Piet Horden
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Taken with the E-10, external flash and a "model"...
Regards,
--Piet Horden
The Netherlands
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Regards,
--Piet Horden
The Netherlands
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High key or not?!
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Ken Huckeba
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She's a very "bright" girl!
Ken
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Taken with the E-10, external flash and a "model"...
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Piet Horden
The Netherlands
http://hold.on.to
Dave, Well, I have to step in here in response to both the photo posted and your query. This is a great forum and I would not like it to simply degenerate into a mutual admiration society. Just because someone posts a pic it seems that many are obliged to post a "Gee, what a great shot!" kind of reply and as a consequence, nobody learns a thing. This particular photo is not a very good high key photo at all. It needs a tremendous amount of work to make it presentable. It is woefully out of focus, not just soft. High key does not equate with image softness. It is so diffused, again this has nothing to do w/high key rendering, that it looks like a poor copy of a magazine cover. Now, I apologize to Piet, but he did ask our opinion and I must give mine, and I hope his feelings are not hurt. Piet, look into some of the available works of those who do specialize in high key images and see what they look like and compare your work.
Dave, I thank you for asking the question and enabling me to get this off my chest, but I hope we can become more open and honest in our critique, especially when asked, as Piet has, but to simply gush over someone's posted pic because it is there is an injustice to the photographer and to this forum. There, flameshield in place. Regards, Jim
Dave, I thank you for asking the question and enabling me to get this off my chest, but I hope we can become more open and honest in our critique, especially when asked, as Piet has, but to simply gush over someone's posted pic because it is there is an injustice to the photographer and to this forum. There, flameshield in place. Regards, Jim
koo22
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Jim, I think your post is a breath of fresh air. And you're right. Sometimes I have done this (posted "hey what a great shot") but I only do that when I truly like the image. So to me it is a great shot even though it may be far from it, technically. But it's true that the forum should be, among other things, a place for constructive criticism so we can all learn. A lot of us have expertise in one area or another and others are total beginners to photography. It would be a disservice to all of us if we just continued to post "hey great shot" without also pointing out the flaws in work when necessary(in a nice way of course). I don't think anyone here is so sensitve as to not be able to take constructive criticism. Again, thanks for pointing this out Jim. K.
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DM
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I agree with the above comments. My other hobby is woodturning. At our meetings, we learn the most when our pieces are "critiqued"; initially, for new members, it's a jolt to have your work of art reviewed in less than glowing terms but we all quickly find that it is the best way to get better at we love to do. There are obviously a lot of very talented contributors to this forum that have a lot share. I look forward to seeing what people think I can do to improve the shots I post.
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M.E. Majeske
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Me too,
I feel this personally - when I post a shot here I really DO want criticism. I'm realearning my photography skills after too long a hiatus and need the input to get better.
I have been trying to be a bit more specific than "great shot" when I like something - by letting the photographer know what caught my eye. But, I'd be far from easy about posting real criticism unless I "knew" the poster and was sure they wanted input, not just validation.
However, that said, I think it is important to remember, as you do, that this forum has a wide range of skills, and I'm glad that it is not a place where anyone delivers a devastating critique of people's early efforts.
Jim - I'm not familiar with the term high key - could you point me in the direction of what a good example of High Key rendering is?
Mary
I feel this personally - when I post a shot here I really DO want criticism. I'm realearning my photography skills after too long a hiatus and need the input to get better.
I have been trying to be a bit more specific than "great shot" when I like something - by letting the photographer know what caught my eye. But, I'd be far from easy about posting real criticism unless I "knew" the poster and was sure they wanted input, not just validation.
However, that said, I think it is important to remember, as you do, that this forum has a wide range of skills, and I'm glad that it is not a place where anyone delivers a devastating critique of people's early efforts.
Jim - I'm not familiar with the term high key - could you point me in the direction of what a good example of High Key rendering is?
Mary
Jason Busch
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Hi Jim,
Great comment!
Jason Busch
Great comment!
Jason Busch
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Vance
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If I ever post a bad pic here, I expect everyone to tear it apart. You aren't going to hurt my feelings at all.
As for the posted picture. I'm not familiar with the term " High Key" so I didn't really know how to respond.
To me it appeared too diffused and a bit over exposed. Perhaps that is what " High Key " is. Guess I need to get some new photo books.
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Vance.
As for the posted picture. I'm not familiar with the term " High Key" so I didn't really know how to respond.
To me it appeared too diffused and a bit over exposed. Perhaps that is what " High Key " is. Guess I need to get some new photo books.
)Vance.
Jason Busch
Veteran Member
Hi Piet,
You might want to turn the lights down a little bit.
Looks like you had a good idea, but there's a bit too much light. Right now, I can see bright whit spots with pink bikinis as I turn away from my monitor.
Take some more pics of her if you can. The E-10 takes some time to get used to. Hek, I'll be honest, of the 600+ photos I have taken so far, 30% of them are just crap. Blurred out, lighting problems, etc. I don't mean to give you a hard time, or anything.
Welcome to the E-10 circle. Make sure to sign up for E-10 Day! I wanna see more of your stuff!
Jason Busch
You might want to turn the lights down a little bit.
Looks like you had a good idea, but there's a bit too much light. Right now, I can see bright whit spots with pink bikinis as I turn away from my monitor.
Take some more pics of her if you can. The E-10 takes some time to get used to. Hek, I'll be honest, of the 600+ photos I have taken so far, 30% of them are just crap. Blurred out, lighting problems, etc. I don't mean to give you a hard time, or anything.
Welcome to the E-10 circle. Make sure to sign up for E-10 Day! I wanna see more of your stuff!
Jason Busch
Hi Mary,
In answer to your question about High key lighting. It is most often found in beauty, wedding, children, fashion, portraiture and even winter/sand scenes and more. Basically the term simply means photographs that contain primarily all white or light colored subjects against a white background. Lighting for high key is soft and shadowless and avoids being direct and the casting of shadows. A few well placed darker areas or shadows (few) can be used to accentuate the subject. The overall impression when viewing highkey is the "whiteness" of the shot. Emphasis is on soft lighting, but not on soft focus. In portraiture, the subject nearly always is clothed with white colors rather than contrasting or dark clothing. Look at some of Monte Zucker's high key stuff and it will say more than I ever could. See here: http://www.rangefinder-network.com/magazine/Mar01/highkey.tml
Regards, Jim N AZ.
In answer to your question about High key lighting. It is most often found in beauty, wedding, children, fashion, portraiture and even winter/sand scenes and more. Basically the term simply means photographs that contain primarily all white or light colored subjects against a white background. Lighting for high key is soft and shadowless and avoids being direct and the casting of shadows. A few well placed darker areas or shadows (few) can be used to accentuate the subject. The overall impression when viewing highkey is the "whiteness" of the shot. Emphasis is on soft lighting, but not on soft focus. In portraiture, the subject nearly always is clothed with white colors rather than contrasting or dark clothing. Look at some of Monte Zucker's high key stuff and it will say more than I ever could. See here: http://www.rangefinder-network.com/magazine/Mar01/highkey.tml
Regards, Jim N AZ.
Koo, I appreciate your response, in fact I have enjoyed your post(s) for some time here on dpreview. Well written.
Regards, Jim
Regards, Jim
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jono slack
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Don't think you'll need your flame shield Jim
I completely agree with you, admiration is nice, but criticism is useful. I'm guilty, not of saying I like pictures which I don't, but of keeping quiet about them; and I guess I've been a recipient of some less than genuine enthusiasm .
OTOH I'm not sure about your criticism of this shot - I guess Piet has the effect he wants, and it's difficult to criticise aspects which were so obviously intentional.
Thanks very much for the link to Monte Zucker's - interesting and useful stuff and nicely presented (don't like his work much either
- but that's a matter of personal taste, not technical criticism.)
Responses like yours are useful, and only reflect what a lot of us have been thinking, I'm sure.
kind regards
jono slack
http://www.slack.co.uk
I completely agree with you, admiration is nice, but criticism is useful. I'm guilty, not of saying I like pictures which I don't, but of keeping quiet about them; and I guess I've been a recipient of some less than genuine enthusiasm .
OTOH I'm not sure about your criticism of this shot - I guess Piet has the effect he wants, and it's difficult to criticise aspects which were so obviously intentional.
Thanks very much for the link to Monte Zucker's - interesting and useful stuff and nicely presented (don't like his work much either
- but that's a matter of personal taste, not technical criticism.)Responses like yours are useful, and only reflect what a lot of us have been thinking, I'm sure.
kind regards
jono slack
http://www.slack.co.uk
M.E. Majeske
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