Initial thoughts on the Promaster 5750DX TTL flash

The place has a website, but its just info/advertising, no online catalog or ordering; However, the contact info is all there. Call and ask for Erin, she is very helpful and knowledgable. She is at the Metairrie location.
The website is

Let me know what they say.
I bought one this morning!
5750DX for $99.00
I have it in my furry paws right now.
I ordered the adapter/module/ whatchamacallit...
9901 for $49.00 plus frieght
they verified availability by phone and it should be here tomorrow.

I did make a mistake in the earlier post (actually their mistake)
the 5550 is $79.00.

Yes, these are American dollars, and yes, that $50 cheaper than I
saw it anywhere on the web. I don't know the reason, and I didn't
argue.
That is definitely a good deal on the 5750. I have been on the
fence as to which flash to get for my UZI, but that deal makes my
decision for me. Think you could give us a line on where you got it
Slaughter? I won't be in the neighborhood any time soon, but maybe
they will ship? Thanks.

Mark
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R. Slaughter
Vegetarian: Old Indian word for 'Bad Hunter'
C+54.772256^2Z

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On the other hand, having the secondary fill light
on the 5750DX is nice, and the FL-40 doesn't have that, and it is
nice to use whatever bracket I want, instead of having to use the
FL-CB01/FL-BK01 combination.
Do you think one can use the built-in (pop-up) flash to substitute for the fill light with the 5550dx? Also one occasional problem I have noticed is described in this thread:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1008&message=2075792
Have you noticed anything similar? Thanks.

--
Misha
 
On the other hand, having the secondary fill light
on the 5750DX is nice, and the FL-40 doesn't have that, and it is
nice to use whatever bracket I want, instead of having to use the
FL-CB01/FL-BK01 combination.
Do you think one can use the built-in (pop-up) flash to substitute
for the fill light with the 5550dx? Also one occasional problem I
have noticed is described in this thread:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1008&message=2075792
Have you noticed anything similar? Thanks.
Yes you can use the pop-up flash as a fill flash (assuming you are within range of the flash). I haven't used fill flashes much yet, I've always wondered whether they would show red-eye effects, particularly when using the on-board flash.

I don't recall seeing the smearing that was described, but I have to imagine that any TTL flash (Oly, Promaster, Metz) would give the same result. It might be a warranty problem (though you would probably have to show that it would happen with a FL-40). It might be interesting to see if you could make it happen repeatily with the Promaster (certainly if you are going to send it in to Oly, having a way to repeat it makes it more likely they will fix it), and then ask hear if there is somebody near you with a FL-40 that you could do the test with.
 
R. Slaughter, what is the name of the store and the location. I am close to new orleans.
The place has a website, but its just info/advertising, no online
catalog or ordering; However, the contact info is all there. Call
and ask for Erin, she is very helpful and knowledgable. She is at
the Metairrie location.
The website is
Missed the URL? :-)
Let me know what they say.
--
Misha
 
THANKS! That's the information I was looking for. Now you are using a UZI, correct?
I tried it this morning, and if I turn on continious mode, the
Promaster will take pictures about once a second for the first 5
pictures (the flash tells the camera when it is ready). The 6th
picture the flash doesn't fire, and the 7th picture it does,
however I didn't have freshly charged batteries, so it might not
have had enough charge. I also tried it with the standard non-TTL
adapter (#71177) I just picked up for $20 (I want to experiement
with 2 flashes and get a pc-sync y connector), and the UZI fires at
its normal rate, and the flash only fires on a few pictures, the
rest are dark. The standard adapter does have a 1/16th power mode,
the Olympus TTL adapter does not (one of the other TTL adapters has
a 1/16 power mode).
 
I thought I pasted it (I know I did) but it didn't take..
Its Lakeside Camera & Imaging
http://www.lakesidecamera.com
I'll check to make sure it "took" this time

Sorry 'bout that I was on my way out when I posted it before and I didn't check it.
The place has a website, but its just info/advertising, no online
catalog or ordering; However, the contact info is all there. Call
and ask for Erin, she is very helpful and knowledgable. She is at
the Metairrie location.
The website is
Missed the URL? :-)
Let me know what they say.
--
Misha
--
R. Slaughter
Vegetarian: Old Indian word for 'Bad Hunter'
C+54.772256^2Z

http://www.pbase.com/nufsed/galleries
 
Just to make sure it gets to you, here's the rest:
3508 21st St.
Metairie, LA 70002

Phone: 504-885-8660
Fax: 504-454-7872

Mon-Fri: 8-6; Sat: 9-6
Sorry 'bout that I was on my way out when I posted it before and I
didn't check it.
The place has a website, but its just info/advertising, no online
catalog or ordering; However, the contact info is all there. Call
and ask for Erin, she is very helpful and knowledgable. She is at
the Metairrie location.
The website is
Missed the URL? :-)
Let me know what they say.
--
Misha
--
R. Slaughter
Vegetarian: Old Indian word for 'Bad Hunter'
C+54.772256^2Z

http://www.pbase.com/nufsed/galleries
--
R. Slaughter
Vegetarian: Old Indian word for 'Bad Hunter'
C+54.772256^2Z

http://www.pbase.com/nufsed/galleries
 
BTW: they had plenty of the flashes in stock 5550 & 5750

They also had the 'other' Olympus module, the one that has an Olympus-compatible hotshoe, this is the one that could be used IF you already had the Oly bracket and CB-01 cable or if you were gonna put it on an E-10 or E-20.

They had a lot of Promaster stuff...even batteries (1600mah) media card cases, etc, etc.
Phone: 504-885-8660
Fax: 504-454-7872

Mon-Fri: 8-6; Sat: 9-6
Sorry 'bout that I was on my way out when I posted it before and I
didn't check it.
The place has a website, but its just info/advertising, no online
catalog or ordering; However, the contact info is all there. Call
and ask for Erin, she is very helpful and knowledgable. She is at
the Metairrie location.
The website is
Missed the URL? :-)
Let me know what they say.
--
Misha
--
R. Slaughter
Vegetarian: Old Indian word for 'Bad Hunter'
C+54.772256^2Z

http://www.pbase.com/nufsed/galleries
--
R. Slaughter
Vegetarian: Old Indian word for 'Bad Hunter'
C+54.772256^2Z

http://www.pbase.com/nufsed/galleries
--
R. Slaughter
Vegetarian: Old Indian word for 'Bad Hunter'
C+54.772256^2Z

http://www.pbase.com/nufsed/galleries
 
BTW: they had plenty of the flashes in stock 5550 & 5750
They also had the 'other' Olympus module, the one that has an
Olympus-compatible hotshoe, this is the one that could be used IF
you already had the Oly bracket and CB-01 cable or if you were
gonna put it on an E-10 or E-20.
Of if you had a C-2500 or were going to buy the new C-5050 (which by the way only seems to have the hot-shoe and not the 5 pin TTL port).
 
how does the brightness of your shots with the Promaster compare to the Kalimar and the built-in flash? Do you find you need to brighten up the images in editing? With my 5550dx exposures more often than not turn out on the dim side - I compared shots with the Promaster (aperture priority, 5.0 - 5.6) and with the buil-in flash alone (within the range of the on-board flash) - often the latter come out brighter and more evenly lit. So far I'm a bit disappointed.

--
Misha
 
Just got off the phone with Erin at Lakeside Camera, and she confirmed $99 for the 5750DX, and $40 for the Oly module. The module is not in stock, but they will have it in a week or so. When they get it, they will ship both to me for $10. Thats a great price for that flash! Thanks again Ricky for the heads up!

Michael, I want to add my kudos to the long list of folks who have benefited by your flash work and FAQ. Priceless! I have another question if you don't mind - I plan on using this flash for some amateur (family) portrait work where I would want the flash a fair distance away from the camera - on a tripod. My thinking is that I may not allways want to have the on-camera flash operating to get the proper shadows on the face, (which would precude the use of an optical trigger?) so what would be the best way to trigger it? You mention a pc splitter. Would I need a different module for that? Or would radio triggers be better. I know next to nothing about this, so any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

Mark
 
how does the brightness of your shots with the Promaster compare to
the Kalimar and the built-in flash? Do you find you need to
brighten up the images in editing? With my 5550dx exposures more
often than not turn out on the dim side - I compared shots with the
Promaster (aperture priority, 5.0 - 5.6) and with the buil-in flash
alone (within the range of the on-board flash) - often the latter
come out brighter and more evenly lit. So far I'm a bit
disappointed.
A couple of things that you've probably already checked, but in case you haven't: 1) make sure both the exposure composition and the flash power levels are set to 0; 2) make sure the TTL light is on with the adapter (turn on flash before turning on camera, or switch to review mode and back to aperture priority mode); 3) Use aperture priority and not manual mode; 4) check where your flash is pointing on your bracket -- try hand holding the flash and point at slightly different angles and positions.

I'm at work right now, but I will try to remember to either dig up the test shots I took when I first got the flash (where I did went through most of the combinations), or take some new shots. In general I don't recall having to brighten shots with the 5750DX, and I did have to do that with the Kalimar (which was one of the reasons I went for the TTL flash). I do recall closeup shots, particularly macros as not coming out, and I now tend to photograph these by bouncing light off of the ceiling.

I did buy the generic adapter (71177) and try it out, since I want to experiment with 2 flashes, and the flash seems to be an f-stop off from it is claimed to be (I don't recall whether it is more light or less).
 
Just got off the phone with Erin at Lakeside Camera, and she
confirmed $99 for the 5750DX, and $40 for the Oly module.
Mark, just to check - $40 for the module - R.Slaughter reported
$49? Thanks.

--
Misha
Yeah Misha, I wondered about that too, so I called Erin back and she said that she made a mistake, and that it actually was $49, but she will honor the $40 she quoted me. Thats definitely the kind of service that promotes customer loyalty!

Mark
 
Michael, I want to add my kudos to the long list of folks who have
benefited by your flash work and FAQ. Priceless! I have another
question if you don't mind - I plan on using this flash for some
amateur (family) portrait work where I would want the flash a fair
distance away from the camera - on a tripod. My thinking is that I
may not allways want to have the on-camera flash operating to get
the proper shadows on the face, (which would precude the use of an
optical trigger?) so what would be the best way to trigger it? You
mention a pc splitter. Would I need a different module for that? Or
would radio triggers be better. I know next to nothing about this,
so any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
Thanks for the kudos.

I'm confused as to what you are trying to do, so let me mention some possibilities.

1) Having one flash, some distance away from the camera. Many wedding photographers use this type of setup with a bracket that has the flash about 12" away from the lens so they don't have red-eye. The favored position is above the camera so that shadows will fall down, instead of to the sides as it would be on L-shaped brackets with the light off to one side. In this case, you you not enable the on-board flash.

2) Having one flash, bouncing the light off of a ceiling, wall, or a bounce card. This makes the light softer and more even. I tend to favor this approach using a Lumiquest midi-bounce (~ $20-30), particularly when shooting people/pets in non-posed situations. You do lose some amount of distance that the flash can reach by this approach.

3) Having two flashes, one that provides most of the light bounced off of a bounce card, and the other that acts as a fill flash. You can use either the builtin flash or on the fill light on the 5750DX. I haven't really tried this yet, but I would worry about the fill flash causing red-eye.

4) Having two or more independent flashes. Typically when you do this, you leave the realm of TTL flashes, and need to go to manual flash setups where you fix the f-stop and speed. For this I bought the 71177 adapter, which takes a pc-sync connector, and use the FL-CB04 cable I used with the Kalimar flash. I haven't bought it yet, but you can get Y adapters that split pc-sync between two flashes, each of which has a wire connecting it to the Y adapter. There are many different thoughts on light placement (see the various books on studio photography, or browse the lighting forum). One thought is to have the main flash in front, and have a hair highlight flash behind your subjects.

5) A varient on #4 is to have the second flash be a slave flash, triggered either optically (with a slave trigger that can ignore the pre-flash) or via a radio transmitter (that takes a pc-sync input). The advantage here is less wires.

6) More involved studio setups include things like Alien Bees, which are beyond my expertise.
 
A couple of things that you've probably already checked, but in
case you haven't: 1) make sure both the exposure composition and
the flash power levels are set to 0; 2) make sure the TTL light is
on with the adapter (turn on flash before turning on camera, or
switch to review mode and back to aperture priority mode); 3) Use
aperture priority and not manual mode; 4) check where your flash is
pointing on your bracket -- try hand holding the flash and point at
slightly different angles and positions.
One other thing -- check whether the flash head is in the zoom or wide angle position, also make sure your batteries are charged up.
 

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