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I am adding commercial product photography to my services and I was asked recently how big a image my E-10 can print, as in bringing a file to a print service place. Poster size? Bigger? Any ideas? Does Olympus offer an offical maximum size? Is there any benchmark for a 4 megapixel camera?

What is the biggest size you have printed? I do want it to be as big as possible without being able to tell it is digital or to see pixels.

Thanks!

Frank-- http://www.franklinmcmahon.com/
 
Frank,

I regularly print to 13x18 inch stock on my Epson 1200 and 17x22 inch stock on my Epson 3000, and in my view and that of my customers the prints are excellant. I use the enlargement algorhythm in PS 6 There are those who've used Genuine Fractiles v2 and feel that they get good results.
gordon
I am adding commercial product photography to my services and I was
asked recently how big a image my E-10 can print, as in bringing a
file to a print service place. Poster size? Bigger? Any ideas? Does
Olympus offer an offical maximum size? Is there any benchmark for a
4 megapixel camera?

What is the biggest size you have printed? I do want it to be as
big as possible without being able to tell it is digital or to see
pixels.

Thanks!

Frank
--
http://www.franklinmcmahon.com/
 
Hi,
Whats the enlargement algorhythm and where is it in p.s.6.0 ?
Thanks,
Bryan
I am adding commercial product photography to my services and I was
asked recently how big a image my E-10 can print, as in bringing a
file to a print service place. Poster size? Bigger? Any ideas? Does
Olympus offer an offical maximum size? Is there any benchmark for a
4 megapixel camera?

What is the biggest size you have printed? I do want it to be as
big as possible without being able to tell it is digital or to see
pixels.

Thanks!

Frank
--
http://www.franklinmcmahon.com/
 
Frank:

Investigate the product - Genuine Fractals, by the Altamira Group. It is a PS plugin that will allow you to do remarkably large renderings. What you get out of the E-10, can be increased in size beyond your belief using this product.

I'm an amateur photographer....and for example, I scanned in a wallet size pic of my grandaughter at 300 DPI., saved it in Genuine Fractals Format, re-opened it and scaled it up to 8 x 10...with incredible results. If you're starting with a high res image, you can go skyward with amazing results...I've heard results from Pros who have done lofe size images with no apparent pixelation... Check it out..

Tim
I am adding commercial product photography to my services and I was
asked recently how big a image my E-10 can print, as in bringing a
file to a print service place. Poster size? Bigger? Any ideas? Does
Olympus offer an offical maximum size? Is there any benchmark for a
4 megapixel camera?

What is the biggest size you have printed? I do want it to be as
big as possible without being able to tell it is digital or to see
pixels.

Thanks!

Frank
--
http://www.franklinmcmahon.com/
 
gordon,

at what resolution and compression do you normally use to take pictures for your customers and have the pictures print at 13x18 and 17x22?

thanks,
joel
I am adding commercial product photography to my services and I was
asked recently how big a image my E-10 can print, as in bringing a
file to a print service place. Poster size? Bigger? Any ideas? Does
Olympus offer an offical maximum size? Is there any benchmark for a
4 megapixel camera?

What is the biggest size you have printed? I do want it to be as
big as possible without being able to tell it is digital or to see
pixels.

Thanks!

Frank
--
http://www.franklinmcmahon.com/
 
Hi Frank,

36"x24" from the E10 so far and you would not know that it is digital.

Somebody on this forum a couple of months ago had gone up to bill board poster size without problems.

Hope this helps,

Richard
I am adding commercial product photography to my services and I was
asked recently how big a image my E-10 can print, as in bringing a
file to a print service place. Poster size? Bigger? Any ideas? Does
Olympus offer an offical maximum size? Is there any benchmark for a
4 megapixel camera?

What is the biggest size you have printed? I do want it to be as
big as possible without being able to tell it is digital or to see
pixels.

Thanks!

Frank
--
http://www.franklinmcmahon.com/
 
Hi,
Whats the enlargement algorhythm and where is it in p.s.6.0 ?
Thanks,
Bryan
bryan,
there are two ways to enlarge in PS 6.

1. click "Image", "Image Size" you can change it there as well as "resample image" if you wish to 240-300 DPI
or

2. click "file","Print Options", and "page setup" where you can change the paper size and orientation and then back in the "print options" use the corner handles to stretch or shrink the image to the size on the finished page that you want to have.
 
WOW. and I thought I was pretty good by getting excellent 13 x 19 prints using Genuine Fractals or PS6.0.

I personally find the argument that you can't get high enough quality for all applications from a 4mp camera to be nonsense.

Brian
36"x24" from the E10 so far and you would not know that it is digital.

Somebody on this forum a couple of months ago had gone up to bill
board poster size without problems.

Hope this helps,

Richard
I am adding commercial product photography to my services and I was
asked recently how big a image my E-10 can print, as in bringing a
file to a print service place. Poster size? Bigger? Any ideas? Does
Olympus offer an offical maximum size? Is there any benchmark for a
4 megapixel camera?

What is the biggest size you have printed? I do want it to be as
big as possible without being able to tell it is digital or to see
pixels.

Thanks!

Frank
--
http://www.franklinmcmahon.com/
 
I have had 24 x36 inch prints made from images that were 1536 x 1024. When viewed from the PROPER perspective you can not tell it is digital image. Up close yes, it is not pin sharp.
 
Hi,

And that it is what it is - nonsense!! The following remark from Arthur is just not true for the E10. The images are pinsharp assuming that you have a pinsharp10x8 print to start with. The dynamic range is better than negative film so the colours are more vibrant too.

See ya,

Richard
I personally find the argument that you can't get high enough
quality for all applications from a 4mp camera to be nonsense.

Brian
36"x24" from the E10 so far and you would not know that it is digital.

Somebody on this forum a couple of months ago had gone up to bill
board poster size without problems.

Hope this helps,

Richard
I am adding commercial product photography to my services and I was
asked recently how big a image my E-10 can print, as in bringing a
file to a print service place. Poster size? Bigger? Any ideas? Does
Olympus offer an offical maximum size? Is there any benchmark for a
4 megapixel camera?

What is the biggest size you have printed? I do want it to be as
big as possible without being able to tell it is digital or to see
pixels.

Thanks!

Frank
--
http://www.franklinmcmahon.com/
 
I have had 24 x36 inch prints made from images that were 1536 x
1024. When viewed from the PROPER perspective you can not tell it
is digital image. Up close yes, it is not pin sharp.
I have very good eyes for close-up viewing (if I peer over the top of the glasses I wear to see things that are more than six inches away). I'm often able to read tiny print that most people can't tell is there at all, such as the artists' signatures on some postage stamps. I find that if an average digital image is sent to the printer at an actual output resolution of 200-220 pixels per inch, I can see pixelization in many parts of it. If I back off to a comfortable viewing distance, a print with that resolution looks like a conventional photographic print to me, except that it isn't as sharp. But if a 2240 x 1680 pixel image is printed 36" wide, its actual printed resolution is only 62+ pixels per inch (much lower than any modern computer screen), and many people can see pixelization and/or softness when viewing it from, say, 1.5-2 feet away.

So how big a print you can satisfactorily make from the E-10's images depends entirely on a) how far away you want it to be viewed from, and b) how "intelligent" your software is about upsampling to manufacture more pixels out of the original information, allowing you to boost the actual output resolution enough so that the individual pixels in the print are too small for most people to see. Genuine Fractals may do a better job of that than Photoshop can. It sounds like that's the case, from the comments of GF users here, and of course that's exactly what GF claims to do. I'd love to try it out. It must somehow smooth out the residual "soft pixelization" wherein several new, smaller pixels still form a blurred outline of the original big pixel, as for example when you upsample an image 3x using Photoshop's Resize command. But if GF allows you to make huge prints from the E-10's images, that's a function of GF, not the E-10.

I still think 4 megapixels** is not quite as enlargeable as a 35mm film image. Pretty close, but not quite. If you find 16 x 20 prints from 35mm acceptable to your eye, but not 20 x 24s, then you probably won't find 16 x 20s from the E-10 equally acceptable...and so on.

That said, I LOVE my E-10, and the 8-1/2 x 11 and smaller prints I make are not only indistinguishable from conventional photo prints in the eyes of most viewers, but are often superior to them in my own eyes as far as color, contrast control, and shadow detail are concerned.

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By the way, can anyone explain to me why 2240 x 1680 = 3,763,200 pixels is refered to as 4 megapixels? Who's kidding whom?
 
I have printed 20x30 from Fototime and got a great result. (I used NORMAL sharpness and NORMAL contrast).

I believe that it's up to the interpolation process too because, if you print at 300 dpi, E-10 image can't be printed larger than approx 6x8 without interpolation.
John
I am adding commercial product photography to my services and I was
asked recently how big a image my E-10 can print, as in bringing a
file to a print service place. Poster size? Bigger? Any ideas? Does
Olympus offer an offical maximum size? Is there any benchmark for a
4 megapixel camera?

What is the biggest size you have printed? I do want it to be as
big as possible without being able to tell it is digital or to see
pixels.

Thanks!

Frank
--
http://www.franklinmcmahon.com/
 
Hi Richard,

You mentioned some large print sizes, couple of questions.

Where do you get them done, I presume in the UK

What do they cost.

What is a typical file size, I guess they are interpolated up in photoshop.

Your comments would be appreciated Thanks.

Rgds Nick
 
And that it is what it is - nonsense!! The following remark from
Arthur is just not true for the E10. The images are pinsharp
assuming that you have a pinsharp10x8 print to start with. The
dynamic range is better than negative film so the colours are more
vibrant too.

See ya,

Richard
I personally find the argument that you can't get high enough
quality for all applications from a 4mp camera to be nonsense.

Brian
36"x24" from the E10 so far and you would not know that it is digital.

Somebody on this forum a couple of months ago had gone up to bill
board poster size without problems.

Hope this helps,

Richard
I am adding commercial product photography to my services and I was
asked recently how big a image my E-10 can print, as in bringing a
file to a print service place. Poster size? Bigger? Any ideas? Does
Olympus offer an offical maximum size? Is there any benchmark for a
4 megapixel camera?

What is the biggest size you have printed? I do want it to be as
big as possible without being able to tell it is digital or to see
pixels.

Thanks!

Frank
--
http://www.franklinmcmahon.com/
I'm fanatical about print quality...when I was printing color and wanted 11X14 I wasn't happy unless I used Extar25.

With the e-10 at 2.7/1 I print at 300-260 dpi with my epson 870 and I'm somewhat happy. I used Genuine Fractiles and Photoshop interpolation and couldn't tell the difference at 8x10 or so at 300dpi....But if you do a heavy crop and interpolate, Genuine Fractiles does a better job...I guess mounted under glass and a 3 foot viewing distance it might be OK.

I'm wishing for a 8-10 megapixel camera ($2000 range)....untill then I'll use my E-10
Boris
 
I use my E10 exclusively in my studio and sell a lot of 16x20's. I have never had a customer question the quality of the prints. If the photography is good then they are looking at so many more things than a little noise or pixelation. I have no hesitation at all about enlarging to this size, and I do have a very critical eye. I don't even bother with genuine fractals or any of those. The bottom line is that this is not a $20,000 camera, and it will not match medium format at 16x20, but it will come so close that only a photographer or a VERY picky customer would notice.
 
What is the biggest size you have printed? I do want it to be as
big as possible without being able to tell it is digital or to see
pixels.
I have several 18x24 prints on my studio walls made from the E-10. Because of the abillity to do my own retouching and corrections, I think they look better than my old medium format work.

Jack Gurner
 
Hi,
What is the biggest size you have printed? I do want it to be as
big as possible without being able to tell it is digital or to see
pixels.
I just printed an E10 image in DINA1 size, thats approx. 594x841 cm !
The image was shot with 1/4 JPG compression and printed via bicubic PS resize.
It was printed on HP photopaper on a HP Designjet 500.

If you stick with your eyes on the print, you can clearly see some pixel stairs on fine, sloping lines.

The picture shows two trains on a bridge, the trains are a bit away, so details aren't very good on them and they are a bit blurry.

But as I said, this is when you stick your nose on the print.

On normal viweing distance (> 50 cm) it looks good and even perfect if you step away for 1-2 meters. In the end it is a DIN A1 print, so normally you have some viewing distance :)

Summing up, I love it :)

If you want to test big size prints, just resize the picture in PS to the desired format, and then cut out a piece that you print on a DIN A4 inkjet, laser or lab. Then you can get a real imagination of what the big print will look like.
 

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