Frame rate - for the last time I promise

[Fishman Dan]

Hi everyone .... photographer here who does some video.

Based in Australia, I've picked up a couple of jobs this year that I couldn't turn down (despite telling myself no more video about 2 weeks before the first series).

Basics ... I'm recording an informational series of case studies on location with people in the bee industry. We've done 4 that were really well received, so they have engaged me for another 2.

The preamble is to say whatever I did last time, it was fine for the purpose. The client was very happy and they were shown at conferences were they were very well received.

The question is ....

Last time it appears I used ALL-I 25p with a shutter speed of 1/50th. In my region, the camera only gives me options for 25p and 50p (I can get around that but no need I don't think).

If I use 50p, I should bump the shutter speed to 1/100th?

The trickiest bit is I've set aside time for testing, but it's 37*c outside right now at midday, and tomorrow when I shoot it's forecast to be 18* and showers

The content is;

* Interview (canon R3 + 70-200 most likely).
* B-roll of managing hives and bees (R6 + 35mm on a gimbal and longer shots using the above)
* Scenery from DJI Mini Pro 3

Note - In the initial series, B-roll shots were slowed down in post often to stretch out the content, especially footage from the drone.

I really am looking to lock into my aging grey matter - what is the best/easiest frame rate to work with when your platform is YouTube/streaming.

Any info would be gratefully appreciated!

 

[NickZ2016]

If you want to stick to the 180 rule then yes up your SS to twice the frame rate.

Doesn't Canon offer shutter angle?

The thing to think about is what are you looking for? 180 will give you what most consider "normal". Going to an even higher SS will make it easier to add stabilization in post. You'll see this with things like action cams. But you can find reasons to go faster or slower. If you like the look.

 

[Fishman Dan]

Thanks ... I've spent the day on this and going a bit deeper. I'm pretty confident I'll shoot LOG, and learned how to use Zebras now too.

It's evening now and I'm shooting tomorrow .... expecting overcast skies and possibly quite a bit of rain, so likely to shoot undercover, perhaps even indoors which changes things. I have LED light panels and feel confident I can correctly expose.

Sticking with 25p/50 mainly due to to file sizes and the content I'm shooting, it really doesn't need anything more.

 

[NickZ2016]

I find Zebras pretty tough to not clip highlights unless you aggressively pull back on exposure. Unless Canon's are better. If Canon offers waveforms or false colour I'd use that.

An off camera monitor isn't a huge investment but it'll give you better exposure tools.

 

[CanonC100User]

I Usually shoot at 50fps so I have the option later of using half speed slomo. My C100 has the advantage of a shutter angle setting so it is always at twice the framerate. I also have a waveform display as well which is very useful to get the correct exposure as I shoot in C-Log.

A shutter speed of twice the framerate will give you natural motion blur but this is not set in stone. It depends what effect you are trying to achieve.

You can always put 50fps footage into a 25p timeline and it will play at the correct speed..

I have no problems with 50fps UHD footage on YouTube.

This is an example that contains all of the above except 50fps in a 25p timeline.

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DaVinci Resolve Studio, Avid Pro Tools, and a Canon C100 mk2.

 

[patrol_taking_9j]

For me, if I'm shooting 50/60fps content and high-frame-rate stuff, sometimes I'll use a shutter speed a little bit faster than 1/2xFR, because these days we're pretty used to crisp slomo. Suggest experimenting a bit.

 

[Hendrik_nl]

Hi everyone .... photographer here who does some video.

Based in Australia, I've picked up a couple of jobs this year that I couldn't turn down (despite telling myself no more video about 2 weeks before the first series).

Basics ... I'm recording an informational series of case studies on location with people in the bee industry. We've done 4 that were really well received, so they have engaged me for another 2.

The preamble is to say whatever I did last time, it was fine for the purpose. The client was very happy and they were shown at conferences were they were very well received.

The question is ....

Last time it appears I used ALL-I 25p with a shutter speed of 1/50th. In my region, the camera only gives me options for 25p and 50p (I can get around that but no need I don't think).

If I use 50p, I should bump the shutter speed to 1/100th?

The trickiest bit is I've set aside time for testing, but it's 37*c outside right now at midday, and tomorrow when I shoot it's forecast to be 18* and showers

The content is;

* Interview (canon R3 + 70-200 most likely).
* B-roll of managing hives and bees (R6 + 35mm on a gimbal and longer shots using the above)
* Scenery from DJI Mini Pro 3

Note - In the initial series, B-roll shots were slowed down in post often to stretch out the content, especially footage from the drone.

I really am looking to lock into my aging grey matter - what is the best/easiest frame rate to work with when your platform is YouTube/streaming.

Any info would be gratefully appreciated!

You can use 1/50 shutter speed with 50 FPS. It's called a 360 degree shutter angle and gives great results with still nice motion blur.

 

[bing041]

Hi everyone .... photographer here who does some video.

Based in Australia, I've picked up a couple of jobs this year that I couldn't turn down (despite telling myself no more video about 2 weeks before the first series).

Basics ... I'm recording an informational series of case studies on location with people in the bee industry. We've done 4 that were really well received, so they have engaged me for another 2.

The preamble is to say whatever I did last time, it was fine for the purpose. The client was very happy and they were shown at conferences were they were very well received.

The question is ....

Last time it appears I used ALL-I 25p with a shutter speed of 1/50th. In my region, the camera only gives me options for 25p and 50p (I can get around that but no need I don't think).

If I use 50p, I should bump the shutter speed to 1/100th?

The trickiest bit is I've set aside time for testing, but it's 37*c outside right now at midday, and tomorrow when I shoot it's forecast to be 18* and showers

The content is;

* Interview (canon R3 + 70-200 most likely).
* B-roll of managing hives and bees (R6 + 35mm on a gimbal and longer shots using the above)
* Scenery from DJI Mini Pro 3

Note - In the initial series, B-roll shots were slowed down in post often to stretch out the content, especially footage from the drone.

I really am looking to lock into my aging grey matter - what is the best/easiest frame rate to work with when your platform is YouTube/streaming.

Any info would be gratefully appreciated!

You can use 1/50 shutter speed with 50 FPS. It's called a 360 degree shutter angle and gives great results with still nice motion blur.

You can use 1/200th of a second with 60 or 50 fps and get nice smooth motion. And you can then also utilize digital stabilization in post effectively. Unlike for 1/50th because of the blurring

 

[Sean Nelson]

You can use 1/200th of a second with 60 or 50 fps and get nice smooth motion.

I find this to be the case as well. It seems that at 60fps my eye just doesn't have time to perceive the individual frames, so when I'm shooting don't even bother worrying about the shutter speed.

Some people are more sensitive, though. I remember reading about people who used to get headaches watching 60p progressive video on CRT monitors without long persistence phosphors. So I think this is something that everyone should test for themselves to see if it works for them.

 

[Fishman Dan]

An off camera monitor isn't a huge investment but it'll give you better exposure tools.

I agree with this, however this will be the last video I do for maybe 6 months, and I would need to consider other things to mount the screen. But I definitely struggle when having to review on the small screen ... my eyes are not getting any better.

 

[NickZ2016]

Some of the cheap monitors come in kit form including everything. I wouldn't claim the mounts included are great but they'll get you started.

The bigger issue is it takes some practice to learn the tools

 

[Gary3000]

You can use 1/200th of a second with 60 or 50 fps and get nice smooth motion.

I find this to be the case as well. It seems that at 60fps my eye just doesn't have time to perceive the individual frames, so when I'm shooting don't even bother worrying about the shutter speed.

Some people are more sensitive, though. I remember reading about people who used to get headaches watching 60p progressive video on CRT monitors without long persistence phosphors. So I think this is something that everyone should test for themselves to see if it works for them.

Shooting 50/60fps with a 1/200th shutter does not make things look better or smoother, in fact it makes things choppy and less smooth.



There's a reason why cameras default to 180 degree shutter, why there's the phrase "180 degree rule", and why filmmakers adhere to it unless they actually want to intentionally make their footage look choppier.

.

 

[Gary3000]

Hi everyone .... photographer here who does some video.

Based in Australia, I've picked up a couple of jobs this year that I couldn't turn down (despite telling myself no more video about 2 weeks before the first series).

Basics ... I'm recording an informational series of case studies on location with people in the bee industry. We've done 4 that were really well received, so they have engaged me for another 2.

The preamble is to say whatever I did last time, it was fine for the purpose. The client was very happy and they were shown at conferences were they were very well received.

The question is ....

Last time it appears I used ALL-I 25p with a shutter speed of 1/50th. In my region, the camera only gives me options for 25p and 50p (I can get around that but no need I don't think).

If I use 50p, I should bump the shutter speed to 1/100th?

The trickiest bit is I've set aside time for testing, but it's 37*c outside right now at midday, and tomorrow when I shoot it's forecast to be 18* and showers

simple answer is yes, if you intend to shoot 50p, just set the shutter speed to 1/100 and you'll be just fine. That's what shutter speed the industry uses when shooting at that frame rate.

But 25fps is perfectly fine for many purpose, and quite common as well, so if the clients liked what they saw last time at 25p, you could be fine but sticking with it. - as they might not like the look of 50p, because it will make your footage look more like video/soap opera/local news, and less documentary/interview style which might be what you're looking for. Just watch some YouTube videos on your TV of both frame rates and see for yourself.

Shoot some tests,. and run those tests by the client as well to see what they prefer.

 

[Gary3000]

Hi everyone .... photographer here who does some video.

Based in Australia, I've picked up a couple of jobs this year that I couldn't turn down (despite telling myself no more video about 2 weeks before the first series).

Basics ... I'm recording an informational series of case studies on location with people in the bee industry. We've done 4 that were really well received, so they have engaged me for another 2.

The preamble is to say whatever I did last time, it was fine for the purpose. The client was very happy and they were shown at conferences were they were very well received.

The question is ....

Last time it appears I used ALL-I 25p with a shutter speed of 1/50th. In my region, the camera only gives me options for 25p and 50p (I can get around that but no need I don't think).

If I use 50p, I should bump the shutter speed to 1/100th?

The trickiest bit is I've set aside time for testing, but it's 37*c outside right now at midday, and tomorrow when I shoot it's forecast to be 18* and showers

The content is;

* Interview (canon R3 + 70-200 most likely).
* B-roll of managing hives and bees (R6 + 35mm on a gimbal and longer shots using the above)
* Scenery from DJI Mini Pro 3

Note - In the initial series, B-roll shots were slowed down in post often to stretch out the content, especially footage from the drone.

I really am looking to lock into my aging grey matter - what is the best/easiest frame rate to work with when your platform is YouTube/streaming.

Any info would be gratefully appreciated!

You can use 1/50 shutter speed with 50 FPS. It's called a 360 degree shutter angle and gives great results with still nice motion blur.

This is actually a method that a few folks use to shoot creatively. was never possible with film cameras but now with digital one can shoot with a 360degree shutter. The results have more creamier motion blur in them at 50fps.

And if you drop into a 25p timeline, it will effectively drop every other frame, resulting in basically a standard 25p 1/50th video., but allow you to also slow down the footage for perfect slower motion stuff.
the caveat is your captured footage files will be significantly larger.

 

[bing041]

You can use 1/200th of a second with 60 or 50 fps and get nice smooth motion.

I find this to be the case as well. It seems that at 60fps my eye just doesn't have time to perceive the individual frames, so when I'm shooting don't even bother worrying about the shutter speed.

Some people are more sensitive, though. I remember reading about people who used to get headaches watching 60p progressive video on CRT monitors without long persistence phosphors. So I think this is something that everyone should test for themselves to see if it works for them.

Shooting 50/60fps with a 1/200th shutter does not make things look better or smoother, in fact it makes things choppy and less smooth.

There's a reason why cameras default to 180 degree shutter, why there's the phrase "180 degree rule", and why filmmakers adhere to it unless they actually want to intentionally make their footage look choppier.

.

No, no.

No one is claiming that shooting 60 fps at 1/200th *improves* motion. The claim is it does not impair it visually. Check it out, think for yourself rather than aping the 180 rule.

Cinematographers shoot at 24P, not 60P. They have zero experience shooting at 60P (except perhaps for slow motion, which is not what is being discussed). And, at higher shutter speeds you can deploy digital stabilization, which does improve footage, significantly, over even gimbal shots.

How much experience do you have shooting at 60P?

My experience: I shoot now most of my videos at 60P with ILC's employing the 180 shutter angle. I also shoot 60P with action cams, with shutter speeds as high as 1/1000, because there is no aperture or ND . I do not see any significant difference in the depiction of motion. Fact, based on shooting not reading what others say. My videos are all over this site, you can to check.

If you actually see a difference, ok, fine. Have you actually tested this claim?

I do see plenty of 24 fps videos posted with high shutter speeds, and, yes, the motion is staccato; employing the180 shutter angle for 24P or 30P - yes. 60P, not really necessary. Really.

 

[Gary3000]

You can use 1/200th of a second with 60 or 50 fps and get nice smooth motion.

I find this to be the case as well. It seems that at 60fps my eye just doesn't have time to perceive the individual frames, so when I'm shooting don't even bother worrying about the shutter speed.

Some people are more sensitive, though. I remember reading about people who used to get headaches watching 60p progressive video on CRT monitors without long persistence phosphors. So I think this is something that everyone should test for themselves to see if it works for them.

Shooting 50/60fps with a 1/200th shutter does not make things look better or smoother, in fact it makes things choppy and less smooth.

There's a reason why cameras default to 180 degree shutter, why there's the phrase "180 degree rule", and why filmmakers adhere to it unless they actually want to intentionally make their footage look choppier.

.

No, no.

No one is claiming that shooting 60 fps at 1/200th *improves* motion. The claim is it does not impair it visually. Check it out, think for yourself rather than aping the 180 rule.

Cinematographers shoot at 24P, not 60P. They have zero experience shooting at 60P (except perhaps for slow motion, which is not what is being discussed). And, at higher shutter speeds you can deploy digital stabilization, which does improve footage, significantly, over even gimbal shots.

How much experience do you have shooting at 60P?

My experience: I shoot now most of my videos at 60P with ILC's employing the 180 shutter angle. I also shoot 60P with action cams, with shutter speeds as high as 1/1000, because there is no aperture or ND . I do not see any significant difference in the depiction of motion. Fact, based on shooting not reading what others say. My videos are all over this site, you can to check.

If you actually see a difference, ok, fine. Have you actually tested this claim?

I do see plenty of 24 fps videos posted with high shutter speeds, and, yes, the motion is staccato; employing the180 shutter angle for 24P or 30P - yes. 60P, not really necessary. Really.

c'mon man, the OP was asking about what the IDEAL shutter speed to use if he planned to shoot 50p with his ILC and similar camera's. (and yeah, he's got a gimbal as well). THAT is what is being discussed.
Since you yourself shoot with 180 degree shutter at 60fps, - the answer (for 50fps) is 1/100.

anything higher makes the staccato more noticeable, especially with fast moving objects.
.and guess what moves fast? Bees (which the OP might be featuring) do. 50p with a 1/200 shutter (or 1/1000) of bees would look worse at those higher shutter speeds.

Just because you can't see the difference that there's half as much motion blur, doesn't mean it's not there. Nobody desires to shoot at higher shutter speeds unless they have no choice or are intentionally doing so for the effect/post effects. period.

 

[bing041]

You can use 1/200th of a second with 60 or 50 fps and get nice smooth motion.

I find this to be the case as well. It seems that at 60fps my eye just doesn't have time to perceive the individual frames, so when I'm shooting don't even bother worrying about the shutter speed.

Some people are more sensitive, though. I remember reading about people who used to get headaches watching 60p progressive video on CRT monitors without long persistence phosphors. So I think this is something that everyone should test for themselves to see if it works for them.

Shooting 50/60fps with a 1/200th shutter does not make things look better or smoother, in fact it makes things choppy and less smooth.

There's a reason why cameras default to 180 degree shutter, why there's the phrase "180 degree rule", and why filmmakers adhere to it unless they actually want to intentionally make their footage look choppier.

.

No, no.

No one is claiming that shooting 60 fps at 1/200th *improves* motion. The claim is it does not impair it visually. Check it out, think for yourself rather than aping the 180 rule.

Cinematographers shoot at 24P, not 60P. They have zero experience shooting at 60P (except perhaps for slow motion, which is not what is being discussed). And, at higher shutter speeds you can deploy digital stabilization, which does improve footage, significantly, over even gimbal shots.

How much experience do you have shooting at 60P?

My experience: I shoot now most of my videos at 60P with ILC's employing the 180 shutter angle. I also shoot 60P with action cams, with shutter speeds as high as 1/1000, because there is no aperture or ND . I do not see any significant difference in the depiction of motion. Fact, based on shooting not reading what others say. My videos are all over this site, you can to check.

If you actually see a difference, ok, fine. Have you actually tested this claim?

I do see plenty of 24 fps videos posted with high shutter speeds, and, yes, the motion is staccato; employing the180 shutter angle for 24P or 30P - yes. 60P, not really necessary. Really.

c'mon man, the OP was asking about what the IDEAL shutter speed to use if he planned to shoot 50p with his ILC and similar camera's. (and yeah, he's got a gimbal as well). THAT is what is being discussed.
Since you yourself shoot with 180 degree shutter at 60fps, - the answer (for 50fps) is 1/100.

anything higher makes the staccato more noticeable, especially with fast moving objects.
.and guess what moves fast? Bees (which the OP might be featuring) do. 50p with a 1/200 shutter (or 1/1000) of bees would look worse at those higher shutter speeds.

Just because you can't see the difference that there's half as much motion blur, doesn't mean it's not there. Nobody desires to shoot at higher shutter speeds unless they have no choice or are intentionally doing so for the effect/post effects. period.

You are just repeating your assertions based on theory and no evidence. The fact is that motion depiction at higher shutter speeds for 50 fps or 60 fps is visually unimpaired in my experience and that of others, who have posted here, relative to following the 180 "rule." I am not recommending discarding the rule, however, unless one needs to stabilize in post.

Btw, I have posted a video of bees and other motion, at 60 fps 180 rule just recently.



This has enraged some viewers who think that 24 fps at 180 rule is ideal - for motion. They think that any frame rate above 24 results in "inorganic" and "hyperrealistic" motion even following the 180 rule. They learned that in film school, mostly 30 years ago. I hope you do not believe that.

Whoops, I just saw you do believe that. Oh well.

 

[bing041]

Hi everyone .... photographer here who does some video.

Based in Australia, I've picked up a couple of jobs this year that I couldn't turn down (despite telling myself no more video about 2 weeks before the first series).

Basics ... I'm recording an informational series of case studies on location with people in the bee industry. We've done 4 that were really well received, so they have engaged me for another 2.

The preamble is to say whatever I did last time, it was fine for the purpose. The client was very happy and they were shown at conferences were they were very well received.

The question is ....

Last time it appears I used ALL-I 25p with a shutter speed of 1/50th. In my region, the camera only gives me options for 25p and 50p (I can get around that but no need I don't think).

If I use 50p, I should bump the shutter speed to 1/100th?

The trickiest bit is I've set aside time for testing, but it's 37*c outside right now at midday, and tomorrow when I shoot it's forecast to be 18* and showers

simple answer is yes, if you intend to shoot 50p, just set the shutter speed to 1/100 and you'll be just fine. That's what shutter speed the industry uses when shooting at that frame rate.

But 25fps is perfectly fine for many purpose, and quite common as well, so if the clients liked what they saw last time at 25p, you could be fine but sticking with it. - as they might not like the look of 50p, because it will make your footage look more like video/soap opera/local news, and less documentary/interview style which might be what you're looking for. Just watch some YouTube videos on your TV of both frame rates and see for yourself.
Shoot some tests,. and run those tests by the client as well to see what they prefer.

Oh no, not this: 50 fps..."will make your footage look more like video/soap opera/local news, and less documentary/interview style" so use a slower frame rate than 50 fps.

This is just rhetoric. The fact is that 25 fps (180 rule) depicts motion worse (less realistically) than 50 fps (180 rule) = jerkier motion and blurrier images of things that move. That is fact. Just try it; don't rely on someone touting film school cliche's ("soap opera effect," really?). Pollutes the mind.

 

[Gary3000]

You can use 1/200th of a second with 60 or 50 fps and get nice smooth motion.

I find this to be the case as well. It seems that at 60fps my eye just doesn't have time to perceive the individual frames, so when I'm shooting don't even bother worrying about the shutter speed.

Some people are more sensitive, though. I remember reading about people who used to get headaches watching 60p progressive video on CRT monitors without long persistence phosphors. So I think this is something that everyone should test for themselves to see if it works for them.

Shooting 50/60fps with a 1/200th shutter does not make things look better or smoother, in fact it makes things choppy and less smooth.

There's a reason why cameras default to 180 degree shutter, why there's the phrase "180 degree rule", and why filmmakers adhere to it unless they actually want to intentionally make their footage look choppier.

.

No, no.

No one is claiming that shooting 60 fps at 1/200th *improves* motion. The claim is it does not impair it visually. Check it out, think for yourself rather than aping the 180 rule.

Cinematographers shoot at 24P, not 60P. They have zero experience shooting at 60P (except perhaps for slow motion, which is not what is being discussed). And, at higher shutter speeds you can deploy digital stabilization, which does improve footage, significantly, over even gimbal shots.

How much experience do you have shooting at 60P?

My experience: I shoot now most of my videos at 60P with ILC's employing the 180 shutter angle. I also shoot 60P with action cams, with shutter speeds as high as 1/1000, because there is no aperture or ND . I do not see any significant difference in the depiction of motion. Fact, based on shooting not reading what others say. My videos are all over this site, you can to check.

If you actually see a difference, ok, fine. Have you actually tested this claim?

I do see plenty of 24 fps videos posted with high shutter speeds, and, yes, the motion is staccato; employing the180 shutter angle for 24P or 30P - yes. 60P, not really necessary. Really.

c'mon man, the OP was asking about what the IDEAL shutter speed to use if he planned to shoot 50p with his ILC and similar camera's. (and yeah, he's got a gimbal as well). THAT is what is being discussed.
Since you yourself shoot with 180 degree shutter at 60fps, - the answer (for 50fps) is 1/100.

anything higher makes the staccato more noticeable, especially with fast moving objects.
.and guess what moves fast? Bees (which the OP might be featuring) do. 50p with a 1/200 shutter (or 1/1000) of bees would look worse at those higher shutter speeds.

Just because you can't see the difference that there's half as much motion blur, doesn't mean it's not there. Nobody desires to shoot at higher shutter speeds unless they have no choice or are intentionally doing so for the effect/post effects. period.

You are just repeating your assertions based on theory and no evidence. The fact is that motion depiction at higher shutter speeds for 50 fps or 60 fps is visually unimpaired in my experience and that of others, who have posted here, relative to following the 180 "rule." I am not recommending discarding the rule, however, unless one needs to stabilize in post.

Btw, I have posted a video of bees and other motion, at 60 fps 180 rule just recently.

Whoops, I just saw you do believe that. Oh well.

This has enraged some viewers who think that 24 fps at 180 rule is ideal - for motion. They think that any frame rate above 24 results in "inorganic" and "hyperrealistic" motion even following the 180 rule. They learned that in film school, mostly 30 years ago. I hope you do not believe that.

99.9% of everything you see on TV, Film and Youtube is shot with (roughly) a 180 degree shutter.

OP asked a question. you answered it incorrectly (because in "your: experience" and perception it didn't make a difference. You answered incorrectly. period.

 

[Gary3000]

Hi everyone .... photographer here who does some video.

Based in Australia, I've picked up a couple of jobs this year that I couldn't turn down (despite telling myself no more video about 2 weeks before the first series).

Basics ... I'm recording an informational series of case studies on location with people in the bee industry. We've done 4 that were really well received, so they have engaged me for another 2.

The preamble is to say whatever I did last time, it was fine for the purpose. The client was very happy and they were shown at conferences were they were very well received.

The question is ....

Last time it appears I used ALL-I 25p with a shutter speed of 1/50th. In my region, the camera only gives me options for 25p and 50p (I can get around that but no need I don't think).

If I use 50p, I should bump the shutter speed to 1/100th?

The trickiest bit is I've set aside time for testing, but it's 37*c outside right now at midday, and tomorrow when I shoot it's forecast to be 18* and showers

simple answer is yes, if you intend to shoot 50p, just set the shutter speed to 1/100 and you'll be just fine. That's what shutter speed the industry uses when shooting at that frame rate.

But 25fps is perfectly fine for many purpose, and quite common as well, so if the clients liked what they saw last time at 25p, you could be fine but sticking with it. - as they might not like the look of 50p, because it will make your footage look more like video/soap opera/local news, and less documentary/interview style which might be what you're looking for. Just watch some YouTube videos on your TV of both frame rates and see for yourself.
Shoot some tests,. and run those tests by the client as well to see what they prefer.

Oh no, not this: 50 fps..."will make your footage look more like video/soap opera/local news, and less documentary/interview style" so use a slower frame rate than 50 fps.

This is just rhetoric. The fact is that 25 fps (180 rule) depicts motion worse (less realistically) than 50 fps (180 rule) = jerkier motion and blurrier images of things that move. That is fact. Just try it; don't rely on someone touting film school cliche's ("soap opera effect," really?). Pollutes the mind.

Yes, this, 24p with a. 180 Degree shutter looks beautiful. That's why everyone (professional filmmakers) uses it.
50fp, with a 180degree, looks like Video. and shooting 50p with a faster shutter of 1/200 ( ~80 degree) will make it look even _worse _ and even more like video
And I don't need to spend the time to test it out, as I've seen YOUR Videos, .. that look like beautifully crisp.. VIDEO.

That's what they teach in film school.

And even funnier when you ask AI:

"what does videos shot at 1/200 look like". the answer:

"Shooting video at a fast shutter speed like 1/200th of a second producesa distinct "staccato" or choppy look, with very little motion blur on moving subjects. "
"The standard for video, known as the 180-degree shutter rule, is to set your shutter speed to double your frame rate. This creates a natural amount of motion blur that closely mimics how the human eye perceives motion, giving footage a smooth, classic "film" look."
even better
"The main downside is that shooting at a fast shutter speed is not visually appealing for most standard video. The unnatural, choppy look can be distracting and is generally considered to be a beginner's mistake when trying to achieve a smooth, cinematic style."