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the smaller sensor makes the dof less narrow, and bokeh less creamy.

what are the views of oly's pro photographers? Becase I am using the pen, and experience that problem

i ask here not in mft forum because in mft forum mostly casual shooters who dont care about this. But you guys who owns oly dslr system should know how....

thanks :)
 
It's all about the lenses, hyperfocal distance and, well... the photographer.

It's certainly possible to achieve shallow dof, but it's true that it might be hard to do with kit lenses, and especially on MFT since there are very few fast lenses in that system, and most fast lenses are pretty big and out of place on MFT camera.

For example (with 50mm macro)





And with macro shots, there's never enough DoF, so you got to step down ;)



It's possible even with wide-angle slow aperture





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a12345 said:
the smaller sensor makes the dof less narrow, and bokeh less creamy.
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the distance to FF is 2 stops but by e/v, 0.56 stop to Canon APSC, 0.73 stop to Nikon APSC, it just isnt as far as all that
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a12345 said:
what are the views of oly's pro photographers? Becase I am using the pen, and experience that problem
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i shoot real estate, my needs are full DoF, my clientèle doesnt understand shallow DoF
a12345 said:
i ask here not in mft forum because in mft forum mostly casual shooters who dont care about this. But you guys who owns oly dslr system should know how....

thanks :)
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a12345 said:
the smaller sensor makes the dof less narrow, and bokeh less creamy.

what are the views of oly's pro photographers? Becase I am using the pen, and experience that problem
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Post some of your images so we can see what problems you might be having.
Then someone may be able to help you ...
a12345 said:
i ask here not in mft forum because in mft forum mostly casual shooters who dont care about this. But you guys who owns oly dslr system should know how....

thanks :)
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Check out this guy's work here (and the 53 threads before it ... ).
Ilya doesn't seem to have any "problem" with this ...

Neither have I ...

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I find that the DOF for Olympus is just about perfect... when using the Sigma f/1.4 lenses, I am still limited by the thin DOF for just about all pictures except full body portraits from multiple meters away... the slightly smaller sensor lets me shoot at f/2.0 or f/2.8 where I would have to stop down even further on other systems. I love DOF isolation, but I like the subject to actually be in focus; when shooting close up at f/1.4 there is not even enough to do that.

Of course it depends on your style; if you prefer full body portraits where one eye is in focus and the other is not, then just get a FF system with a 85/1.2 or something. Life is too short to be limited by your tools.

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If there is enough light, I never use my lenses wide open. The main reason is that the DOF usually is too thin on both 25/1.4 and 150/2. For my needs, the Olympus DOF is perfect while fast glass on a full frame would be a waste.

But I'm just a happy shooter.
 
Hi there.
You need to know what you require from your gear before you buy it.
I will never complain about extra depth of field.
I have all the control I need with the fast lenses that I have.

Cheers.
Keith.
 
which could have been better if dos is shallower



epl1 kit 150mm f5.6

any reference on faster compact affordable tele zoom that might help?
 
a12345 said:
which could have been better if dos is shallower



epl1 kit 150mm f5.6

any reference on faster compact affordable tele zoom that might help?
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IMO, the least of the problems in your picture is shallow DOF. Your picture is very soft, you got no feather detail at all (did you cropped heavily?), it is overexposed, some colors are clipped...

Be more careful with overexposure. And, more importantly, get CLOSER to your subject. As a bonus you'll get... shallower DOF!! :)

Truth is that 150mm is too short for wildlife. M43rds does not have proper lenses for birding... yet. I expect that Pany will make some nice long tele. They already showed a mockup.

HTH,
L.

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just want to show about the DOF.

While there are too many problem in that shot, it is not cropped at all, but resized, but i think there are some handshake blur, because its sucha a cloudy day. Composition also sucks :D

and what is that 150mm f2 shot above, isnt it the premium uber expensive olympus lens right?

no way i can afford that :)
 
For macro work, there's never enough DOF anyway

For biding, it's nice to get more than the birds eye in focus (plus greater DOF = greater 'fudge factor')
And getting isolation hasn't been an issue either





OK, If you really need just someon's right eyelash in focus for some reason, you want razor thin DOF... so go for MF and a fast lens. For normal use 4/3 DOF is just fine

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a12345 said:
the smaller sensor makes the dof less narrow, and bokeh less creamy.

what are the views of oly's pro photographers? Becase I am using the pen, and experience that problem

i ask here not in mft forum because in mft forum mostly casual shooters who dont care about this. But you guys who owns oly dslr system should know how....

thanks :)
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I don't think you have actually thought this out very clearly...Please take a 4/3rds DSLR out in the field to do some serious image capture and try harder...



The "issue" is nothing more than a silly myth.

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I know some people with 35mm cameras and some of them are shooting for money.

They never or extremely rarely use anything faster than f2.8, mostly well above f2.8, and that's not in studio but for outdoor shoots.

I find it silly TBH, using a "FF" camera and f1.2 or f1.4 lenses and then stopping down so much... but whatever floats your boar I guess :)
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msusic said:
It's all about the lenses, hyperfocal distance and, well... the photographer.

It's certainly possible to achieve shallow dof, but it's true that it might be hard to do with kit lenses, and especially on MFT since there are very few fast lenses in that system, and most fast lenses are pretty big and out of place on MFT camera.

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With kit lens:





Manual focusing:



 
a12345 said:
just want to show about the DOF.
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Get closer to your subject, and you'll get also shallower DOF.
a12345 said:
and what is that 150mm f2 shot above, isnt it the premium uber expensive olympus lens right?

no way i can afford that :)
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You can get a longer lens and get the same result. For example, the 50-200 at 200mm F3.5 will give you slightly shallower DOF as the 150 at F2 (almost the same hyperfocal distance). Of course you'll get a tighter crop... but usually this is exactly what you usually want for birding. 150mm is too short for wildlife, IMO.

Of course, you can add a 2x teleconverter to the 150 and get 300mm F4. But you can also add a 2x tele to the 50-200 and get 400mm F7 to get again the same DOF with more reach (although loosing almost 2 stops, of course).

But, anyway, I think you don't have an option to use teleconverters with m43rds, right?

HTH,
L.

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Well Mr Sony,

As you can see the Olympus DSLR's have some amazing glass allowing them to shoot very well with a creamy bokah.

We would love to see you lovely work so that we might be able to help you further with your m4/3rds camera bokah problem.

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