Got some NX1 info.

[redcrow]

I got some information about NX1 from my source.

• NX1 will be announced in Photokina 2014.
• 2nd generation of PD AF. It will be interesting to see how it will perform compared to A6000.
• Totally new sensor and engine. Significant improved IQ.

 

[hootsmon]

Good info, thanks redcrow.

 

[mauni]

Did your source clearly mention "APS-C" ? I'm asking, because lately in german forums the fullframe-question has been discussed again. Initiated by a statement from a serious website, that the EX-S 16-50mm F2.0-F2.8 is reckoned for fullframe:

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www.netzwelt.de

 

[dka91]

Hmm I think somebody on this forum mentioned the difficulties with fullframe and the NX mount due to the width of the contacts for the lenses?

I hope Samsung may be able to overcome any shortcomings, but a full frame NX doesn't seem likely.

 

[cyco2]

I got some information about NX1 from my source.

• NX1 will be announced in Photokina 2014.
• 2nd generation of PD AF. It will be interesting to see how it will perform compared to A6000.
• Totally new sensor and engine. Significant improved IQ.

Hello redcrow,

First of all, thank for sharing!

Are you able to "rank" how reliable your source is ? Was he/she right in the past?

I'm asking because these information where provided from mirrorlessrumors a few weeks ago.

Maybe he has the same informations and so he confirmed the specs from mirrorlessrumors or maybe he just repeating what he had read at mirrorlessrumors.

Best Regards!

 

[cyco2]

Did your source clearly mention "APS-C" ? I'm asking, because lately in german forums the fullframe-question has been discussed again. Initiated by a statement from a serious website, that the EX-S 16-50mm F2.0-F2.8 is reckoned for fullframe:

http://www.netzwelt.de/news/144581_5-photokina-2014-rumors-kameraneuheiten-fotomesse.html#Samsung

Hmm... I know the discussion from the German Forum.

But I doubt that it will be able to illuminate 36 x 24mm Sensor. Even the 85mm isn't able to do so. (Eric tested it already) and it will be the first lense which covers a 16-50mm range on FF.

On the other Hand: Samsung has no FF-Sensor in theier line up - why should the Samsung Guy talk about 36 x 24. There is no danger of confusion....



Maybe Eric is able to check this statement?! ERIC?

 

[Raw Jaw]

I got some information about NX1 from my source.

• NX1 will be announced in Photokina 2014.

OK

• 2nd generation of PD AF. It will be interesting to see how it will perform compared to A6000.

Comparison to the very good NX30 is the important one.

• Totally new sensor and engine. Significant improved IQ.

I hope they don't mess with the OOC Jpeg colors

What the NX1 needs imo to be a Pro camera is:

Saving a Raw for every Auto mode shot, if you select to do so. This would free up my shooting style.

4K video with focus peaking that works and adjustable exposure strings while shooting video.

A 220f flash that works with the NX30 wireless flash system.

A 50-200 (S) lens.

That would make it a Pro camera able to fill my needs.

 

[viking79]

Did your source clearly mention "APS-C" ? I'm asking, because lately in german forums the fullframe-question has been discussed again. Initiated by a statement from a serious website, that the EX-S 16-50mm F2.0-F2.8 is reckoned for fullframe:

http://www.netzwelt.de/news/144581_5-photokina-2014-rumors-kameraneuheiten-fotomesse.html#Samsung

Hmm... I know the discussion from the German Forum.

But I doubt that it will be able to illuminate 36 x 24mm Sensor. Even the 85mm isn't able to do so. (Eric tested it already) and it will be the first lense which covers a 16-50mm range on FF.

On the other Hand: Samsung has no FF-Sensor in theier line up - why should the Samsung Guy talk about 36 x 24. There is no danger of confusion....

Maybe Eric is able to check this statement?! ERIC?

Yeah, for sure the 16-50 won't cover full frame, I haven't checked to see if it will for part of the range.

My guess is with the dedication of new S line lenses, 16-50 f/2-2.8, and maybe a 50-135 class (no official mention yet, but is a rumor), that they are pushing APS-C. That doesn't rule out full frame, but honestly Full Frame gets a lot of hype here, but most people still buy APS-C.

I am excited about the NX1 though, hope rumors pan out and it is best APS-C sensor. I already have investment in 16-50mm f/2-2.8, don't want to have to buy a full frame lens

Eric

 

[mathOS]

Hi everyone,

This will be my first time at Photokina and I really wish to see NX1 and a premium tele zoom there on the Samsung booth. I can't wait

 

[dka91]

Hmm Viking, so from your implications is full frame possible with the NX mount then?

 

[Raw Jaw]

Hmm Viking, so from your implications is full frame possible with the NX mount then?

Want full frame? Go Nikon. Don 't wait for the wheel to be reinvented.

I came to NX from Nikon and am very happy here for my needs at the NX price point, NX IQ, and weight savings, plus WiFi, etc.,etc.

 

[ihkim]

When I visited CES 2014, I tested 16-50 S lens image circle.

I prepared and brought a "tool" to test this. 16-50 S lens DOES NOT cover FF image circle.

 

[jennyrae]

FF possible? Yes, but not with current NX lenses because of electronic contact and dimension make it impossible for lens to access FF sensor dimension.

if want to use current NX lenses, only capable crop size is 1.3x or APS-H size sensor or even bigger with 1.18x.

if Samsung go FF, they need new FF NX lens lineup. I think still possible to use APS-C NX lens in crop mode but adapter is needed.

for me APS-H or 1.18x is better because no need for adapter and difference in picture quality with FF is only 1/3 stop with field coverage increased about half of APS-C or additional 4/3 sensor size which is very useful and significant. especially if gap in picture quality between APS-C and FF is closing. the difference is pixel size capacity of APS-H due to sensor size. with digital processing playing significant role now, APS-H picture quality can surprise us and rival FF. of course, big question is cost. if FF cost 2k, for APS-H to sell well, price should be 1.3k.

 

[Xoden]

I just don't understand this fullframe obsession. What's the point of making a quite compact, on the upper limit of pocketable, camera bigger, making it's glass bigger too?

You lose the portability and more affordable price aspect for both camera and glass but in return only get better noise and dynamic range performance. And you have to use slower lenses, which mitigates better IQ of the largeer sensor.

 

[viking79]

Hmm Viking, so from your implications is full frame possible with the NX mount then?

No idea, but agree with others.

My guess is if Samsung does go full frame it would be in fixed lens camera first or entirely new mount. They already have NX mini, so "full frame" is essentially APS-C NX. I would say there is demand for 24x36mm full frame from enthusiasts, but most of those people would buy Nikon/Canon instead. Even for weddings or other pro work, APS-C is more than good enough as much as full frame users don't want to hear.

Sure, there will always be a market for better, but audiences will be more limited. The reason I am not sure if Samsung would be a good candidate for full frame is they don't yet have the user base for that type of camera. They could make a really nice full frame and no one would buy it because they would just buy a Nikon or Canon first instead of a camera from an "appliance company" (I hate when people say that).

I think Sony gets away with it since their user base is made up of a lot of Leica users who are willing to pay lots of money for shiny things. This is where the new mount would come into play, I don't think Samsung would want to repeat the mistake of not having a suitable flange distance for Leica lenses. If they had made an easily Leica compatible mount they might be where Sony is today with E mount and have market willing to buy a $2500 full frame.

Eric

 

[jennyrae]

Large part of reason why Sony escaped with electronic company stigma is acquisition of minolta which made transition of perception much easy. They used sony-minolta name first before decide to drop minolta name after getting user-base. Samsung though follow different approach by form temp partnership with pentax before going its own way. They did not establish user base when they went solo. If they bought pentax, they might have got pentax user base and avoid stigma.

 

[OrdinarilyInordinate]

Large part of reason why Sony escaped with electronic company stigma is acquisition of minolta which made transition of perception much easy. They used sony-minolta name first before decide to drop minolta name after getting user-base. Samsung though follow different approach by form temp partnership with pentax before going its own way. They did not establish user base when they went solo. If they bought pentax, they might have got pentax user base and avoid stigma.

On one hand it's good for us in terms of Samsung having to continuously try to put in as much value per dollar (or Euro, or what have you) as possible to attract customers, but on the other it's sad. I remember scoffing at Samsung mirrorless cameras a year ago at Best Buys, as I had NO idea they were not more than compact sensor cameras in a pretty package, as they were located right next to their tablets instead of with other cameras, and I did not even look closely. How wrong and small-minded I was. Having gone the Nikon route recently and then having read about lots of other options intensively, I sold all of my Nikon stuff and went with a Samsung mirrorless very consciously. Specifically not Sony, because of their lens selection. Samsung lens selection is really quite great for a mirrorless camera range, and their prices are very reasonable too vs., say, Fuji, which I was strongly considering in parallel (I was looking to get an X-E1). Color accuracy and consistency and very natural rendition are just really great.

Anyway, I think what Samsung has already deserves a lot more recognition, though at the moment we can enjoy it, like a great music band you can still see up-close at a small venue before they get big and you can only see them from a mile away at a huge stadium with $200 tickets

 

[Kaziklu]

I'll believe it when I see it.


I'd be happier to see a 50-150/50-135


I'd prefer a 50-150 that extra length would be nice... I was shooting a concert a few weeks back and not one shot I liked was beyond 150. I'd take a 135 in a second though. f2.8 is so important.


the NX-1 needs to have a body only option...I'd have the NX30 now if I could get it body only.

 

[dka91]

Erm a little defensive don't you think?

I wasn't asking for full frame, nor demanding it, I was just pursuing an interesting avenue of conversation, but Im glad you like your NX, I enjoy using my NX300 and the 85mm is one of the best lenses mirrorless has to offer.

 

[dka91]

Thanks for that very informative post! It is interesting, I personally will not probably use full frame in the near future.....but it is cool to hear about future possibilities.