Five unexpected side effects of MF

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Greg, welcome to the world of GFX. Providing you concentrate on your hand-holding technique you should find that the GFX system is not that unforgiving for getting sharp images. Like you, I shoot a lot of landscapes, and of course it will pay dividends to lock the camera down on a tripod when you can, but don't be afraid to experiment.

And, just to play devil's advocate, the upcoming GFX 100S is likely to feature IBIS if you can wait several months ( and of course, afford $10K ).

Regardless of which GFX camera you purchase the one thing I can guarantee is that you will be blown away by the image quality. As much as I love my Fuji X-Trans bodies I find I'm almost always picking up my GFX 50S these days.

Enjoy.
 
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Some of the guys/gals here just picked up a 50r and three lenses for $5500. And when Fuji USA runs their instant rebates twice a year, it's $500-700 off a lens not $100-200 like Canon.
Are the Fuji sales fairly predictable?
Yes.
I just bought the 250/4 since I didn't want to miss the sale that ends this month, and I'm hoping that there's another sale by the time I'll want to get the 23 and 120 (ideally, in the spring).
Fuji has had a holiday sale the last two years I've been a Fuji user and according to Chris Dodkin, long time Fuji user, it's very dependable. There is also a sale in the spring sometime but I can't if individual lenses were reduced or it was a bundle sale.

The 250mm credible by the way if you haven't shot with it yet. The 1.4x TC is a worthwhile purchase as well.
OK, thanks. I was thinking that there may be another sale when the 100MP comes out. Hopefully for individual lenses too, since I'd rather not wait another year to pick up the 23 and 120, and I've bought too much in the past few weeks to add those to the pile just yet.

I did use the 250 yesterday for the first time. Impressive. I've had the camera for a month now, and was using a Contax 100-300 as my long lens so far. It's very good, but the 250 is definitely a cut above. I'm planning to get the 1.4x TC sometime soon.
 
Greg, welcome to the world of GFX. Providing you concentrate on your hand-holding technique you should find that the GFX system is not that unforgiving for getting sharp images. Like you, I shoot a lot of landscapes, and of course it will pay dividends to lock the camera down on a tripod when you can, but don't be afraid to experiment.

And, just to play devil's advocate, the upcoming GFX 100S is likely to feature IBIS if you can wait several months ( and of course, afford $10K ).

Regardless of which GFX camera you purchase the one thing I can guarantee is that you will be blown away by the image quality. As much as I love my Fuji X-Trans bodies I find I'm almost always picking up my GFX 50S these days.

Enjoy.
Thanks DJ. That's what I thought (and knew), but it is good to hear. I just wonder if I'm going to travel with MF gear long-term. I will take it on my upcoming two-month early-spring trip to some big Med islands (Majorca, Sardinia, Corsica, Malta, Sicily and maybe, if I have time … Crete). Lot of flights carrying the 50r with 23 and 32-64, plus the XH-1 with 16-55, 50-140 and Rok 12 and also the little X100F in a side-pocket. If I can get all that on a plane in two relatively small shoulder bags it will work. Whew!

Greg Johnson, San Antonio, Texas
 
Some of the guys/gals here just picked up a 50r and three lenses for $5500. And when Fuji USA runs their instant rebates twice a year, it's $500-700 off a lens not $100-200 like Canon.
Are the Fuji sales fairly predictable?
Yes.
I just bought the 250/4 since I didn't want to miss the sale that ends this month, and I'm hoping that there's another sale by the time I'll want to get the 23 and 120 (ideally, in the spring).
Fuji has had a holiday sale the last two years I've been a Fuji user and according to Chris Dodkin, long time Fuji user, it's very dependable. There is also a sale in the spring sometime but I can't if individual lenses were reduced or it was a bundle sale.

The 250mm credible by the way if you haven't shot with it yet. The 1.4x TC is a worthwhile purchase as well.
OK, thanks. I was thinking that there may be another sale when the 100MP comes out.
Well they probably will similar to the rollout for the 50r.
Hopefully for individual lenses too, since I'd rather not wait another year to pick up the 23 and 120, and I've bought too much in the past few weeks to add those to the pile just yet.

I did use the 250 yesterday for the first time. Impressive. I've had the camera for a month now, and was using a Contax 100-300 as my long lens so far. It's very good, but the 250 is definitely a cut above. I'm planning to get the 1.4x TC sometime soon.
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Tex, I'm hitting the order button today so I'm all-in on GFX, and I love reading you guys. You are all good salesmen for GFX and I'm salivating right now with GAS. I came here for the first time yesterday as it has always been against my religion on DPR to leave the Fuji Board. I would consider it to be Trolling if I ever stepped foot into posting on the SonCaNikon Boards, as so many of them do on our Fuji Board (daily and almost constantly in order to inform us of the superiority of their FF over Fuji X-Trans).
Well, first of all, ignore obvious trolls, here and everywhere. Remember that trolling is sociopathic--sociopaths feed on getting a rise out of people, as that is their opiate used to fill the hole in their souls. I visit other forums on occasion, I'm just polite about it.
But as far as the "margin of error" you mention being broader with MF, I'm worried that it is narrower in the sense that my EV decisions that I normally make with the benefit of IBIS (XH-1) are going to be much narrower with GFX, not only from lack of IBIS but because of the unforgiving resolution capturing even minute camera shake.
Well, this is a good point. So, I would say this about it: First, I'm a Pentax 645Z guy, former Fuji MF film guy. The smaller and lighter Fuji DMF cameras will make "run and gun"-ish photography more tempting, while the larger Z tends to remind you to use a support---although I use it handheld all the time. With the Z, however, I have found that from an EV standpoint its forgiving qualities, which are really enormous, easily allow me to shoot handheld. It's forgiving both in wonderful high iso performance and also reciprocally (I guess) through underexposing and pushing in post. Each are useful in different ways. But that is a specific characteristic of the Z (with the penalty that you can be badly spanked on the highlight side if not very careful...). I can't attest to the Fuji's---you'll have to ask that specific question of those who've had it. Start with Jim Kasson, who has hard data, but work out from that to other shooters.
High res benefits can be erased by hand-holding challenges that do not exist with my other system.
Yeesssssss....but. Remember that in this case some of that high res is higher than in other formats, so if you miss a little then you actually haven't "lost". With the Z the bulk of the system promotes better hand held stability for some (like me). The smaller and lighter Fuji's maybe are more jittery, I don't know. Their big ole' film cameras ("Texas Leica" was the one I had) were pretty easy to hold still---got lots of images to prove it, including some outlandish ones. But AFAIK, high res is not the only or even the most important value of the system. Superb DR and smoothness of tonalities are equally important to me. The data doesn't (yet!) support my assertion. My eyes sure do. FYI, I'm trained as a painter. Nuance is a big deal to me, and in my field it's conservators doing the testing, very carefully and deeply. But I can tell you that all of their data can't tell you why ter Borch's depictions of satin are so breathtaking, or why Jasper Johns' paintings are so mysterious.
Am I right? I'm a travel photographer. I travel, take lots of gear and shoot lots of images. I like my DOF
Which DOF? Deep or shallow? I shoot deep 99% of the time currently, and have always done.
and low hand-held speed capability with my gear. I know I'm not going to have that with GFX. I will have to adapt because that ultra high-res and huge sensor is going to demand higher hand-held speeds and I will constantly be opening up my aperture more than I want to get that, or perhaps dialing in more ISO to buy that. Am I right? Or is it not going to be that big a deal?
Well, there's technique involved, you'll have to recover those breathing and relaxation techniques. It's a slower style, for sure if you ask me. I think that's a good thing. A big reminder: to get the same deep DOF you are going to need to stop down further with DMF---and all that that entails. I am routinely shooting at f16.
Reassure a fellow Texan if you can.
Well, I was only born there, Big Spring---which my DAR gran thought was outlandish, and that's how the name started.
I'm spending 10 grand more now this year than I thought I was going to spend on camera gear,
I feel you. I spent way more than that since 2014---and it was waaaaaaaaay more than I had any right to from a fiscal responsibility standpoint. Have not regretted one cent of the expenditure, not evn a scintilla of doubt.
and this is a camera equipment board so the perfect place to get either support or ridicule. I rarely need hand-holding, but sometimes a Man needs some reassurance. 🤠
Fools rush in, etc. So, not normal hand-holding. It's a decision that requires more than typical consideration. Read the regular posters on this forum, the enthusiastic ones (like Chris) through the skeptics (like Eric.). I had some other reasons to make the jump up to DMF that don't pertain here, and importantly I had a Pentax 645N and several lenses, so I wasn't starting from scratch---a big deal for me. As Jim keeps saying, right tools for the job.
 
Thanks so much for that great advice. Very helpful. I'm getting the 50r, 23, 45 and 32-64.
 
Does the current bundle deals end at the end of December for the Fuji 50R?

Also, did B&H honor the crazy three lens plus 50R prices? Please say no because I passed on it thinking it was a mistake.

That 50R looks fine to me. The lenses are huge but it looks really good. Of course I love rangefinder bodies and it’s in the shape of a RF camera.
 
6: Makes my life easier, shooting-wise. Of course, of course, it is possible to get great images with lesser gear. But, for someone like me, lesser gear has a much narrower window for success that I have to squeeze into. Better gear means I can &*%# up a bit and still get a terrific image quality (by my standards, according to what it is I'm shooting and how exacting I must be for that). This is very true for me with DMF, but also true with FF, just to a lesser degree. I noticed it right away when I moved to FF, and again when I got my Z

This is a little different than the "gaining self confidence" benefit cited. It's a margin of error benefit. It's particularly helpful in post I find.

7: 4 years on, still pretty G.A.S. proof---because I know that it's my own skills that are wanting, not the gear's capabilities. The only G.A.S. I've had was to flesh out my system, which is now done---I have only one lens to upgrade to a latest version (which is notably superior).
AOK...how about an amusing 8th. Have some "full frame" users, aka 35mm, go absolutely crazy at trying to put down the Fuji (and Hassey) medium format system by saying it isn't "real mf"....or calling it 0.80 MF...anything to bolster their 35mm sensor as being the only real fullframe...LOL. There were no less than 7 medium format sizes....and that MF simply meant larger than 35 and smaller than 4x5...but watching a few of them go absolutely crazy has been amusing...and well worth an 8th benefit....LOL
 
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