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rosbif

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Not sure if this is me or my a100. I have never been happy with the flash performance on my camera, but I don't know if it just me or it is a problem.

Here's a shot I took today - all in auto mode with the on camera flash on. As you can see it's come out very dark. Subject was 2-3m away.



This is another - same settings:



Here's another I took at the same time which looks much brighter:



I tried various different modes, aperture priority, autoflash, fill flash, red eye etc. Still get variably dark photos. Is it me?
 
appears in the ery dark shot. Not in 2nd or 3rd.

Which lens?

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I live in Minoltaville, just inside Alpha City, at the intersection of Konica and Sony
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Are these with external flash ?
Put your camera mode dial at Green and reshoot them.
If everything seems right then it's your settings and/or external flash
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Giannis Koutroulas
Greece
 
Are these with external flash ?
Put your camera mode dial at Green and reshoot them.
If everything seems right then it's your settings and/or external flash
------------------------------
Giannis Koutroulas
Greece
It was in auto with the onboard flash... Just seems to be so variable.
 
Good luck getting help here. This issue (flash performance of the a100) has been posted to death here for at least a year, and there are two separate and solidly entrenched camps.

(1) The flash behavior is inconsistent, and sometimes the damn thing underexposes my shots by at least 3 stops, and I can't seem to figure out why it happens or how to prevent it from happening. I'm in this camp - I've had many shots exactly like yours. I can take a picture of my son sitting at the kitchen table working on a model, and it's terribly underexposed. Rats. Adjust exposure, change from DTI to preflash, adjust flash exposure compensation, no matter what I try it keeps stubbornly underexposing this picture. Move to a different angle from a different spot in the room without changing any setting on the camera and I get a perfectly exposed picture. People in this camp are very frustrated, and when they ask for help, people from the second camp say:

(2) You people don't know how to use your camera. There is NOTHING wrong with the a100 flash metering - you are just stupid or incompetent. Did you bump the flash exposure compensation dial? Was your finger in front of the flash? Did you have the camera set incorrectly? Learn to use your camera instead of wasting our time complaining here. Go away.

I can't tell you how frustrating this has been. I've stopped talking about it and am just saving up my pennies to buy either the a900 or the a700 depending on what we see at PMA.

Good luck.

PS - one thing to keep an eye out for is a bright highlight someplace within the shot you've framed - a reflection from a piece of glass or metal, typically. The a100 will meter so that no portion of the picture has blown highlights, even if this means that a few pixels on a hot spot reflecting off a spoon on the table are the only thing properly exposed, and the rest of the kitchen is 4 stops down.
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Imaging is Engineering
 
That does seem to be what is happening to mine. I've ended up sometimes shooting without flash at high ISO just to get a picture. Annoying as hell as I can't see anywhere on the shots anywhere near blown that could confuse the metering.

I wonder if it is just some examples with a problem - I can't believe it happens to everyone?
 
Have you updated to the latest 1.04 firmware? I seem to get pretty consistent shots with the onboard flash since updating from v1.00 and keeping the flash compensation set to +0.3ev.
 
You might want to check out this article if you haven't already. A highly reflective spot in the picture could be causing the problem. http://photoclubalpha.com/2007/06/12/flash-choices-for-the-alpha-dslrs/

I have the same problem using a Sony external flash, so I returned it.

If I want flash, I often use an old Sunpak 383 with a cheap adapter and set the A100 to manual mode.
 
Rosbif,

It's not just you. The TTL on my A100 works HORRIBLE. 100% unreliable which is why I never shoot in TTL mode. I shoot with my flash in manual mode all the time. I've had scenarios where I was in TTL with flash compensation up +2 and the picture was still underexposed (regardless of ISO) (person had on a Light Beige Sweater)compensation still didn't work using kit lense. TTL still failed even when I knew I had focused on the subject (so distance info could be relayed back to the camera) and coupled with my aperature.. and ISO ... it was still a no go. TTL on the A100 just gives me headaches so I stopped using it.

So what do I do now? I Shoot manual and I carefully watch my histogram. If there is something white in my shot then some of the data in my graph should be about 2/3rds of the way into highlight section (4th region) on the graph but NOT touching right edge. That will give you almost perfect exposure on something white without it being blown out. Once you get an exposure making a graph like that then you can just shoot away and it will remain consistent. For really dark tones make sure nothing goes off the left side of the graph (unless you really want deep dark featureless shadows).

You can adjust the flash intensity in larger increments from 1/1 down to 1/32 of the power. Start at the 1/8 power and move up or down as you need. To get a more granular change in flash intensity you can manipulate your Aperature in 1/3's... and for even smaller adjustment simply move a few inches closer or farther away from your subject until they are exposed well. Once you get your correct exposure then you know that for "that aperature", at "that power setting" on your flash you need to be roughly "that distance" away from your subject. It is reliable and repeatable but takes some practice to learn how a well exposed looks on the histogram. I've learned that a bright picture on my A100 LCD (with a good histogram) will be really close to being properly exposed in jpg or raw.

To see what stuff looks like when correctly exposed then use a light meter or grey card to set exposure then look at the screen and histogram to get a feel for what "right" looks like. You can get to know your camera this well but it takes time.

This method is hard to do on fast moving targets unless you've figured out the correct power setting/distance in advance. A little testing before hand can go a long way.

I always shoot this way because it gives me full control on what needs to be tweaked. If the flash intensity needs to be decreased by just a smidget then either I will stop down my aperature by 1/3 or a move a few inches away from that person. Try it.. it works.... A small move will result in a small change in exposure if you keep the flash power set the same. Closer it will get a little brighter.. further away a little darker. You can test this with a light meter to see what I'm talking about.

One thing to aim for is to get a good exposure of your ambient light first WITHOUT FLASH. Then stop down your aperature 1 to 1 1/2 FSTOP then adjust your flash and distance from subject at that setting to illuminate them well. Once you nail it.. it will never change and all your shots will be consistent IF you stay the same distance from the subject. Just play with it.. it may take you a few pops to get it dialed in but once it's dialed in.. you don't have to worry about the camera messing it up and from that point you can just shoot and adjust however much you need based on movement. After a while it will become second nature on what to adjust. Aim to nail it right there on the spot but shoot in raw to attempt to salvage images that are off track and yes some will be.

I used this method of using manual flash to capture my son's wrestling tournament.. balancing ambient with flash.. from this picture to the end.
http://ivanwatkins.smugmug.com/gallery/4134959#241280655

Also check out this write up on flash it may help make things click.

http://planetneil.com/tangents/flash-photography-techniques/1-natural-looking-flash/

Try it... I hope that one day I have a camera that does TTL correctly but until then I will be all manual.

Ivan
http://www.ivanwatkins.com
 
I, too, had plenty of problems with the flash. I also posted the question here and stirred up quite the storm between the two factions. HOWEVER....I took the advice to heart and have really studied the flash and camera and am starting to get results from the advice that was given in that thread.

I recently took photos at my daughters 5th grade winter dance, and was very happy with the results I got. The photos weren't perfect, but I was able to get consistent results by using my flash in manual and bouncing the flash..then adjusting settings accordingly .

http://gallery.mac.com/bugsb9#100089

I learned something while doing this, and will use that in the future......use the search feature and you will find a wealth of info on this subject.

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Sony A100
Sony 18-70 3.5
Sony FV56 Flash
Minolta 600si
Minolta 28-105 3.5
Sigma 70-200 2.8 APO
Sigma 2x Converter APO
Minolta 20mm 2.8
 
Thanks for taking the time to respond all.. To be honest I haven't even gone into manual flash modes as I am only just getting the hang of aperture and shutter modes! Add exposure compensation in and I'm nearly at the end of my knowledge..

I think I need to sit down and read some of the advice given here and see what I can learn about flash.

Not quite point and shoot is it!
 
rosbif,

I don't post in this forum that often but I would give you one piece of advice. If after reading the manual, you feel that you understand the way the flash system was designed to work and it does not work as intended, get it fixed. I can tell you that it took me a while to understand that metering mode, and flash modes work in different ways and yield different results under the same condition. If there is a problem with the camera no amount of advice will give you the result you are looking for, only one thing to do. Get it fixed.

Good luck.
 
that the 5D, 7D, and a100 have all been implicated in complaints of flash problems.

Seems that with Sony fully at the helm, the problem(s) is(are) fixed, listening to owners reports of the a700.

I feel that my kit lens suffers more than others and wonder about it now.
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Gene

I live in Minoltaville, just inside Alpha City, at the intersection of Konica and Sony
Getting blisters while 'on the fence' - decision coming soon.

'The only thing easier than being wrong .. is denying it!' -me

http://www.PhotosThatDay.com
 
Ray Garrison was 100% right.

You can solve it with an external Metz flash that uses it's own metering. It communicates with the A100. So it knows what aperture and ISO are being used. No pre-flash, no TTL. And everytime well exposed pictures.

A100 and TTL is not a combo. Period.

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Today's oppressed become tomorrow's oppressors...
 

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