How are you dealing with your image storage issues?

I always keep all my RAWs. Storage is cheap and continues to get cheaper over time.

Besides, RAW developers, PhotoShop and, most importantly, my skill at using these apps are all constantly improving. I always want to have the option to re-process a RAW to take advantage of new knowledge and technology.

Paul
3 - Personally, I convert my raws to jpegs after I am satisfied
they are ok.
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I burn all my dvd movie in storage hdd so i have few extra bytes for my images.

2T hw raid 5 for storage
1.6T hw Raid 5 for backup
Routine backup at Remote location.

It will need major disaster to overtake all my images.
Work with images on external drives (or similar) that you can
unplug and turn off.
There are several reasons for this, but you don't want gobs of
images cluttering up your PCs hard drive and messing up its
backups, fragging the hard drive, etc, etc. Also when the PC fails
you'll still have easy access to the images. This has just happened
to me BTW.

Make sure you have a good backup strategy where the incremental
backups are fast and efficient. That way you can do them after
every few hours of work rather than once a week.
The time an incremental backup takes should be proportional to the
amount of work you've done. Make sure whatever you use can be
recovered from - test it. I've used several backup utilities that
are very difficult to recover from and get things back to exactly
where they were before. Don't assume that just because a backup
utility is a market leader that it is working for you. Make sure
that the backup you use does not keep old copies of images as you
change them, and keeps master originals. Otherwise you'll waste
space or accidentally lose images.
Personally, I stay away from keeping images as TIFFs or PSDs as
part of my mainstream automated workflow as they will waste much
space.

Make sure you have a good image naming convention that will survive
contact with a long time. I name my files "Date""time""version",
and use Apple Aperture to generate such file names. I've tested it
and can't break it's algorithm to mess up and overwrite one file
with another file of the same name. DownloaderPro also has
reasonable file naming conventions built in, although the program
is not so bullet proof. I use databases to find files, as others
have mentioned.

On another note, storage solutions keep increasing in size, so if
you are generating images at a fairly constant rate, you can figure
out the future storage needs and see whether your method is going
to break a year or 2 down the line. For example, if you started
with 80GB drives a few years ago, you could now switch to 750GB
drives, or 1.5 TB raid 0. Maybe in that time frame you haven't
generated that many images! It's a lot easier to do a large file
copy every few years to upgrade hard drives than to keep futzing
around with CDs/DVDs or many hard drives every few days.

If you think all of this is hard, wait until you try video.

--len
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http://www.danator.com
 
I took a middle-aged desktop pc and put a RAID controller in it and two 500 Gb hard disks. I mirror the disks so if one goes I can replace the other. The I put it in the server room in my work.

I decided to do this after loosing more than a year of RAW files when I accidentally dropped my external disk to the floor.

Now I make copies to my external (a new one) and don't delete from my laptop or external until I've made copies to my server.

Hrannar

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http://wwwflickr.com/photos/hauxon
 
if you open your mouth you may want to try things first ...

try this

open file in PS and save as file a.jpg

then save as b.jpg

now repeat
open b
save as b
open b
save as b

do this as long as you like

now open a
open b
overlay b as layer on a and select difference

looking pretty dumb right about now ...

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Michael Salzlechner
http://www.PalmsWestPhoto.com
 
Is so, how are you saving them with your raw images?
99.99% of the time, I never go back and adjust layers after "finishing" an image. So, no, I generally don't save layers, except on certain (typically rare) occasions. I usually just flatten the file and save it that way. And if people really took a look at how often they need to go back and twiddle with layers after "finishing" an image, they would find that they hardly ever go back to their layers too. But I only use layers for retouching and certain artistic effects. I don't use layers to adjust exposure, or saturation, or curves, or anything like that. I do all that in RAW, where you don't have to save any of that as a seperate layer.
 
Not for one minute suggesting my method is best..... but after trying Cds DVDs and then Dual DVDs I began to worry when I heard about the problems many are having with popular recordable disks.

Seems that Tayo Yuden (spelling ?) is a trusted make as are the gold Cds that you can buy for the price of a small car .... and hell 700 megs is a joke ! Despite the longevity worries trying to find time to write all the disks ( Dual DVDs) take ages ..... and some on recording forums say that writing tracks too fast is one route to problems in time.

In the end I bought Lacie USB External Drives at 500 gigs . I think I paid something like £120 on a good deal for 500 gigs so not too expensive. At least when you want to find something looking on a drive is way faster than hundreds of DVDs and write time for files is a fraction to burning.

Stored offline they should be quite able to outlive most solutions .. if not me :)

I posted a few days ago about Samsungs work on new Flash storage .... I am sure before my drives are old enough to be a worry we will all be using 10 TB solid state storage units that cost about the same as an 8 gig card now !
 
Here is what I do:
1. Load images from Compact Flash to Hard Drive
2. Make a temporary backup to another hard drive.
3. Burn 2-3 DVDs of the raw files. One goes offsite.
4. Make Selects and cut down the number of files.
5. Convert raw to dng raw.
6. Save dng raw to 2 DVDs (again, one offsite).

7. Make a backup of the camera raws on another hard drive that then goes onto a shelf.

8. Delete all of the unselected raws and all of the dng files (both selected and unselected) and keep only the selects that are in the camera's raw format on hard drives (again, one copy goes on a shelf).

In my case the camera raw is .nef and about 1/2 the space of the dng. But I still have a DVD of the dng files in 2 places.

I also suggest keeping a copy of the Adobe raw to dng converter on each hard drive in case that software is not around in 30 years.

I recently bought a Sonnet Fusion system - we shall see how that goes. I hope to go that route for a few years since I have about 4-5TB of photos and videos.

That is what I do, for what it's worth!

Don
 
Michael the vast majority of uninformed folk out there do not have PS they use point and shoot they use windows to browse through thier slide shows of images if it is upside down they will turn it around and if a news article tells them something about a product they believe it...

Now what hill do you wish me to climb so I can be cruzified...

OK you have all made your point I am now converted to JPEG-islam go make war with the rest of the unconverted, or misunderstood.

I really hope you do not make any mistakes Michael
 
1. Delete the shots I will never use - usually winds up to be about 25% of the photos from a sports set.

2. Store all photos on internal hard drive arrays.

3. Mirror all data to external hard drives.

As a side note, I would never trust any form of optical media for backup.

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http://jmhphoto.net/gallery
 
Personally, I backup all my files on HDD.
I have a cable USB 2.0 to PATA/SATA with external power supply.

I do all my work on my main internal HDD for speed.
When I'm done, I move everything to these external HDD.
Ususally I buy them at low price (sale, rebate...)
My last one was 300G Maxtor (PATA) 16M 7200 for $69.00 at Fry's

When I'm done, I disconnect the disk, store in antistatic bag and store in my closet. (on the floor to avoid falls...)

This is the "cheapest" and fastest way. No more DVD to burn.
Direct access when I want to recover a file.

Jean-Marc
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Canon 1DMII, 20D and PFP User
 
All it would take would be a few revs of Adobe Premiere and Microsoft's video storage format.
Then they would be unreadable :).

Went through that twice in 10 years before I gave up and went to other companies solutions and formats.
But I pretty much do what you do, except use HDs rather than DVDs.

And this issue has not yet come up with photos, although people keep posting about the possibilty.

--len
 
20'"x30" of that scene, but the light in my image is like a Turner painting, which I thought was very appropriate.

--len
 
--Nelson---which airline lost your bags?? We had a similiar inciden ton British Airways, from London to Milan. Took 4 days to recover bag.

the photographer formerly known as 'Kallitype'
 
That is good to know. I am a real nut about computer noise. On my systems you can't hear them unless you put you ear to the case. I have replaced fans and power supplies, put in passive coolers on the graphics cards, and suspended drives all to get rid of noise.

jerry

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jerryk.smugmug.com
 
I read or saw the same thing - it was that jpegs deteriorated by VIEWING. Not saying I endorse it but I saw it (think it was on TV - don't recall).

Joe
Roger you are taking yourself a little serious are you not... I did
not steal your wife... take a valium. If I made a mistake then I am
Sorry for the inconveinience I hope it did not cost you a million
dollars.

It could have been that I only partly remembered the article and it
may well have mentioned the continual editing of an image... as has
already been discussed.

Cheers

Shane
 
On a recent trip I shot 1,500 images, approx. There was one which was a clear winner - best of the lot. The jpeg preview to the RAW was great. Backed it up several times, etc. Went to PP it this week and the image was just a brown box! Turns out the RAW data was corrupt. It was the last image taken on a 4gb CF card. Turns out there is some bug between the Canon body and the Fuiji CF card when the card fills up. oh well, live and learn.

--len
 
--Nelson---which airline lost your bags?? We had a similiar
inciden ton British Airways, from London to Milan. Took 4 days to
recover bag.
We flew BA from London to Milan and Alitalia from Milan to Rome. The bags were checked from London to Rome at Heathrow. We went through customs in Milan so we were supposed to get our bags and put them back on the belt. The BA flight from Heathrow was delayed by 2 hours due to an incident that someone managed to smuggle a cell phone through the security during the absolute no carry on policy period.

When we got to Milan, one of 4 bags showed up. We had to get rebooked to another Alitalia flight to Rome. We thought the other three bags would show up in Rome but they did not. The same one showed up again in Rome. Luckily it contains my camera equipment.

Alitalia called us about a month ago and said they had located the last lost bag in NYC. We are still playing phone and fax games with Alitalia as of today. They don't answer their phones, voice mail, fax and email. The last bag is still not returned to us yet.

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Nelson Chen
http://pbase.com/nelsonc
100% RAW shooter with Capture One Pro



Photos of Italy: http://www.pbase.com/nelsonc/italy
 

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