Is 1.3 crop factor the ultimate for use with....

[Jimmy Drew20683]

current lenses? We hear so much about the soft corners and light fall off even with L lenses on FF digital and of course the fact that you limit the view a great deal for landscape with 1.6 crop factor could it be that the 1.3 crop factor is the "REAL" standard this is needed to get the most out of todays lenses? I believe that the 1DMK11 series is a camera that paves the way for the uber digital camera. Use the 1.3 crop factor, bump it up to 18 MP's and seal off the sensor so no dust can accumulate. Put this in a 5D weather resistant size body. If either Nikon or Canon does this there will be no competition. This camera will be "The One".

Jimmy

 

[Lee Jay]

current lenses?

No.

We hear so much about the soft corners and light
fall off even with L lenses on FF digital...

Way too much of it, in fact.

and of course the fact
that you limit the view a great deal for landscape with 1.6 crop
factor could it be that the 1.3 crop factor is the "REAL" standard
this is needed to get the most out of todays lenses?

No. Anything the 1DII can do, the 5D can do better image-quality wise.

The only real sacrifice to going full-frame is the cost.

--
Lee Jay
(see profile for equipment)

 

[Jimmy Drew20683]

than why the cost? The 5 D is not that expensive compared with the 1 series. Are you saying that FF format gives gives you a better picture quality than 1.3 crop factor?

 

[Zuikoholic]

current lenses? We hear so much about the soft corners and light
fall off even with L lenses on FF digital and of course the fact
that you limit the view a great deal for landscape with 1.6 crop
factor could it be that the 1.3 crop factor is the "REAL" standard
this is needed to get the most out of todays lenses? I believe
that the 1DMK11 series is a camera that paves the way for the uber
digital camera. Use the 1.3 crop factor, bump it up to 18 MP's and
seal off the sensor so no dust can accumulate. Put this in a 5D
weather resistant size body. If either Nikon or Canon does this
there will be no competition. This camera will be "The One".

Jimmy

Something I hadn't considered, but that I now believe to be true, is that the 5D (and presumably the 1Ds and 1Ds II) give you 100% of the 35mm frame (of course we all knew that)... but remember that whether we were shootong slides or negatives, some of the image would be cropped, either by the slides frame or through printing. If you crop this amount from your 5D's images, you will already have lost most or all of these reported image problems. In other words, it's largely a beat up through mis-information (hey, I believed it too... but I no longer believe it).

The FF sensor is quite fine. Go with 1.3x crop if you want, but don't do it for the reasons you listed here!
--
So many lenses, so little time!

 

[dchao]

Nooooo!

Take the new 24-105L and mounted on your 1.6x crop APS-C camera, shot at 24mm and f/4. Guess what will happen? Vignetting

 

[tony field]

The 1.3 is a very fine choice for general photography - and makes currently available lenses (both Canon and Nikon) generally more useful. For example, the 24-70 is effectively a 31-90. I suspect MOST photographers could use this for many assignments without a lens change. I find I need to carry around either the 70-200 zoom or a 100 mm prime to make up for the needed reach.

Of course, you could argue the contrary and give specific examples.
--
tony
http://www.tphoto.ca

 

[Jimmy Drew20683]

around the 17-40L and 24 -70L and 70-200L as well. But I think when you measure all that you get with the 1.3 crop factor and we cannot forget FPS here...that is just may be the best of all the different crop factors. Again, the with about 18MP's and weather proofing and the 5D physical camera size......wow.....opps and dust control...

Jimmy

 

[Kung Pao Panda]

current lenses? We hear so much about the soft corners and light
fall off even with L lenses on FF digital and of course the fact
that you limit the view a great deal for landscape with 1.6 crop
factor could it be that the 1.3 crop factor is the "REAL" standard
this is needed to get the most out of todays lenses? I believe
that the 1DMK11 series is a camera that paves the way for the uber
digital camera. Use the 1.3 crop factor, bump it up to 18 MP's and
seal off the sensor so no dust can accumulate. Put this in a 5D
weather resistant size body. If either Nikon or Canon does this
there will be no competition. This camera will be "The One".

Jimmy

Something I hadn't considered, but that I now believe to be true,
is that the 5D (and presumably the 1Ds and 1Ds II) give you 100% of
the 35mm frame (of course we all knew that)... but remember that
whether we were shootong slides or negatives, some of the image
would be cropped, either by the slides frame or through printing.
If you crop this amount from your 5D's images, you will already
have lost most or all of these reported image problems. In other
words, it's largely a beat up through mis-information (hey, I
believed it too... but I no longer believe it).

The FF sensor is quite fine. Go with 1.3x crop if you want, but
don't do it for the reasons you listed here!
--
So many lenses, so little time!

Cropping? Hmmmmm....

I remember during the golden age of film not too long ago, the vogue was to photograph and print "full frame". So it was important to have lenses that were relatively sharp to the corners. Are you suggesting that now that we've gone to digital capture (in camera)- and 1.6/1.3 crop sensors its not as important, For FF isn't it even more important that lenses still be relatively sharp to the corners as well to get the maximum number of pixels in that image?

Thanks in advance.

10D, thinking of the 5D.

 

[Jimmy Drew20683]

system is not up to the task...so than what? How much do you actually loose between FF and a 1.3 crop factor when you print the image? Is it more important to have pixel density in a focused area rather than a lot of pixels that end up being not used? I firmly believe 1.3 is the answer...but again, I am no expert hence my questions.

Jimmy

 

[Kung Pao Panda]

can you use AFS lenses ie. 10-22 on the 1DsMK11n? 1.3 crop sensor

 

[Jimmy Drew20683]

1.3 crop factor is more acceptable than 1.5....you can use the standard lens system and if you still use film can swap back and forth.

Jimmy

 

[jdavideo]

just for Rebels and 20D
--
J.David

http://homepage.mac.com/jdavideo/

'The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.' --Steven Wright

 

[Zuikoholic]

Cropping? Hmmmmm....

I remember during the golden age of film not too long ago, the
vogue was to photograph and print "full frame". So it was
important to have lenses that were relatively sharp to the corners.
Are you suggesting that now that we've gone to digital capture (in
camera)- and 1.6/1.3 crop sensors its not as important, For FF
isn't it even more important that lenses still be relatively sharp
to the corners as well to get the maximum number of pixels in that
image?

Thanks in advance.

10D, thinking of the 5D.

I suggest nothing of the kind - I only provide an explanation as I see things. I am happy enough with my 5D and my lenses. I use the 16-35 f/2.8 L zoom for wide angle shots, and I use my Olympus Zuiko OM lenses for all other photos, and I'm happy with all of them. (I use the Canon zoom because it gives less apparent vignetting from what I've seen than my wide Olympus primes give).

What you or others choose to do is 100% up to you - you should know that these forums are opinions only - if you really want to know, try it out at the shop. I did that myself before I spent any money, and I'd hope that anyone else would do the same - unless you have so much $$$ that it doesn't matter if you don't like it later??

BTW, I must have missed the golden age of film - I never bothered with filing down anything so as to make my photos look like everyone elses!! (I'm not rubbishing your comment, just explaning my position - I love my 5D, and would recommend that you try it out before either rushing out and buying it or going off the idea altogether).
--
So many lenses, so little time!

 

[joebloe]

What's the matter with you?

-joseph

system is not up to the task...so than what? How much do you
actually loose between FF and a 1.3 crop factor when you print the
image? Is it more important to have pixel density in a focused
area rather than a lot of pixels that end up being not used? I
firmly believe 1.3 is the answer...but again, I am no expert hence
my questions.

--
Canon.

 

[FretNoMore]

Nooooo!

Take the new 24-105L and mounted on your 1.6x crop APS-C camera,
shot at 24mm and f/4. Guess what will happen? Vignetting

That's a lens optics problem, not a sensor size problem. Some lenses are better than others in this regard though most wideangles show some vignetting, especially at wide apertures.

• Anders @ http://www.andersostberg.com *

 

[FretNoMore]

...
The only real sacrifice to going full-frame is the cost.
...

Some would say the reduced frame rate is a very real loss too.

• Anders @ http://www.andersostberg.com *

 

[FretNoMore]

The lenses are designed for 24x36 but I feel the use of the lenses have definitely changed with digital cameras. People are not mainly printing full frame at 8x10 or projecting slides anymore but rather cropping heavily for composition as well as magnification. Not the best way to get good quality but very tempting to do as it's so easy. If this is the future of image making it would be great to have improved lenses with better resolution power.

• Anders @ http://www.andersostberg.com *

 

[dchao]

That's what the OP said:

"We hear so much about the soft corners and light fall off even with L lenses on FF digital and "

The OP did not believe that soft corners and light fall off will happen on 1.3x or 1.6x cropped sensors (even with L lenses). I was trying to proof otherwise.

 

[FretNoMore]

That's what the OP said:

"We hear so much about the soft corners and light fall off even
with L lenses on FF digital and "

The OP did not believe that soft corners and light fall off will
happen on 1.3x or 1.6x cropped sensors (even with L lenses). I was
trying to proof otherwise.

OK, I agree. Such lens problems do in general get smaller on a cropped sensor though as the central part of the glass is better.

• Anders @ http://www.andersostberg.com *

 

[PhotoMan187881]

I have a 5D, 10D and a 20D. I have NO vignetting with any of my lenses, NOR is there any appreciable "softness" or "tearing" at corners! I have a 10-22, 17-40, 24-70, 70-200 and awaiting a 100-400 lens. Using a 10-22 lens, a non L piece of glass is not as decent as my 17-40 on my 5D. I love them all. Photo Man.