G2/G3 print size?

[Steve110587]

First of all excellent pics... yes it is the photographer as well as the equipment..

you know.. the best pictur4es I ever took was with a $50 (circa 1970) russian camera called the Zenit-E.
fully manual and quite ugly...

(many years later i spoke to a professional photographer who blushed and under his breath also admitted he used this camera for some of his pro shots ... i wonder if they still make Zenits).
ANYWAY.

as for your little project ... as I said... this is just a favor me and maybe others who may be wondering about enhancements... SO TAKE YOUR TIME .... we'll see it when you're ready !.
Stephen.
p.s.

as i was a dumn 18 year old at the time... i sold that zenit to buy a minolta xg-1.... ya I know... i should have kept it...
but then i SHOULD HAVE KEPT MY SPIDERMAN #1 comic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Steve110587]

but isn't adope going to have a plug-in to import RAW photos into their photoshop programs ?...

that would allow FULL manipulation of the photos ... as far as I understand anyway.

 

[jlkpmn]

And my MAD #1!

First of all excellent pics... yes it is the photographer as well
as the equipment..
you know.. the best pictur4es I ever took was with a $50 (circa
1970) russian camera called the Zenit-E.
fully manual and quite ugly...
(many years later i spoke to a professional photographer who
blushed and under his breath also admitted he used this camera for
some of his pro shots ... i wonder if they still make Zenits).
ANYWAY.
as for your little project ... as I said... this is just a favor me
and maybe others who may be wondering about enhancements... SO TAKE
YOUR TIME .... we'll see it when you're ready !.
Stephen.
p.s.
as i was a dumn 18 year old at the time... i sold that zenit to buy
a minolta xg-1.... ya I know... i should have kept it...
but then i SHOULD HAVE KEPT MY SPIDERMAN #1 comic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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JLK

 

[thang]

I am not sure if I can answer your question. Not because I don't want to but because I am not technical enough. I can tell you my work flow though. Here it goes:

1. I took the picture in Raw mode on my G1.
2. I used Breezebrowser (a great program) to convert the file from RAW to .tiff
3. I then brought it up in Photoshop 6.0
4. Ran Fredmiranda SI action (I used the 1.5x option - there are 1.5x, 2x, 3x)
5. Then I did the crop all the necessary crop and adjustment.
6. Saved the file and sent it to Jumbogiant.com for print.

I hope this helps. If not, let me know how to go about to find the info you need then I can send them to you.

Thang.

Thang.

I have couple prints sent to Jumbogiant.com and I am very pleased
with the results. Of course, the files were manipulated a little
bit to be able to get it to that size. Before the end of the year,
I will upgrade to G3. My wife just gave me the green light.:=).

You can take a look at my gallery at: http://www.pbase.com/tnt_imaging

I have also printed my own prints on the Epson 780. The largest
that I did was 8x12.

Thang.

I've been seriously considering purchasing a G2 or G3, but have
been a little concerned about maximum print size.

I will want to do large prints (at least 11" x 14") and would love
to go 12" x 18".

Are there any G2/G3 owners with good/bad experiences doing large
prints like this out there?

I'm a graphic designer and am very familiar with file resolution,
etc., but I can't remember the formula for digital prints. I
recently read somewhere that it's 150 pixels per inch @ 100% which
would put the G2/G3 at 11.36" x 15.147"

Does it depend on what kind of printer you're sending the file to?
Inkjet, laser, lightjet, etc.

Any help clearing this issue up would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

Chris

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[Matt105483]

most print services print 250-300 dpi ... to print a 10 x 12 you would need the source photo to be 3000 x 3600 pixel ... (in theory)

With how many pixels do you end up for the large prints when they still look good ?

1. I took the picture in Raw mode on my G1.
2. I used Breezebrowser (a great program) to convert the file from
RAW to .tiff
3. I then brought it up in Photoshop 6.0
4. Ran Fredmiranda SI action (I used the 1.5x option - there are
1.5x, 2x, 3x)
5. Then I did the crop all the necessary crop and adjustment.
6. Saved the file and sent it to Jumbogiant.com for print.

I hope this helps. If not, let me know how to go about to find the
info you need then I can send them to you.

Thang.

Thang.

I have couple prints sent to Jumbogiant.com and I am very pleased
with the results. Of course, the files were manipulated a little
bit to be able to get it to that size. Before the end of the year,
I will upgrade to G3. My wife just gave me the green light.:=).

You can take a look at my gallery at: http://www.pbase.com/tnt_imaging

I have also printed my own prints on the Epson 780. The largest
that I did was 8x12.

Thang.

I've been seriously considering purchasing a G2 or G3, but have
been a little concerned about maximum print size.

I will want to do large prints (at least 11" x 14") and would love
to go 12" x 18".

Are there any G2/G3 owners with good/bad experiences doing large
prints like this out there?

I'm a graphic designer and am very familiar with file resolution,
etc., but I can't remember the formula for digital prints. I
recently read somewhere that it's 150 pixels per inch @ 100% which
would put the G2/G3 at 11.36" x 15.147"

Does it depend on what kind of printer you're sending the file to?
Inkjet, laser, lightjet, etc.

Any help clearing this issue up would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

Chris

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[thang]

I just checked the file that I had it printed in 16x24. I went into Photoshop and under Image Size, it say "Pixel Dimension 19.3M". Does this answer your question?

Thang.

With how many pixels do you end up for the large prints when they
still look good ?

1. I took the picture in Raw mode on my G1.
2. I used Breezebrowser (a great program) to convert the file from
RAW to .tiff
3. I then brought it up in Photoshop 6.0
4. Ran Fredmiranda SI action (I used the 1.5x option - there are
1.5x, 2x, 3x)
5. Then I did the crop all the necessary crop and adjustment.
6. Saved the file and sent it to Jumbogiant.com for print.

I hope this helps. If not, let me know how to go about to find the
info you need then I can send them to you.

Thang.

Thang.

I have couple prints sent to Jumbogiant.com and I am very pleased
with the results. Of course, the files were manipulated a little
bit to be able to get it to that size. Before the end of the year,
I will upgrade to G3. My wife just gave me the green light.:=).

You can take a look at my gallery at: http://www.pbase.com/tnt_imaging

I have also printed my own prints on the Epson 780. The largest
that I did was 8x12.

Thang.

I've been seriously considering purchasing a G2 or G3, but have
been a little concerned about maximum print size.

I will want to do large prints (at least 11" x 14") and would love
to go 12" x 18".

Are there any G2/G3 owners with good/bad experiences doing large
prints like this out there?

I'm a graphic designer and am very familiar with file resolution,
etc., but I can't remember the formula for digital prints. I
recently read somewhere that it's 150 pixels per inch @ 100% which
would put the G2/G3 at 11.36" x 15.147"

Does it depend on what kind of printer you're sending the file to?
Inkjet, laser, lightjet, etc.

Any help clearing this issue up would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

Chris

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[AaroNZ]

Hi Ron,

I'd like to know more about your large prints. I am thinking of purchasing a G3 soon and would like to take some family portraits at the largest printable resolution that I can.

Aaron

(Waikato)

Chris,

I work for Xerox and as such, have access to their wide range of
colour digital printers and copiers.

I am amazed at the output quality of my photographs when printed on
these machines.

I constantly print my photographs at A3 size (297mm x 420mm or
11.68" x 16.53") and there is never any noticeable pixelation or
degradation in the finished product.

All my shots are taken at 2272 x 1704 resolution, Large - I haven't
tried RAW format yet

Soon, I intend to conduct a series of 'similar' photographs (using
the same subject and lighting) at the different resolutions and
compressions. I want to see what differences are visible once the
photographs are printed.

Ron

--
Zippity - A happy G2 owner
http://www.pbase.com/zippity
Wellington, New Zealand

 

[zippity]

Aaron,

What would you like to know?

I'd like to know more about your large prints. I am thinking of
purchasing a G3 soon and would like to take some family portraits
at the largest printable resolution that I can.

Aaron

(Waikato)

Chris,

I work for Xerox and as such, have access to their wide range of
colour digital printers and copiers.

I am amazed at the output quality of my photographs when printed on
these machines.

I constantly print my photographs at A3 size (297mm x 420mm or
11.68" x 16.53") and there is never any noticeable pixelation or
degradation in the finished product.

All my shots are taken at 2272 x 1704 resolution, Large - I haven't
tried RAW format yet

Soon, I intend to conduct a series of 'similar' photographs (using
the same subject and lighting) at the different resolutions and
compressions. I want to see what differences are visible once the
photographs are printed.

Ron

--
Zippity - A happy G2 owner
http://www.pbase.com/zippity
Wellington, New Zealand

--
Zippity - A happy G2 owner
http://www.pbase.com/zippity
Wellington, New Zealand

 

[Peter N]

Mad:

So, that means to have a reasonable quality 12x18 image without much visiable degradation, we need to take images in RAW mode(assuming, my camera is a Canon Gx, then convert to TIFF 16-bit, then edit in PS, then save back in 16-bit TIFF?

That way, you have a TIFF file of 20MB at the end.

to print a 12 x 18 you would need (max) 12x300 x 18x300 = 19 Mpixel.

in real life you may get away with less for an acceptable result.
You can also extrapolate the photo in photoshop to get pixles and
avoid block artifacts. This will still soften the photo still....

I have never printed larger than 4x6 from my G2 ....

I think real experiance is the only measure either from users here
or yourself.

I recommend: Dowload on of dpreviews. G3 testphotos and get it
printed 12x18 , then decide if you like it.

I've been seriously considering purchasing a G2 or G3, but have
been a little concerned about maximum print size.

I will want to do large prints (at least 11" x 14") and would love
to go 12" x 18".

Are there any G2/G3 owners with good/bad experiences doing large
prints like this out there?

I'm a graphic designer and am very familiar with file resolution,
etc., but I can't remember the formula for digital prints. I
recently read somewhere that it's 150 pixels per inch @ 100% which
would put the G2/G3 at 11.36" x 15.147"

Does it depend on what kind of printer you're sending the file to?
Inkjet, laser, lightjet, etc.

Any help clearing this issue up would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

Chris

--
Peter

G3 - it's amazing!
http://myg3shots.dynu.com/gallery/

 

[Matt105483]

... I would like to know how many pixel by pixel you use for the 16x24 prints

I.e

3000x4000 pixel

Thang.

With how many pixels do you end up for the large prints when they
still look good ?

1. I took the picture in Raw mode on my G1.
2. I used Breezebrowser (a great program) to convert the file from
RAW to .tiff
3. I then brought it up in Photoshop 6.0
4. Ran Fredmiranda SI action (I used the 1.5x option - there are
1.5x, 2x, 3x)
5. Then I did the crop all the necessary crop and adjustment.
6. Saved the file and sent it to Jumbogiant.com for print.

I hope this helps. If not, let me know how to go about to find the
info you need then I can send them to you.

Thang.

Thang.

I have couple prints sent to Jumbogiant.com and I am very pleased
with the results. Of course, the files were manipulated a little
bit to be able to get it to that size. Before the end of the year,
I will upgrade to G3. My wife just gave me the green light.:=).

You can take a look at my gallery at: http://www.pbase.com/tnt_imaging

I have also printed my own prints on the Epson 780. The largest
that I did was 8x12.

Thang.

I've been seriously considering purchasing a G2 or G3, but have
been a little concerned about maximum print size.

I will want to do large prints (at least 11" x 14") and would love
to go 12" x 18".

Are there any G2/G3 owners with good/bad experiences doing large
prints like this out there?

I'm a graphic designer and am very familiar with file resolution,
etc., but I can't remember the formula for digital prints. I
recently read somewhere that it's 150 pixels per inch @ 100% which
would put the G2/G3 at 11.36" x 15.147"

Does it depend on what kind of printer you're sending the file to?
Inkjet, laser, lightjet, etc.

Any help clearing this issue up would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

Chris

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[cluna]

Mad:

So, that means to have a reasonable quality 12x18 image without
much visiable degradation, we need to take images in RAW
mode(assuming, my camera is a Canon Gx, then convert to TIFF
16-bit, then edit in PS, then save back in 16-bit TIFF?

Yahh, if JPEG then the artifacts will show. Also, bayer color artifacts also start to show more at higher levels of resize (I need to try a test with the sd9 tiff) even with RAW.

But What people fail to realize is that 300DPI is needed to produce good results yet that doesn't mean the image has to have a native format equal to that to be of excellent quality. The image will still be printed at the optimal print density. The optimal image pixel density is determined by the subject matters complexity.

 

[thang]

I.e

3000x4000 pixel

Thang.

With how many pixels do you end up for the large prints when they
still look good ?

1. I took the picture in Raw mode on my G1.
2. I used Breezebrowser (a great program) to convert the file from
RAW to .tiff
3. I then brought it up in Photoshop 6.0
4. Ran Fredmiranda SI action (I used the 1.5x option - there are
1.5x, 2x, 3x)
5. Then I did the crop all the necessary crop and adjustment.
6. Saved the file and sent it to Jumbogiant.com for print.

I hope this helps. If not, let me know how to go about to find the
info you need then I can send them to you.

Thang.

Thang.

I have couple prints sent to Jumbogiant.com and I am very pleased
with the results. Of course, the files were manipulated a little
bit to be able to get it to that size. Before the end of the year,
I will upgrade to G3. My wife just gave me the green light.:=).

You can take a look at my gallery at: http://www.pbase.com/tnt_imaging

I have also printed my own prints on the Epson 780. The largest
that I did was 8x12.

Thang.

I've been seriously considering purchasing a G2 or G3, but have
been a little concerned about maximum print size.

I will want to do large prints (at least 11" x 14") and would love
to go 12" x 18".

Are there any G2/G3 owners with good/bad experiences doing large
prints like this out there?

I'm a graphic designer and am very familiar with file resolution,
etc., but I can't remember the formula for digital prints. I
recently read somewhere that it's 150 pixels per inch @ 100% which
would put the G2/G3 at 11.36" x 15.147"

Does it depend on what kind of printer you're sending the file to?
Inkjet, laser, lightjet, etc.

Any help clearing this issue up would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

Chris

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[crl]

most print services print 250-300 dpi ... to print a 10 x 12 you
would need the source photo to be 3000 x 3600 pixel ... (in theory)

With how many pixels do you end up for the large prints when they
still look good ?

You are mixing up dots-per-inch (dpi) with pixels-per-inch (ppi). dpi refers to the printer resolution and 250-300 is very low. ppi refers to the image resolution.

You would be more correct to say that most print services print at 250-300 ppi requiring an image of about 3000 ppi x 3600 ppi for a 10x12. For example I use photoshop to set my image resolution at 288 ppi before printing the image on my Epson at 1440 dpi.

Please trim your posts as there is no reason to quote so much and it only bogs down the server.

 

[Jim Lewis]

So, that means to have a reasonable quality 12x18 image without
much visiable degradation, we need to take images in RAW
mode(assuming, my camera is a Canon Gx, then convert to TIFF
16-bit, then edit in PS, then save back in 16-bit TIFF?

Right on the RAW, but 16-bit is not as critical an issue. That's a theoretical maximum anyway, since my scanner delivers 14-bits, and the Canon G2 something less than that--10 or 12. My practice is to make curve adjustments in 16-bit, then convert to 8-bit fpr the full accessibility of Photoshop tools. (I'll be interested in other responses to this issue. I always learn something new.)

The reason for this is that I cannot discern a visible difference between an 8-bit and 16-bit image coming straight from the camera, but when making adjustments that redistribute color values, I like to work with as much color information as possible. The difference in working this way does show up on a histogram and, depending on the slope of the curves, is detectable to the naked eye.

--
Jim Lewis
http://www.pbase.com/pdx_photoman
http://www.jimlewis.info

Tools of Choice: Canon G2, Elan IIE, CanonScan FS4000US, Photoshop 7, Epson 2000P