Hi-Res mode with em1 mk III

[Wingsfan]

If I had any of those views, including your original photo, in my backyard, the fence would never get completed. I would simply just hike around taking photos all day.

I am enjoying the hhhr mode on my new 1.3. I recently got it in a big refurb sale Olympus was having domestically. Otherwise the camera is a slight upgrade to its companion em1.2. But now I have two cameras with nearly identical output and controls ( vs my beloved original em1 thats getting sold), and can swap between two different bodies without having to worry about different output, controls, or settings being different.

 

[gary0319]

I much prefer the HHHR over the tripod version. My experience is that the tripod version is really, really, sensitive to any small vibration like ground vibration from vehicles on nearby street, or the slightest subject movement. The HHHR has an alignment and stacking algorithm that compensates for both and I get better results.

With the E-M1 III I preferred the 25mpx JPEGS to either the 50mpx JPEGS or the raw files, but with the OM-1 the 50mpx JPEGs are great, with the Raws still requiring heavy sharpening.

I also use the HHHR for night street scenes. The in-camera stacking gets me almost noise free images at a higher ISO to keep the shutter speed up (ISO 3200 is my go to with a push to 6400 or 12,800 if needed)

 

[Bassam Guy]

I've not tried tripod mode hi-res but use hand held hi-res a lot.

Very handy for simulating slow motion waterfalls as well.

The files need - and can easily take - extra sharpening. But they come out great.

Give it a shot, or, rather, 8 shots. Not as versatile as HHHR but I find that HR IQ is better.

Thanks I'm sure it is, but no way am I going back to having to carry a tripod. As it is I struggle to carry my camera and one lens

Then place your camera on a solid surface.

 

[daddyo]

Love all those shots -- the first is my favorite. It has a strong visual impact due to the juxtaposition of the snow covered mountain peak and the tree on the right that appears to tower above the (obviously higher) mountain peak. Beautiful!

 

[Skeeterbytes]

It's called, these days, Mt. Taranaki. It was called Mt. Egmont, or I think it still could be called Mt. Taranaki/Egmont to try and appease everyone! It's in the province of Taranaki on the west coast of the North Island of New Zealand. It is a grand view and I'm pleased you like it.

Reminiscent of Fuji San and once upon a time, St. Helens in the U.S. before it blew its top and rather altered the symmetry. Just lovely!

Cheers,

Rick

 

[knickerhawk]

This is an image I got yesterday, trying out the hi-res mode with my relatively new Em1 mk III. I used the tripod (80mp) mode. The images are huge! I wish I had time to think about just taking some standard images for comparison - but my son was busy with fencing and needed my assistance. I'm thinking of trying the hand held mode today and not being so greedy and satisfying myself (or not) with the 50mp mode. Gosh this camera has so many features!

What are peoples general experience with hi-res mode?

That's a gorgeous location. I envy your son, if that's where he lives. Tripod HR should work really well for scenes like this. As long as the grass isn't blowing around a lot, motion artifacts shouldn't be an issue. However, technique is critical. You should use a good quality tripod and a remote trigger or shutter release delay to avoid any camera movement. Also, while you'll always get the noise reduction benefits when using tripod HR, the potential for increased detail is highly dependent on lens quality and camera settings to maximize image resolution. You'll probably only see very slight resolution improvement, if any, with an average zoom compared to a high quality prime or when you use less than optimal aperture setting. In this specific instance, your choice of f/14, which is well into diffraction limited range has probably eliminated any visible image resolution improvement compared to a normal shot that's been upsized using a good interpolation method.

I'm a big fan of the HR modes on my EM1iii, but I've learned the hard way to utilize them only when conditions, equipment and settings permit. Proper sharpening is also critical, but that's for another discussion (or just look up MEDISN's excellent tutorial postings in this forum).

 

[NowHearThis]

I never tried the 25MP mode, because I don't understand why: whenever I think the image will benefit from higher resolution than the standard 20MP, it's great dat (HH)HR can give me more pixels en more details. Why should I settle with 5 MP extra if I can get 30?

I understand that the 25MP mode can/should result in higher IQ per pixel, but IMO can't hold as much detail as the 50MP mode.

I must be overlooking something. Can you explain why you prefer the 25MP mode?

The gist of it is the (HH)HR mode doesn't actually resolve 40-50 MP worth of pixels. I've tried it myself so many times and sharpened the %&&%/ out of those RAW files to mixed results.

The mode still gives you higher dynamic range, better colors and lower noise. But why waste space with 50MP JPEGs that are not quite sharp when you can settle for smaller 25MP files that are sharper (for their resolution) with all the other advantages of (HH)HR.

That kind of sums it up. I'm sure with a bit of work and a bit more technique I might be able to get amazing 50mp images. but with 0 work and effort I can get stunning 25mp images that are a huge improvement over my already great 20mp files with a fantastic copy of the PL12-60. If I had time to work on every image I take I might just use the 50mp mode, but 10/10 the 25mp mode is what I end up liking and going with.

Since I have 2 card slots, I do set one to do 50MP and the other to do 25MP. Truth be told, 25MP is enough for a 30x40" print - which I'm unlikely to make anyway.

 

[junk1]

Adrian Harris wrote

Thanks I'm sure it is, but no way am I going back to having to carry a tripod. As it is I struggle to carry my camera and one lens

 

[gary0319]

Or just stick with the HHHR unless one really needs the 80mpx. I find the 50mpx to be more than sufficient.

 

[Jonrow]

This is an image I got yesterday, trying out the hi-res mode with my relatively new Em1 mk III. I used the tripod (80mp) mode. The images are huge! I wish I had time to think about just taking some standard images for comparison - but my son was busy with fencing and needed my assistance. I'm thinking of trying the hand held mode today and not being so greedy and satisfying myself (or not) with the 50mp mode. Gosh this camera has so many features!

What are peoples general experience with hi-res mode?

That's a gorgeous location. I envy your son, if that's where he lives. Tripod HR should work really well for scenes like this. As long as the grass isn't blowing around a lot, motion artifacts shouldn't be an issue. However, technique is critical. You should use a good quality tripod and a remote trigger or shutter release delay to avoid any camera movement. Also, while you'll always get the noise reduction benefits when using tripod HR, the potential for increased detail is highly dependent on lens quality and camera settings to maximize image resolution. You'll probably only see very slight resolution improvement, if any, with an average zoom compared to a high quality prime or when you use less than optimal aperture setting. In this specific instance, your choice of f/14, which is well into diffraction limited range has probably eliminated any visible image resolution improvement compared to a normal shot that's been upsized using a good interpolation method.

I'm a big fan of the HR modes on my EM1iii, but I've learned the hard way to utilize them only when conditions, equipment and settings permit. Proper sharpening is also critical, but that's for another discussion (or just look up MEDISN's excellent tutorial postings in this forum).

Thanks for that response - that answered a few questions I had in my mind. I wondered about f14 myself. Also about the lens I was using? I thought maybe I should have my 12-40 pro? . But obviously there's a lot to be taken into account before just firing away with hi-res.

Our son and his wifeplus their 2 kids do live there. For most of my life I guess I've taken it for granted! Then about 15 years ago when our kids were living overseas in places like Australia, UK and Canada - we travelled! While all those countries are stunning and have their own particular attraction, it did make me see my own backyard with a new set of eyes.

Thanks to all the other posters too. You've all been very helpful.

 

[Jonrow]

I much prefer the HHHR over the tripod version. My experience is that the tripod version is really, really, sensitive to any small vibration like ground vibration from vehicles on nearby street, or the slightest subject movement. The HHHR has an alignment and stacking algorithm that compensates for both and I get better results.

With the E-M1 III I preferred the 25mpx JPEGS to either the 50mpx JPEGS or the raw files, but with the OM-1 the 50mpx JPEGs are great, with the Raws still requiring heavy sharpening.

I also use the HHHR for night street scenes. The in-camera stacking gets me almost noise free images at a higher ISO to keep the shutter speed up (ISO 3200 is my go to with a push to 6400 or 12,800 if needed)

Sorry to keep banging on about this subject, but your comments about the 25mp option really interest me. Can you or someone else please tell me how I set up HHHR for the 25mp option? Also should I use a delay? Or just hold the camera very still?

 

[gary0319]

I much prefer the HHHR over the tripod version. My experience is that the tripod version is really, really, sensitive to any small vibration like ground vibration from vehicles on nearby street, or the slightest subject movement. The HHHR has an alignment and stacking algorithm that compensates for both and I get better results.

With the E-M1 III I preferred the 25mpx JPEGS to either the 50mpx JPEGS or the raw files, but with the OM-1 the 50mpx JPEGs are great, with the Raws still requiring heavy sharpening.

I also use the HHHR for night street scenes. The in-camera stacking gets me almost noise free images at a higher ISO to keep the shutter speed up (ISO 3200 is my go to with a push to 6400 or 12,800 if needed)

Sorry to keep banging on about this subject, but your comments about the 25mp option really interest me. Can you or someone else please tell me how I set up HHHR for the 25mp option? Also should I use a delay? Or just hold the camera very still?

The settings are in the menu, or if you have HHHR active the file size options are available via the super Control panel. I would give you the page numbers in the menu, but my aOM-1 pages are different from the E-M1 III menu.

I never use a delay when shooting HHHR. But….. it’s helpful to know how the camera goes about HHHR to determine how long you are going to have to hold steady.

When you take the first shot, the camera has the image stabilizer on and the shot is taken, then the camera momentarily turns the IS off to allow for some hand shake, the turns the IS back on and takes the second shot, IS off and on and takes the third shot. And on and on until all 16 shots have been taken. The amount of time the IS is off is pretty insignificant, but the shutter speed you have set is significant. If you are in low light and your shutter speed is 1/4 second this means the camera will take 16 1/4 second shots or 4 second total hand holding time for the 16 shots. The alignment and stacking algorithm does a great job of correcting for minor camera movement, but a steady hand is definitely a benefit. I have successfully done the 4 second handhold with an E-M1 III/12-100 f/4 combos and I’m 79 years old, so it can be done, image below (I’ll admit to leaning my shoulder against the door jam)


16shot HHHR at 1/4 sec shutter

 

[Jonrow]

I much prefer the HHHR over the tripod version. My experience is that the tripod version is really, really, sensitive to any small vibration like ground vibration from vehicles on nearby street, or the slightest subject movement. The HHHR has an alignment and stacking algorithm that compensates for both and I get better results.

With the E-M1 III I preferred the 25mpx JPEGS to either the 50mpx JPEGS or the raw files, but with the OM-1 the 50mpx JPEGs are great, with the Raws still requiring heavy sharpening.

I also use the HHHR for night street scenes. The in-camera stacking gets me almost noise free images at a higher ISO to keep the shutter speed up (ISO 3200 is my go to with a push to 6400 or 12,800 if needed)

Sorry to keep banging on about this subject, but your comments about the 25mp option really interest me. Can you or someone else please tell me how I set up HHHR for the 25mp option? Also should I use a delay? Or just hold the camera very still?

The settings are in the menu, or if you have HHHR active the file size options are available via the super Control panel. I would give you the page numbers in the menu, but my aOM-1 pages are different from the E-M1 III menu.

I never use a delay when shooting HHHR. But….. it’s helpful to know how the camera goes about HHHR to determine how long you are going to have to hold steady.

When you take the first shot, the camera has the image stabilizer on and the shot is taken, then the camera momentarily turns the IS off to allow for some hand shake, the turns the IS back on and takes the second shot, IS off and on and takes the third shot. And on and on until all 16 shots have been taken. The amount of time the IS is off is pretty insignificant, but the shutter speed you have set is significant. If you are in low light and your shutter speed is 1/4 second this means the camera will take 16 1/4 second shots or 4 second total hand holding time for the 16 shots. The alignment and stacking algorithm does a great job of correcting for minor camera movement, but a steady hand is definitely a benefit. I have successfully done the 4 second handhold with an E-M1 III/12-100 f/4 combos and I’m 79 years old, so it can be done, image below (I’ll admit to leaning my shoulder against the door jam)


16shot HHHR at 1/4 sec shutter

Thanks for that. I get it - the SCP is where I can pick 50 or 25. Here's a couple I took this evening. straight out of the camera. I'm 79 too.