G7 Raw

[4-8-4-Northern]

the offical response in a nutshell is "PowerShot G7
doesn't have RAW image support, and that there is no plan to
implement it for this model."

Screw you, jerks.

From Canon's point of view
the image quality using high quality JPEG images is excellent

Image quality is good enough for you pigs. Now, shut up and get your wallets out.

 

[Virvatulet]

I'm starting to have happy thoughts !! If most of the posters here
are correct, and the G7 doesn't sell, and we get an early price
drop, I'l be Very happy to save a few bucks. Just don't know if I

I’m sorry. The most likely option is that most of the posters here are correct and despite that the “G”7 will sell.

-Virvatulet

 

[kellert]

it has to cost them something, otherwise they would have included so as not to disapoint anyone.

think about it.

While Canon owes us no more, it's certainly reasonable for some to
be disappointed considering it would have cost them nothing to keep
RAW.

 

[kellert]

yep, sound good.

the offical response in a nutshell is "PowerShot G7
doesn't have RAW image support, and that there is no plan to
implement it for this model."

Screw you, jerks.

From Canon's point of view
the image quality using high quality JPEG images is excellent

Image quality is good enough for you pigs. Now, shut up and get
your wallets out.

 

[madmaxmedia]

No camera combining all (I know the s3 does, it's just an example),
I could say I don't get that strategy but I suppose canon doesn't
want to create the "perfect camera" canibalising on their higher
end DSLRs.

This is a valid point, but the image quality of these smaller sensors doesn't approach that of the bigger sensors in their DSLR's anyways.

--
http://www.madmaxmedia.com

 

[Kelly Mackey]

it [RAW] has to cost them something, otherwise they would have included
so as not to disapoint anyone.

think about it.

So true...here are some of the costs:

• Additional memory to buffer the large file sizes
• Support costs
• Lost dSLR sales to those who won't buy a camera without RAW (minus the sales lost to competitors with RAW digicam offerings)

 

[Virvatulet]

So true...here are some of the costs:

• Additional memory to buffer the large file sizes

Not true. The camera has to have a CCD A/D read buffer, so it’s there already. Besides they would have hard time finding low capacity memory chips, the cheapest ones are those commonly used in information technology and nowadays they are large.

• Support costs

Not significant, but true. They already have to support their programs, additional cost is not worth mentioning.

• Lost dSLR sales to those who won't buy a camera without RAW

(minus the sales lost to competitors with RAW digicam offerings)

Very likely what they have written to their strategy.

-Virvatulet

 

[Erik Stiegler]

Wouldn't there have to be some kind of RAW capability at least during development to create the JPEG algorithms?

How much more buffer would it need? It already significantly outperforms the G6 with higher resolution JPEGs, and movie mode. I think the camera is probably already up to the task of shooting RAW.

I don't buy that it would canibalize DSLR sales. RAW won't turn a 1/1.8" CCD into an APS-C CMOS sensor. Unless there are enough people out there who think it will, I guess.

 

[Robert Hoffman]

Apparently, to Canon, the jury is still out and that jury is not
forum talk like this, but the greater buying market.

Exactly! They believe it only when they see it on the bottom line.
Nothing else matters because they think that they have made the
right strategy, decisions and read the market right. Even inside
critique that they could have done better will be silenced if the
“G”7 won’t be a significant flop, since who would
want to admit bad decisions and take the blame.

The “G”7 is a grotesque example of marketing
“analyst” druids dictating product development;
it’s like any other religion, full of beliefs and very little
if any evidence. But they are convincing speakers for their cause.

I have no doubt about that the “G”7 will be a testing
success and shall sell well. Not because it is such an
extraordinary camera, but because what it has behind it, Canon
brand, distribution cannels, marketing, PR, luminaries (persons
with no direct public relationship with Canon but that speak in
favour of their products), the legacy of G-series and the icing on
the cake is that not many of the reviewers are up to the task.

-Virvatulet

--
'Don't sneak up on it - surround it'

 

[Mr Ralf]

...already a kind of RAW?!?!!?
--

• Mr Ralf -

 

[milehog]

Just thought i'd mention that at our meeting with Canon at
Photokina we raised all the points mentioned here about the
'disappointing' spec of the G7. One question we asked in particular
was whether the raw option could be implemented via a firmware
upgrade, and we have be promised an answer. No breath holding
though..
S
--
Simon Joinson, dpreview.com

I think they will give G7 a tiff instead of raw. Since in theory
raw expose all the CCD flaw at 10MP. IMHO.

--
henry

This my opinion, I do not want you to accept my view, but I humbly
ask you to evaluate what I say and judge for yourself, if it make
sense.

This proves that even with RAW. People will still complain about it.

 

[Virvatulet]

I think they will give G7 a tiff instead of raw. Since in theory
raw expose all the CCD flaw at 10MP. IMHO.

This proves that even with RAW. People will still complain about it.

And that is an indication about what?

-Virvatulet

 

[linuxworks]

it has to cost them something, otherwise they would have included
so as not to disapoint anyone.

think about it.

I have thought about it.

my conclusion: canon is not an engineering-driven company. its marketing driven. sales driven. but not 'the best they could make the camera'. sorry to say that to canonites, but canon on small digicams has been behind the tech curve for years.

their high end slrs - marvelous! the older g-series and pro-1: quite good. the new stuff: big big yawn!

this wasn't about canon 'not able' to put raw in there. it was clearly a marketing move. they are TRAINING the customer base on what to 'expect' in small digicams.

if they wanted to put raw in there, it would have been pretty easy, given their history of g-series. this was most certainly a calculated move to shift the quality expectation, upwards.

--
Bryan (pics only: http://www.flickr.com/photos/linux-works )
(pics and more: http://www.netstuff.org ) ~

 

[linuxworks]

...already a kind of RAW?!?!!?

not in this universe.

--
Bryan (pics only: http://www.flickr.com/photos/linux-works )
(pics and more: http://www.netstuff.org ) ~

 

[kellert]

i use the 20d too. i think it's a good cam. i use it like a point and shoot. it's got RAW.

it has to cost them something, otherwise they would have included
so as not to disapoint anyone.

think about it.

I have thought about it.

my conclusion: canon is not an engineering-driven company. its
marketing driven. sales driven. but not 'the best they could make
the camera'. sorry to say that to canonites, but canon on small
digicams has been behind the tech curve for years.

their high end slrs - marvelous! the older g-series and pro-1:
quite good. the new stuff: big big yawn!

this wasn't about canon 'not able' to put raw in there. it was
clearly a marketing move. they are TRAINING the customer base on
what to 'expect' in small digicams.

if they wanted to put raw in there, it would have been pretty easy,
given their history of g-series. this was most certainly a
calculated move to shift the quality expectation, upwards.

--
Bryan (pics only: http://www.flickr.com/photos/linux-works )
(pics and more: http://www.netstuff.org ) ~

 

[Simon66]

Oh well. Can't wait for the G8 to come out. Maybe it will be global warming friendly and terrorist proof (depending on who's side you're on) but still, it still might not have RAW...G8,get it?

 

[linuxworks]

Oh well. Can't wait for the G8 to come out. Maybe it will be global
warming friendly and terrorist proof (depending on who's side
you're on) but still, it still might not have RAW...G8,get it?

well, if you thought there were riots here when the g7 came out, g8 riots (protests) make the g7 riots look like a garden party

--
Bryan (pics only: http://www.flickr.com/photos/linux-works )
(pics and more: http://www.netstuff.org ) ~

 

[Koosla]

"wide disappointment"?

kind of a melodramatic, embellishment, don't you think?

Not really. And as a matter of fact, you agree with me on this one.

 

[Mark B.]

...but still disappointing. Canon has shown no interest in adding features through firmware upgrades, so the response is exactly what I expected.

Mark

 

[Simon66]

Oh well. Can't wait for the G8 to come out. Maybe it will be global
warming friendly and terrorist proof (depending on who's side
you're on) but still, it still might not have RAW...G8,get it?

well, if you thought there were riots here when the g7 came out, g8
riots (protests) make the g7 riots look like a garden party

--
Bryan (pics only: http://www.flickr.com/photos/linux-works )
(pics and more: http://www.netstuff.org ) ~

Mate, I'll be there with my G7,Taking advantage of the hot shoe and blinding the enemy temporarily whilst wearing a "I went to Amazon and all i got was this lousy camera" t-shirt

Nite all