How to create a LUT having 2 files to match?

[al404]

I would like to create a LUT of the X-E1's Provia film simulation so that I can apply it to the S9's RAWs.

I have both cameras, the Fuji X-E1 and the Panasonic S9, and also a color checker.

Is there any software that does this automatically from two shots?
Alternatively to do it by hand how should one proceed?

 

[boldcolors]

I would like to create a LUT of the X-E1's Provia film simulation so that I can apply it to the S9's RAWs.

I have both cameras, the Fuji X-E1 and the Panasonic S9, and also a color checker.

Is there any software that does this automatically from two shots?
Alternatively to do it by hand how should one proceed?

That's not something you do "just like that". I am not aware of any software that can generate a LUT based on a color checker response. There is MUCH more to it than just a reference card with 24 patches. That is normally used to normalize a color output, not to generate a creative look. But give AI a few more years and we might be there.

You can do it manually but it will take TIME and knowledge. For now I would recommend to save your time and have a look at some 3rd party solutions like Cobalt. They have ACR profiles for Fujifilm digital simulations for most cameras and will likely get your S9 in the ballpark but chances are that there will still be a visible difference between your Fujifilm and Pana if you compare them side by side. The sensors are different and have different CFA, filters and spectral response. Also lenses and their transmission curves matter.

Again, matching two cameras by neutralizing their color look with a color checker profile is one thing, trying to achieve a brand signature look is a completely different story.

 

[al404]

Again, matching two cameras by neutralizing their color look with a color checker profile is one thing, trying to achieve a brand signature look is a completely different story.

At my eyes the main difference is color matching, I than manipulate highlights, shadow, contrast based on the scene

Cobalt, as far as I remember, as a differente scope. It should bring camera colors to a more "neutral" look.

 

[boldcolors]

Again, matching two cameras by neutralizing their color look with a color checker profile is one thing, trying to achieve a brand signature look is a completely different story.

At my eyes the main difference is color matching, I than manipulate highlights, shadow, contrast based on the scene

Cobalt, as far as I remember, as a differente scope. It should bring camera colors to a more "neutral" look.

I am not sure I fully understood your reply but Cobalt has a two-step approach to their profiles. Step one is to get the baseline profiles that (allegedly) are custom made for each camera out there. This could be defined as "neutralizing" as far as possible.

Step two is to buy the creative profiles to be used on top of the baseline profiles. They have many different looks such as Kodak film simulations, Canon classic colors, Fujifilm (both digital and film)

They look OK but can have a very different response depending on which camera you use. That is why I highlighted that it can be very difficult to mimic the real look. Especially if your intention is to shoot the Fujifilm and S9 side by side.

Or you can try DxO. They have their own version of Fujilfilm simulations.

 

[P450]

I tried Lutifyme (might have a different name now) a while back but I don't shoot enough video. Nevertheless, I believe it has a feature to create a LUT from an image. The example was along the lines of create a LUT from a movie or photo you like. Their support was highly responsive. Capture One also has a match photo feature that might do what you want and you can create a preset.

 

[Cristir]

Again, matching two cameras by neutralizing their color look with a color checker profile is one thing, trying to achieve a brand signature look is a completely different story.

At my eyes the main difference is color matching, I than manipulate highlights, shadow, contrast based on the scene

Cobalt, as far as I remember, as a differente scope. It should bring camera colors to a more "neutral" look.

I am not sure I fully understood your reply but Cobalt has a two-step approach to their profiles. Step one is to get the baseline profiles that (allegedly) are custom made for each camera out there. This could be defined as "neutralizing" as far as possible.

Step two is to buy the creative profiles to be used on top of the baseline profiles. They have many different looks such as Kodak film simulations, Canon classic colors, Fujifilm (both digital and film)

They look OK but can have a very different response depending on which camera you use. That is why I highlighted that it can be very difficult to mimic the real look. Especially if your intention is to shoot the Fujifilm and S9 side by side.

Or you can try DxO. They have their own version of Fujilfilm simulations.

I've tested the jpg output from my FujiFilm camera with a film simulation and the output from a nikon camera with neutral cobalt profile and the cobalt fujifilm digital simulation on top and the resulting images are nearly identical.

So, yes, from my limited testing experience, with the cameras that I have, I would say that Cobalt is a pretty good compromise. Of course, I can't speak for any camera out there.

 

[al404]

So if I got it right I should buy

Panasonic S9 ( is not in list but they have S5 II I wrote to ask advice )

+

Fuji Film Digital

Since I also own a Zf I can then just need to buy the basic pack for Zf

and I will share Fuji Digital with all my camera

 

[boldcolors]

So if I got it right I should buy

Panasonic S9 ( is not in list but they have S5 II I wrote to ask advice )

+

Fuji Film Digital

Since I also own a Zf I can then just need to buy the basic pack for Zf

and I will share Fuji Digital with all my camera

Correct. You only need to get the basic packs for each camera, not the emulation pack. That you only need once and they will work for all cameras you have the basic pack for.

But start with one camera in case the result is not to your liking. They are quite $$$

 

[al404]

It seem to work that way only for Adobe

for C1 simulation are tailored with camera

I guess I will see what C1 is going to announce next month an since I'm a Mac user and Photomator has been acquired from Apple I will also wait to see what will happen

 

[Night Pixel]

I would like to create a LUT of the X-E1's Provia film simulation so that I can apply it to the S9's RAWs.

I have both cameras, the Fuji X-E1 and the Panasonic S9, and also a color checker.

Is there any software that does this automatically from two shots?
Alternatively to do it by hand how should one proceed?

There is a product from Picture Instruments called Master Match . Kind of pricey.

"MASTER MATCH lets you synchronize any camera to any other camera. From drone and action cam footage, to iPhone recordings to professional film, any type of output can be matched. With a large library of camera models to chose from, Master Match lets you apply popular camera looks to your own footage quickly. The 3D LUT and ICC Profile output can be used in almost any video and photo application. Also, for the first time ever, you can steal looks. A before/after image pair that you want to emulate or even a single screenshot of a desired look are enough for Master Match to produce."

• Match any camera, from drone footage to professional film.
• Apply the look of Popular cameras like Arri Alexa or Red Dragon to your own footage.
• Calibrate your camera for true-to-life color reproduction in product photography.
• Work with any color reference card or even without.
• Multilevel grayscale white balance neutralizes temperature and tint.
• Extract the look of before/after images.
• Color grade in any video or photo application by simply using the generated 3D LUT file or ICC profile.

They also make a program calledLUT MIXER .

"LUT Mixer opens up completely new creative possibilities when you work with LUTs. Most programs can only apply multiple LUTs one at a time. Since many LUTs are optimized to be used on neutral images, the second LUT you apply will usually not give you the desired result. With LUT Mixer, you can combine up to five LUTs and decide whether you want to apply them stronger or weaker than they are. In addition, you can protect the skin tones from the influence of the LUTs and edit them separately. This way you don't have to push the sliders forever to get a cool look. There are no limits to your creativity."

• Protection of skin tones from the influence of LUTs
• Subsequently restoring and adjusting skin tones
• Increase LUTs up to a maximum level of 150%
• Applying LUTs negatively instead of only positively
• Intuitive mixing of LUTs
• Simple adjustment of professional looks
• Standardized average calculation automatically adjusts the total intensity
• Suitable for LUT-systems (separate LUTs for colorings and contrasts)

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