hipólito
http://www.hip-visual.com
 
John,

No Offense, but if the camera mfgrs would document how they do things, it would make things a heck of a lot easier for everyone 8)

Even within their own tools, frequently the mfgrs do things differently when they rewrite their own files making it very tough for 3rd parties to develop compatible software. They also do not acknowledge or support modifications made outside their own software, and generally don't want you working in anything other than their own apps. I

Bibble does in fact recognize and apply rotation of .nefs for cameras that support it. Rotation applied after the fact is hanlded for some files, an not others, as it isn't always done in a standard (Or even docuemnted way). We've had a few requests to add support for rotations applied via capture and NV, and are looking into it.

When our users ask for something, we generally try to accodate them when possible, as quickly as possible. I doubt you will get the same reaction from the mfgr, yet alone a response such as this.

Eric
(And generally, asking is prefered to demaning 8)
"Support" for me and frety, you too I think, means that if a raw
file is rotated by the camera or manufacturer's software, then any
other package must reflect that rotation. So I would say Photoshop
CS, iView, Thumbsplus, iMatch do support the D100 NEF format.
Bibble and Portfolio do not, and customers should demand that they
do, and not let them get away with an outmoded definition of
"support".

John

ps Incidentally, we should also be forthright in demanding (for all
the good it will do) that camera manufacturers stick to open
standards - they are to blame too.
When a product states that it support CR2, it means that it can
open the file format. However for you that would mean that they
also rotate the CR2 automatically. But that is an interpretation.
Basically the CR2 is stored landscape, so what that program does is
load the file and show the file "just as it is". Nothing wrong with
that I think. And why should they say it is not auto-rotated? If
they would support auto rotated CR2s, that's when they should say
that. Because then they change the way the original looks, to offer
you a better view.

Nevertheless I do agree with you that a portrait CR2 photo should
be display correct in a portrait mode.
If I miss a feature in idimager, I always send them the details and
with a next release it is added. That is also what I did for
auto-rotating CRW/CR2 images and the latest release includes it.
Thank you for ranting and expressing the frustration that many of
us feel and have left unsaid and done nothing. I have tried to be
patient with Imatch and still seem to be going round in circles.
It would seem to need 24/7 attention for some time to grasp the
fundamentals. It would help many I'm sure if someone was to write
an 'imatch for dummies workflow manua'l to achieve the basic needs
without complicated side issues.
I have shortlisted portfolio and psa3 to investigate and wonder
about your experiences good or bad with portfolio. Apart from the
cost of it.
Failing these two I may have to tackle Imatch seriously for one
last attempt.
--
canon 10d
--
canon 10d
 
Eric

Thanks for the reply - and firstly sorry if you took offence at what I wrote. I always find it encouraging when developers like you show confidence in their product by participating in online forums - and am always suspicious of those that don't.

We agree about camera manufacturers' responsibility to document their image formats and their inability to stick to standards, and I added my PS because I don't place the real blame on downstream applications such as catalogues and raw converters. Sadly it's a matter of the dog wagging the tail - whatever camera makers do, programs like Bibble and Extensis need to follow suit, because that's what users demand.

You picked me up on demanding or asking. Depends what one means by demand. Now of course I meant it the way you understood, but let me shift my ground over to customer demand. In that sense we should demand software developers pick up the rotation in all commonly-used raw file formats. Certainly, I'm not going to pay for another product that can't do so.

And I do think we should raise the bar on how software manufacturers define "support" - I can't accept that merely opening a file is enough. For individual conversions, one can live with failure to pick up rotation. But not for batch conversions, such as involved in cataloguing images.

I keep going back to the thought that if a one man operation like iMatch can do it, why can't the rest?

I sincerely hope you are able to implement support for capture and NV rotations and think it would good for your product. Apologies if I upset you!

John
John,

No Offense, but if the camera mfgrs would document how they do
things, it would make things a heck of a lot easier for everyone 8)

Even within their own tools, frequently the mfgrs do things
differently when they rewrite their own files making it very tough
for 3rd parties to develop compatible software. They also do not
acknowledge or support modifications made outside their own
software, and generally don't want you working in anything other
than their own apps. I

Bibble does in fact recognize and apply rotation of .nefs for
cameras that support it. Rotation applied after the fact is hanlded
for some files, an not others, as it isn't always done in a
standard (Or even docuemnted way). We've had a few requests to add
support for rotations applied via capture and NV, and are looking
into it.

When our users ask for something, we generally try to accodate them
when possible, as quickly as possible. I doubt you will get the
same reaction from the mfgr, yet alone a response such as this.

Eric
(And generally, asking is prefered to demaning 8)
 
I do shoot Canon RAW exclusively, so for now I guess that excludes Portfolio....
Thank you for ranting and expressing the frustration that many of
us feel and have left unsaid and done nothing. I have tried to be
patient with Imatch and still seem to be going round in circles.
It would seem to need 24/7 attention for some time to grasp the
fundamentals. It would help many I'm sure if someone was to write
an 'imatch for dummies workflow manua'l to achieve the basic needs
without complicated side issues.
I have shortlisted portfolio and psa3 to investigate and wonder
about your experiences good or bad with portfolio. Apart from the
cost of it.
Failing these two I may have to tackle Imatch seriously for one
last attempt.
 
I don't think anyone can really give any definitive info on a future release of iMatch, since the developer basically keeps pushing off the projected release date. If my memory serves me it was originally fall '03, and now he's saying 1st Q '05.... I really think Mario would be well served if he'd let us in on what he's designing, especially the interface, and let his users give him some feedback before things are etched in stone. He's shown himself to be a very skillful programmer as far as functionality goes, but his interface skills are debatable... at least his interface has sparked a LOT of debate. And if he could come up with a really good interface along with a few important enhancements, he could own the market.

Versioning is the concept of storing as a single indexed entity all the stages of workflow for an image-- the raw file, its converted version, various versions saved for print, web, etc., instead of treating them as seperate files....

HTH.

Kenny Frank
I've tried several image management programs with a set of about
200,000 images (to prove to myself that my investment in time,
effort and expense won't be wasted; at that time I had about 8,000
images) and only IMatch could catalog that many and offer a very
good performance. My image count is currently about 20,000 and I'm
still very pleased with IMatch and looking forward to the next
major version which should have many new things including
versioning.
I am an iMatch fan. Can you post more details on features of a
future release of iMatch? What do you mean by versioning?

--
Hipólito
http://www.hip-visual.com
 
Apparently many users have let them know about this, but they don't seem inclined to fix it.

Kenny Frank
If I miss a feature in idimager, I always send them the details and
with a next release it is added. That is also what I did for
auto-rotating CRW/CR2 images and the latest release includes it.
Thank you for ranting and expressing the frustration that many of
us feel and have left unsaid and done nothing. I have tried to be
patient with Imatch and still seem to be going round in circles.
It would seem to need 24/7 attention for some time to grasp the
fundamentals. It would help many I'm sure if someone was to write
an 'imatch for dummies workflow manua'l to achieve the basic needs
without complicated side issues.
I have shortlisted portfolio and psa3 to investigate and wonder
about your experiences good or bad with portfolio. Apart from the
cost of it.
Failing these two I may have to tackle Imatch seriously for one
last attempt.
--
canon 10d
 
John-- I bought Album 1, installed it on one of my machines, but never used it. I just got Elements 3 for the Organizer, but haven't installed it yet. I am VERY tempted, since I need to do something.

A couple of questions:

Any sense of speed and capacity for large image databases? Am I correct that it uses an Access database? If so, is the database open, e.g. can you open it in Access or is it password protected?

Where are the categories and other index info stored? Is it stored in the image file? If you wanted to export your database to some other product could you?

What are the things you still don't like about it? Since I am basically a PhotoShopCS user, will I have any difficulty bypassing the Elements part of this?

Thanks,

Kenny Frank
  • I don't know what the limit is, but we haven't found it yet. V3
definitely improved in some key areas. I really like versioning
and stacks. With the proliferation of RAW users, I can't believe
other organizers don't do versioning to keep track of all the
various versions of one negative and represent it as one item (with
other versions) in the organizer. There are still many things
missing in organizer, but it is much improved from v2. I' ve been
with it since PSA1 so I'm hoping they decide to turn it into a
professional tool, not just a hobbiest tool, but it's hard to tell
if they'll take it that far.

So ... I'm not trying to say that the organizer in Elements v3 is
everything folks are looking for here (it's not), but if you
thought v2 was on the right track for your needs, v3 has fixed some
of the bigger limitations of v2.

--John
I am really frustrated-- I've bought iMatch, ACDCee, Photoshop
Album (just got PE3 but haven't installed it), downloaded Portfolio
a few months ago, and looked at idImage, and I don't use
anything.... I have many MANY images and growing (some of which I
make a living off of) and have YET to find a program I'm willing to
invest my energy in.

Each of these programs seems to be missing one or more essential
ingredients. Most everyone seems to agree that iMatch has the
greatest horsepower, but is flawed unles you are prepared to devote
a ton of time to it. I want to love and marry iMatch but I just
can't. I'm not afraid to tackle iMatch (the other part of my
income comes from database and web programming) but a good
organizational program should not require so much work. I'm just
feeling paralyzed.

The mention of date searches is what set off this rant.... A
timeline is such an intuitive tool and is so basic and important
its hard to believe Mario has let it go un-addressed so long. That
is one of the very best features of PSAlbum, and when version 1 of
PSAlbum was released I asked Mario when he was going to incorporate
a similar function. He said he would have a new version out soon
that would incorporate this and other requested functions. That
was about a year and a half ago, and apparently any new iMatch
release is now at least six months from now if that.

I know Album (or Organizer as it is called now) is perceived as a
toy, but it is hard to bet against an organization like Adobe in
this area. Obviously much of the rest of Adobe's product line is
industrial strength, and even though Album/Organizer is still not
yet a professional level product, we have all witnessed more than
one example of how what seems to be inadequate technology today, in
the hands of a substantial organization ultimately ends up being
more substantial over time.

Adobe certainly seems generally focused on the professional
graphics market. Most of the knocks against this product I have
seen relate to its ability to handle large databases and its
limited heirarchy, each of which seem to be things which would be
likely to be addressed over time. The interface and conceptual
structure seem to be quite good, and there is no doubt about the
strength of the developer.

As I said, I am really frustrated. I feel a strong need to
organize my image inventory (and especially need to organize
multiple versions in my workflow and multiple images of the same
subject) but I haven't been able to pull the trigger. I sorely
wish someone could say something that would turn on the light
because as each day goes I am getting further and further
behind.....

Please pardon my venting....

Kenny Frank
 
That's so easy to say that something is "a joke". Why don't you
send them an e-mail and say that their product misses auto-rotating
CR2 images so they know what they should add to a next release to
improve the product.
Apparently many users have let them know about this, but they don't
seem inclined to fix it.
Not that many, but I'm running a campaign! I've pointed them in the direction of this thread and others so they can see how much business they are losing. i'd encourage you to email them.

It's hard to work out whether they do intend to fix it, because they don't say. They have a very corporate "thank you for your feedback, it means a lot to us and it has been forwarded to the development team" or "we do not disclose what may or may not be in future product releases".

John
 
About your questions:

I don't know about the speed with large databases. I have 4000 images in mine and it's fine. My biggest complaint about PSA2 was slow speed. I finally gave in and got a faster computer (upgraded from a 4yr old 800MHz to a new 3GHz machine) and now it's fine. If you have fairly new hardware, it will probably be fine. If you have older hardware, it will be slow at any size database. I don't know whether it slows down at 10,000 images or not as I'm not there yet. Since you have it, you should just try it. It won't cost you anything to try it out. The organizer doesn't touch your actual images so you can just point it at your directories of images, have it add all of them to your catalog and see how it performs.

I've heard that it does use an Access database. The tags apparently are stored in there in a binary form. Some others have apparently figured out how to get the tag info out of the database (there was a thread about that a few weeks ago - you might be able to find it by searching). They didn't say anything about the db being password protected so I doubt it is. I think the new organizer can be asked to copy all the tags into the images themselves (in preparation for an export), but I've not really understood what that meant or what you could do with it. The help system has a bunch of info on this topic. I know you can also export your category/tag hierarchy to an XML file.

I should preface my remarks, but saying the new organizer is a very good program. It's still the best I can find for my workflow and it's way, way better than PSA1 or PSA2 - both of which I used. That's said, I'm a picky software user. Here are some of my (mostly minor) grips about it. I've got 20 years of end-user software development in my blood so I'm really picky about user interface. While the organizer is better than most I've seen, I'm still annoyed by little things they didn't get quite right.

1) It should be a lot faster than it is. While it's no longer slow on my new computer, the whole point of an organizer is to improve your productivity - it should be lightning fast.

2) They waste a lot of screen real estate. In the organizer, there's a huge amount of border space around the pictures. I want to use as much screen as possible to see the largest possible image size whether I'm configured for one at a time display or 6 across by 4 down display.

3) The versioning stuff they have now is great in concept, but there are a few loose ends in the UI. In PSA2, they had it absolutely right with editing images. If you asked to edit an original, they'd automatically make a copy for you and pass the copy off to the editor. They made it impossible to accidentally edit an original and they automated the process of making a copy of the original before editing. In organizer, they've made it more powerful with arbitrary versioning, but also made it more confusing and easier to screw up. Now, everytime you go to save a file in the editor, you have to think about whether you want to save it as a new version or replace the one you opened - even if all you wanted to do was open, edit, save.

4) When you save something as a new version and then go back to the organizer, they lose your place in the organizer (scrolling it to the top). That's really lame because a typical workflow is to want to go on to the NEXT image and they've just lost your place in the organizer so you have to find where you were all over again.

5) When you open a version set to see the older versions (often to try a new derivative from the RAW file) and then close the version set, they lose your place in the organizer again and lose your tag set if you had some tags selected. Same reason as above - this is a waste of time.

--John
John-- I bought Album 1, installed it on one of my machines, but
never used it. I just got Elements 3 for the Organizer, but
haven't installed it yet. I am VERY tempted, since I need to do
something.

A couple of questions:

Any sense of speed and capacity for large image databases? Am I
correct that it uses an Access database? If so, is the database
open, e.g. can you open it in Access or is it password protected?

Where are the categories and other index info stored? Is it stored
in the image file? If you wanted to export your database to some
other product could you?

What are the things you still don't like about it? Since I am
basically a PhotoShopCS user, will I have any difficulty bypassing
the Elements part of this?

Thanks,

Kenny Frank
 
I think the new
organizer can be asked to copy all the tags into the images
themselves (in preparation for an export), but I've not really
understood what that meant or what you could do with it.
On request, the Organizer will write assigned tags into the IPTC keywords of the selected images. I believe it does not delete any existing keywords--it only adds new ones. In the database the tags are the leaf nodes of the tag hierarchy, but only the leaf names are written into the keywords--no hierarchy information.

You can also import keywords as tags when you are bringing in new pictures. I found this extremely useful as it was easy to manually patch up the hierarchy. One could obviously imagine more automatic systems, but this was okay.

I'm still playing with Organizer and I like this improved version. I pretty sure I'll stick with iView MediaPro, though, which is scriptable and generally more flexible. I like to use multiple catalogs in iView (simultaneously), which Organizer doesn't handle well.
 
I don't think anyone can really give any definitive info on a
future release of iMatch, since the developer basically keeps
pushing off the projected release date.
As we all know, Mario is not Adobe. Mario does this all in his spare time!!!

Mario has released several updates with new features over the last three months, and many features initially planned for the next major release are already available NOW in the IMatch version you are currently using.

Mario did not communicate a release date for IMatch ever. I said winter, and then I changed this to 2005. This is because of my high workload and some private business. After all I try to get a live outside of IMatch sometimes.

--
Mario Westphal
Author of IMatch - The Digital Image Management Solution
[email protected]
http://www.photools.com
 
Hi Mario--

A life? Are you kidding? I never heard of any software developer with a life.... :)

I appreciate your response to my comments and very much hope you don't misunderstand my perspective. I have nothing but the utmost respect for what you have done/are doing with iMatch, so I hope you don't interpret my comments as in any way hostile or antagonistic. Actually exactly the opposite is intended.

I bought your program some time ago (even though I have not yet adopted it as my image management database; I haven't adopted any other program either) and would happily pay you more if it would enable you to make enough money on it to make it into a real sustainable business. I'd be willing to be that a LOT of other people feel the same way. I can't see how you can make this work only charging $49 and giving away all your enhancements after that.... And I think that leaves you and your users in somewhat of a tricky bind.

It may be a part-time avocation to you, but I would be far more comfortable commiting to iMatch, putting the time, energy and reliance required to master it for my image catalog if I knew it were a profitable venture for you, sustaining the kind of development and support it will take to keep a product like this viable over the long haul.

I too develop software on nights and weekends (and during any other stolen moments) and I totally sympathize with you and fully understand how your best estimates of release dates, etc. get buried by the realities of software development, the press of customer support and whatever sliver of a life is left over.

But I honestly think that is precisely the heart of most of what you read in this forum, even if it isn't articulated that way.

I suspect I'm fairly typical: I have an urgent need to make a commitment to an image management system. Although the competition seems to be heating up a bit, many people believe that you have built the most powerful and extensible product on the market. And yet many people who want to adopt your product, are not willing to pull the trigger.

I know you are sick and tired of the "interface" discussions. I have been accused of being so sure about my products that I wasn't willing to really listen to other opinions. At some point that becomes a knee-jerk thing. For someone so intimately familiar with how something works, it is easy to underestimate someone else's difficulties.

Except for a few interface limitations, most "objections" have a more or less "simple" solution. Because iMatch is so powerful and potentially complex, the cumulative effect of those issues feels overwhelming to people who just want to "use" the product and don't want to learn a programming language. I haven't adopted your program, but I've spent a lot of time with it, read your manual, and scan your forum fairly regularly. I'm not just parroting what other people say.

Now, having probably sounded very arrogant and superior (which I really don't intend, but I really want to try to express my thoughts) I do have some constructive suggestions for you. While perhaps a bit radical, I can imagine that they might have an energizing and positive effect on your product.

We all know how IBM's decision to make the PC an open architecture and Apple's decision not to spawned an entire industry sprang around the PC.... Adobe's success is partly due to the plug-in architecture, providing an avenue for a wide range of people and organizations to extend the product. Look at http://www.remotecentral.com-- a site devoted to entertainment and home automation remote control. Literally thousands of interfaces built by the user community (some quite amazing and professional) are available there for review and download.

Clearly the major beef around iMatch is the interface. There are some additional features I think people really want, but as you and others have demonstrated, almost anything can be accomplished using your scripting language and built-in functions. So here's my idea:

You've got a pretty active and knowledgeable user base now, many of whom are knowledgeable programmers, and there are many other lurkers in the same category waiting to take the plunge. Why can't you open up your interface-- make the interface source (or major parts of it) open-- provide SDK access to the low level functions and scripts to anyone who pays you for a license-- provide a site for people to exchange their work (some people will be happy to give their work to you if you want to incorporate it, and if anyone wishes to sell plug-ins, require them to pay you for a developers' license.)

You don't have the resources to respond to everything people want and your idea of the interface may not suit everyone, so why not put the energy of many users and developers to work expanding your product? You might see a LOT of very positive activity and extension of iMatch in ways you could never have imagined.

I would also strongly recommend you post prototypes of your interface design for major features for comment by your users (even if its only a subset of users) before you commit to coding them. I know that is a little unorthodox, but I think you'd be way ahead of the game.

OK, I've exhausted myself with this post, and probably exhausted you as well. Hopefully you will know how much I really want you to succeed. You need a polished interface around your powerful engine. The market is really ripe for the taking, but unless someone buys you out if you don't do something you're going to get lost in the growing momentum of other products.

Maybe people will chime in on this, and instead of complaining perhaps they have some other good suggestions for you. I'm definitely on your team, and think many other people would be too

Thanks for listening, and I wish you only the best.

Kenny Frank
 
As we all know, Mario is not Adobe. Mario does this all in his
spare time!!!
Do not tell us that! The only relevant problem with iMatch is the
risk that it won’t survive market competition.
I have no intention to stop developing IMatch. After all I use it every day in my own workflow, to manage my own photos ;-)

I also see no risk in the "other" products. IMatch always targeted a rather demanding professional and semi-professional clientel. Adobe PSA, ACDSee etc. target the entry-level market (SOHO or "prosumer") and hence PSA is much more dangerous for ACDSee, T+ and others than for IMatch.

ACDSee, T+, FotoStation, Cumulus and some other tools existed long before IMatch hit the market, and they are still there. The niche for IMatch is growing, and IMatch is still ahead of the competition. And since I know what the next major release of IMatch can do, I'm really confident in the future success of IMatch :-)

I just need to clarifiy sometimes that IMatch is a shareware product, developed in my spare time. Yesterday I received 7 (!) emails from a forum user here on the board at my support address. I read emails directed at this address when I'm at home in the evening.

In the first email the user asked a question, and the other six emails (sent about 30 minutes apart) he compained that he had not received an answer ;-)

As all IMatch users know, a new IMatch "major release" is in the works. But this does not mean that I stop developing and supporting the current version. Hence I have to balance my time between supporting (and enhacing) the current product, and to work on the next release.

I have already included some features planned for the next major release in the current IMatch version, and I have also updated the RAW format support to include all latest camera models. I also fix the occasional glitch or bug.

Keeping the current IMatch version up-to-date and "bug free" and providing top first-level support is - in my opinion - more important than shipping the next major release a few weeks earlier.

Of course users want all at the same time. Top support for the current IMatch, timely answers to their emails and form postings, and also a new "major" release (whatever that will be) as soon as possible.

But I'm only human, and I do what I can. Unless I become rich by accident and can quit my real job, I need to divide my spare time between IMatch and "life" ;-)

--
Mario Westphal
Author of IMatch - The Digital Image Management Solution
[email protected]
http://www.photools.com
 

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