Image Storage

[maspa]

Kinda repeating myself here from an earlier threat....

MY portible device is the iPod from apple, 40GB at not the cheapest but a fair price, compared to all those flash-cards, micro-drives that go up to 4GB for not much less $$$.

Got a special card-reader for it and it will hold some 2400 RAW's next to providing me with the moment's musical-choice from my 300CD's library,

the device is made to be portable, it can take a shake, has a fire-wire for super-fast xfer (about 120 RAWs/minute) and a battery that last me about 2days on vivid ussage

a slightly cheaper solution in $ GB is the 40GB or 80GB Jukebox from ARCHOS (AV380), but comes with a USB only, but will also 'double' as a stereo system.

finally - and that may be the best choice for photographers: INNOPLUS Phototainer, 40GB with a LCD to preview pictures...cost 700 Sfr (500ish USD?) probably some other functions, MP3?, .....ANYONE has the device to share his experiences?

 

[flummox]

I have a 40 gig efilm. I love that damn thing. When I got it I was wondering if 40 gig was overkill, but I know now it's not. I have tons of images there plus backed up onto DVDR.

I liked this one because I had a $200 off certificate and it had an LCD screen to view photos. However, I cannot view NEF on there so in a way the LCD didn't do me any good.

I considered the Ipod but I already owned an mp3 player and really I wanted an image tank...that was it. Less risk for corrupt files and such.

That reminds me, I need to contact Delkin to see if there's a firmware upgrade to handle nef files.

I'm not a fan of HDDs for archive (it's not a question of if they
fail, it just a matter of when they fail).

Hi there,

My D70 SHOULD be here in exactly one week's time (so long as the
store gets enough to fill their orders up to mine!!).

Anyway, I'm just wondering how you guys store your images? Do you
put them in folders by date?... or by subject? ... Do you use a
database program? (which ones?). Do you store them on HDD or CD/DVD?

Are there any sites on the net that could give me advice? I've
searched database programs but there are so many out there and I
have no idea what I'd need feature wise.

Thanks for any help
Paul

 

[gerards]

I read a review that the archos 220 has trouble reading Lexar CF cards and also transfering large files from CF card.

Anyone know this to be true? I read it on Cnet's editorial review.

I'm kind of between getting this archos device or a 1 gig card. How practical (and reliable) is it to carry this device around to onload a CF card while out shooting? are we talking a 2 minute operation or sit down, get comfy and wait 20 min?

g

I suqqest that you get photoshop CS where is very good database
options inside the program. At least I store my images first to HDD
but after I have done all corrections (crop, image size etc...) I
copy backup copy to DVD/CD (including original file from camera and
variations). After I get my CS there hasn't been any problem to
find and sort pictures.

For portable HDD good option is Archos Gmini 220. It's a very small
and light weight. And it have good batterylife (approx. 10h).

I hope that helps you to make decissions

Raido

Hi there,

My D70 SHOULD be here in exactly one week's time (so long as the
store gets enough to fill their orders up to mine!!).

Anyway, I'm just wondering how you guys store your images? Do you
put them in folders by date?... or by subject? ... Do you use a
database program? (which ones?). Do you store them on HDD or CD/DVD?

Are there any sites on the net that could give me advice? I've
searched database programs but there are so many out there and I
have no idea what I'd need feature wise.

Thanks for any help
Paul

 

[petercarvalho]

Hmm... I've heard a lot of complaints about how slow the Belkin Media Reader is for the iPod. How trying to copy a 1 gig card will completely drain the ipod's battery supply (approx 100 or so raws). What are your thoughts on this?

• Peter

Kinda repeating myself here from an earlier threat....

MY portible device is the iPod from apple, 40GB at not the cheapest
but a fair price, compared to all those flash-cards, micro-drives
that go up to 4GB for not much less $$$.

Got a special card-reader for it and it will hold some 2400 RAW's
next to providing me with the moment's musical-choice from my
300CD's library,
the device is made to be portable, it can take a shake, has a
fire-wire for super-fast xfer (about 120 RAWs/minute) and a battery
that last me about 2days on vivid ussage

a slightly cheaper solution in $ GB is the 40GB or 80GB Jukebox
from ARCHOS (AV380), but comes with a USB only, but will also
'double' as a stereo system.

finally - and that may be the best choice for photographers:
INNOPLUS Phototainer, 40GB with a LCD to preview pictures...cost
700 Sfr (500ish USD?) probably some other functions, MP3?,
.....ANYONE has the device to share his experiences?

 

[Mario Westphal]

Thanks. I'm downloading IMatch now.

Is it at all possible to export part of the database + program onto
a CD so that I can send images to people? (I know BR's
Photoarchiver does this... but it's too buggy for me to use
reliably!).

Paul

-------------------------------------------------
Not sure exactly how to respond. You will find Mario (IMatch
author) to be helpful, knowledgeable and responsive to inquiries
like yours. Send him a quick e-mail.
TMc

Due to various technical reasons, it's not possible to put an IMatch database to a disk and ship it (the viewer would require IMatch too).

But IMatch allows you to create web galleries from your images with many options, including navigation based on your categories, or IPTC data. You can create a web gallery from selected images, and burn the resulting files to a CD-ROM. Your viewers will only require a web browser to view the gallery. Many pro's use that feature to send out porfolios or galleries to customers and friends...

--
Mario Westphal
Author of IMatch - The Digital Image Management Solution
[email protected]
http://www.photools.com

 

[Ben Lovejoy]

Since you have them backed up several times it wouldn't matter...
but I'd be more worried about a physical hard drive crash than
viruses. Hard drives aren't designed to be carried around and are
quite sensitive to shocks and bumps. (speaking from experience!)

Actually, laptop drives and microdrives are designed to be carried around. They are usually tested to something like 200Gs of force.

I keep my main copies of photos on my laptop. When I'm at home, my backup is an external firewire hard drive. When I'm travelling, it's an external PCMCIA hard drive.

I don't routinely burn CDs: the chances of both hard drives failing at the same time is almost zero (especially as the backup drives are only powered up for the duration of the backup).

Ben

--
http://www.benlovejoy.com/photography/

 

[matrix07]

don't know about Lexar. mine works fine with Sandisk UltraII. no problem download NEF files from 256 MB card. the download speed is ok but the transfer speed to PC is very fast.

Anyone know this to be true? I read it on Cnet's editorial review.

I'm kind of between getting this archos device or a 1 gig card. How
practical (and reliable) is it to carry this device around to
onload a CF card while out shooting? are we talking a 2 minute
operation or sit down, get comfy and wait 20 min?

g

I suqqest that you get photoshop CS where is very good database
options inside the program. At least I store my images first to HDD
but after I have done all corrections (crop, image size etc...) I
copy backup copy to DVD/CD (including original file from camera and
variations). After I get my CS there hasn't been any problem to
find and sort pictures.

For portable HDD good option is Archos Gmini 220. It's a very small
and light weight. And it have good batterylife (approx. 10h).

I hope that helps you to make decissions

Raido

Hi there,

My D70 SHOULD be here in exactly one week's time (so long as the
store gets enough to fill their orders up to mine!!).

Anyway, I'm just wondering how you guys store your images? Do you
put them in folders by date?... or by subject? ... Do you use a
database program? (which ones?). Do you store them on HDD or CD/DVD?

Are there any sites on the net that could give me advice? I've
searched database programs but there are so many out there and I
have no idea what I'd need feature wise.

Thanks for any help
Paul

 

[gerards]

I don't quite get it;

How can ANY mechanical device be more reliable than a CD?

Last summer during a yearly 2-month (summer) teaching gig I have in Europe, I shot some 1,500 5 MP images with my old Sony 707. Every evening I would dump my 6 memory sticks onto my VAio's (laptop) HDD and then burn a CD, lable it, and forget about it. All files were deleted from my laptop's HDD because of space needs. HDD's DO have a capacity limit.

Done deal. WHat could be more sure, secure and reliable? If you store the CD in a sleeve/binder/box etc, it is literally IMPOSSIBLE to lose data for say, 10 years? Maybe I'm missing something here. If anyone knows what that is (from experience, not "hypotherical analysis") please care to share

g

Since you have them backed up several times it wouldn't matter...
but I'd be more worried about a physical hard drive crash than
viruses. Hard drives aren't designed to be carried around and are
quite sensitive to shocks and bumps. (speaking from experience!)

Actually, laptop drives and microdrives are designed to be
carried around. They are usually tested to something like 200Gs of
force.

I keep my main copies of photos on my laptop. When I'm at home, my
backup is an external firewire hard drive. When I'm travelling,
it's an external PCMCIA hard drive.

I don't routinely burn CDs: the chances of both hard drives failing
at the same time is almost zero (especially as the backup drives
are only powered up for the duration of the backup).

Ben

--
http://www.benlovejoy.com/photography/

 

[Ben Lovejoy]

and then burn a CD, lable it, and forget about it. All files were
deleted from my laptop's HDD because of space needs. HDD's DO have
a capacity limit.

Done deal. WHat could be more sure, secure and reliable?

Multiple copies. CDs can and do fail.

If you
store the CD in a sleeve/binder/box etc, it is literally IMPOSSIBLE
to lose data for say, 10 years?

No, far from it. A CD may last 10 years, it may last 100 years, or it may fail tomorrow.

Two of anything is pretty safe, be it hard drives, CDs or DVDs. Three is incredibly safe. A single copy of a photo on any medium is asking for trouble.

Ben

--
http://www.benlovejoy.com/photography/

 

[Rliotta]

Basically a consumer must first buy the "case" this is the box that
the hardrive will fit into and the USB or firewire will be attached
to. Basically the case is a small aluminum box that nicely fits
around the drive and allows it to work outside a regular computer
desktop or laptop. A desktop HDD is about the size of a small novel
and a laptop case is about the size of a slim cigarette pack
(slims).

Most cases can run around $50-100 depending on whether you go USB
1, 2 or firewire or desktop/laptop. Nice cases are also more
shockproof and sleeker.

After you have the case you can use an old or new hardrive - any
drive will do - then open the case, put the drive in, close the
case and install. 99% are plug and play so with XP you never need
drivers.

There are waaaaayyy to many names to list but I have a laptop case
and HDD - more expensive but way smaller than a desktop hardrive -
but here's what I got

http://www.anypakusa.com/

Joel.

I have all of them also on my hardrive always too so in many cases
I got 3 sets of copies.

I figure I've gone years and years with only one set of film
negatives that I would need to preserve and that has gone fine,
with a portable drive I hookup and unhook once loaded - if I need
the images for editting I have them on my main drive. If you load
only images I think virus problems and other nasty things will not
occur 99.99999% of the time.

Avoid putting other files such as music and programs on the drive
as viruses can use these to exploit the drive.

Joel.

I decided as I travel constantly to invest in a portable harddrive
(Anypack + 60Gig drive) designed for a notebook HDD. If I wasn't
traveling I would have gone to a firewire desktop portable HDD as I
can go to about 200Gig for about the same price.

The portable drive is handy as I can take it on trips and upload
all images usually in hotels or in cafes via USB 2.0.

Joel

Hi there,

My D70 SHOULD be here in exactly one week's time (so long as the
store gets enough to fill their orders up to mine!!).

Anyway, I'm just wondering how you guys store your images? Do you
put them in folders by date?... or by subject? ... Do you use a
database program? (which ones?). Do you store them on HDD or CD/DVD?

Are there any sites on the net that could give me advice? I've
searched database programs but there are so many out there and I
have no idea what I'd need feature wise.

Thanks for any help
Paul

 

[Rliotta]

Whats your information regarding the possible increased longevity of RW vs. R media. I read one article, talked about somewhere in this forum, suggesting that this might be true--but do you have more data/info/support for this view?

I'm not a fan of HDDs for archive (it's not a question of if they
fail, it just a matter of when they fail).

Hi there,

My D70 SHOULD be here in exactly one week's time (so long as the
store gets enough to fill their orders up to mine!!).

Anyway, I'm just wondering how you guys store your images? Do you
put them in folders by date?... or by subject? ... Do you use a
database program? (which ones?). Do you store them on HDD or CD/DVD?

Are there any sites on the net that could give me advice? I've
searched database programs but there are so many out there and I
have no idea what I'd need feature wise.

Thanks for any help
Paul

 

[Huge]

Rliotta,

1 Some years ago I was a research chemist.
2 http://www.burnworld.com/cdr/primer/whatis.htm
3 http://www.dpreview.com/news/0404/04042201cdrlifetime.asp

4 I now work for a bank (as an IT professional) and a few years ago we investigated long term archival of transaction journals.

Hope this helps.

I'm not a fan of HDDs for archive (it's not a question of if they
fail, it just a matter of when they fail).

Hi there,

My D70 SHOULD be here in exactly one week's time (so long as the
store gets enough to fill their orders up to mine!!).

Anyway, I'm just wondering how you guys store your images? Do you
put them in folders by date?... or by subject? ... Do you use a
database program? (which ones?). Do you store them on HDD or CD/DVD?

Are there any sites on the net that could give me advice? I've
searched database programs but there are so many out there and I
have no idea what I'd need feature wise.

Thanks for any help
Paul