Finally, a decision (S60)

[soah]

...that the S70 would be the slower of the two. Could you please explain why it would write faster the the CF card when the images would be larger? I thought it would be slower.

Much thanks.

That said, perhaps "2 seconds" to one person is "immediately" to
another I'll be running a few more tests this evening.

Mark

Just recorded a RAW image,with my new S70.

It took 2 seconds to display the image(JPEG ,tested in the highest
res,and the lowest res).

It takes at least 4 more seconds to finish writing to the CF
card(Sandisk 256MB)

ANAYV

 

[ANAYV]

according to Canon,the buffer is bigger in the S70,than the S60.

This is weird,but it's mentioned here,a few times.

Some other website reviewed both S60/70,and mentions the bigger buffer in the S70 .

ANAYV

Much thanks.

That said, perhaps "2 seconds" to one person is "immediately" to
another I'll be running a few more tests this evening.

Mark

Just recorded a RAW image,with my new S70.

It took 2 seconds to display the image(JPEG ,tested in the highest
res,and the lowest res).

It takes at least 4 more seconds to finish writing to the CF
card(Sandisk 256MB)

ANAYV

 

[ANAYV]

Yep.the green light tells all
:> )

I didn't notice any difference between saving a 640 x 480 JPEG,or the highest resolution JPEG.Still takes about 2 seconds,to display the image.

You'd think the bigger JPEG would take longer.

ANAYV

Mark

Just recorded a RAW image,with my new S70.

It took 2 seconds to display the image(JPEG ,tested in the highest
res,and the lowest res).

It takes at least 4 more seconds to finish writing to the > > > card'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status='; return true;"> CF
card(Sandisk 256MB)

ANAYV

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http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=3463185093
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http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=3446285093
http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=3445810093

 

[Brian Cerveny]

On my S70 it takes 1 second to display after shot in JPEG mode, 2 seconds in raw mode. CF speed does not affect this, likely because it is displaying the new shot out of buffer, not CF.

Write speed varies, however. Times are approximate:

PNY 10x:

• 5s jpeg
• 12s raw

Ridata 26x, SanDisk 60x:

• 3s jpeg
• 9s raw

Interesting experiment though, as it demonstrates that buying somewhat faster CF makes some difference in this model, especially if you shoot raw.

Brian

Raw will take about 4 seconds to write and display (too long).

Thanks.

Mark

Thanks for the response. What type of card are you using (speed)?
Do you have this experience when using the card that came with the
camera (presumably a pretty slow, cheapo card). The delay is quite
significant for me and I'd love to identify the cause.

Are you saying in record mode that the picture is almost
immediatelty displayed (a second or less)? I'd like to understand
what "I don't find any delays" means.

--
Regards,
Brian Cerveny

 

[Parn190423]

I have never noticed this because I always shoot with the highest resolution. I guess this issue could be related to the CF access time not the transfer rate.

Yep.the green light tells all
:> )

I didn't notice any difference between saving a 640 x 480 JPEG,or
the highest resolution JPEG.Still takes about 2 seconds,to display
the image.

You'd think the bigger JPEG would take longer.

ANAYV

--
A DP beginner.
My Galleries:
http://www.pbase.com/knight_parn
http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=3463185093
http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=3451245093
http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=3446285093
http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=3445810093

 

[Heechee]

I have a Sandisk Ultra II inside it, and I find it very slow, compared to an SLR.. I like it though, but no chance of photographing anything that moves fast, and writing RAW files is slow too.

It's a great little camera, ain't it!!! I am really enjoying this
form factor - a really nice middle ground between my
flexible-but-bulky G2 and the small-but-limited Nikon 3100. So far
I am impressed with the useability of the various controls (both in
terms of physical layout and menus).

I haven't had a chance to get out yet so my picture taking
opportunities have been somewhat limited but I intend to snap like
crazy this weekend.

One potential disappointment. I am using the CompactFlash cards
that came with the machine (the 32Mb card that Canon included and
the 256Mb SanDisk that Dell threw in). I assume that both are
"regular" speed (whatever that is) but I did expect a little more
speed from the S60. There are considerable lags after taking
pictures and I am HOPING that this is a factor of slow cards,
rather than the camera itself. I don't have a high speed card
available yet and will happily get one if it makes a difference but
I'd be interested in other people's opinions of the speed of the
S60 in terms of writing to the card. Right now, my S60 seems, if
anything, slower than my G2 (three+ years old) but that's not a
scientific test. In both cases I am using RAW. I'd appreciate any
opinions on this aspect of the camera.

Thanks.

Mark

Well, after much back-and-forth, I finally decided to bite the
bullet and just ordered an S60. I got a couple of stackable coupons
from Dell (been waiting all weekend for the $45 discount to
reappear!!!) and got it for $359 before shipping and (darn it!)
tax. $404 to my door, though, can't be bad (included a 256Mb card
the throw in).

As some of you may recall from other threads, I'd be struggling
with whether to replace my "big" camera (a G2) or my small camera
(Nikon 3100). I chose the latter because the G2 / 420Ex combination
still produces cracking pictures (at least to my level of
satisfaction) for indoor events where I don't mind carry it
around). But now I'll have a pretty compact camera (wifey said
she'd be OK with it in her handbag, which is the acid test!!!) with
a boat load of nice features. And I don't give up RAW, which has
saved my bacon once or twice. I am looking forward to getting an
appreciation of the benefits of the 28mm lens too, which will be
new for me.

It's actually been quite an eye opener for me in terms of why I
chose this one. Traditionally, I have always gone for "good stuff"

• which would have had me going for an S70 at this time - just

because!!! But I have taken a look at my picture taken habits over
the past 3 years (since I got the G2) and the prints I have
produced and, quite frankly, I just don't need the extra 2
megapixels. Perhaps this will give me a new lease of life in terms
of taking pictures but I will still have the option to upgrade
later if that turns out to be the case.

I can't wait to get the S60!!!

Thanks for everyone's advice here.

Mark

PS: I think I will miss the swivel LCD!!!

 

[ANAYV]

I have never noticed this because I always shoot with the highest
resolution. I guess this issue could be related to the CF access
time not the transfer rate.

I don't know.
The JPEG never goes on the CF card,just the RAW image does.
The JPEG is for display purposes only.

So I'd think it would be in the internal buffer(before the CF transfer)

ANAYV
S70 macro:

Yep.the green light tells all
:> )

I didn't notice any difference between saving a 640 x 480 JPEG,or
the highest resolution JPEG.Still takes about 2 seconds,to display
the image.

You'd think the bigger JPEG would take longer.

ANAYV

--
A DP beginner.
My Galleries:
http://www.pbase.com/knight_parn
http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=3463185093
http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=3451245093
http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=3446285093
http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=3445810093

 

[ANAYV]

I have a Sandisk Ultra II inside it, and I find it very slow,
compared to an SLR.. I like it though, but no chance of
photographing anything that moves fast, and writing RAW files is
slow too.

Just switch to S.Fine JPEG mode,in times when you need the faster speed.

The extended buffer in the S70,over the S60 is a plus,but I'd rather 4fps,instead of 2fps.

With a 7MP image,I guess I'm asking for too much

ANAYV

It's a great little camera, ain't it!!! I am really enjoying this
form factor - a really nice middle ground between my
flexible-but-bulky G2 and the small-but-limited Nikon 3100. So far
I am impressed with the useability of the various controls (both in
terms of physical layout and menus).

I haven't had a chance to get out yet so my picture taking
opportunities have been somewhat limited but I intend to snap like
crazy this weekend.

One potential disappointment. I am using the CompactFlash cards
that came with the machine (the 32Mb card that Canon included and
the 256Mb SanDisk that Dell threw in). I assume that both are
"regular" speed (whatever that is) but I did expect a little more
speed from the S60. There are considerable lags after taking
pictures and I am HOPING that this is a factor of slow cards,
rather than the camera itself. I don't have a high speed card
available yet and will happily get one if it makes a difference but
I'd be interested in other people's opinions of the speed of the
S60 in terms of writing to the card. Right now, my S60 seems, if
anything, slower than my G2 (three+ years old) but that's not a
scientific test. In both cases I am using RAW. I'd appreciate any
opinions on this aspect of the camera.

Thanks.

Mark

Well, after much back-and-forth, I finally decided to bite the
bullet and just ordered an S60. I got a couple of stackable coupons
from Dell (been waiting all weekend for the $45 discount to
reappear!!!) and got it for $359 before shipping and (darn it!)
tax. $404 to my door, though, can't be bad (included a 256Mb card
the throw in).

As some of you may recall from other threads, I'd be struggling
with whether to replace my "big" camera (a G2) or my small camera
(Nikon 3100). I chose the latter because the G2 / 420Ex combination
still produces cracking pictures (at least to my level of
satisfaction) for indoor events where I don't mind carry it
around). But now I'll have a pretty compact camera (wifey said
she'd be OK with it in her handbag, which is the acid test!!!) with
a boat load of nice features. And I don't give up RAW, which has
saved my bacon once or twice. I am looking forward to getting an
appreciation of the benefits of the 28mm lens too, which will be
new for me.

It's actually been quite an eye opener for me in terms of why I
chose this one. Traditionally, I have always gone for "good stuff"

• which would have had me going for an S70 at this time - just

because!!! But I have taken a look at my picture taken habits over
the past 3 years (since I got the G2) and the prints I have
produced and, quite frankly, I just don't need the extra 2
megapixels. Perhaps this will give me a new lease of life in terms
of taking pictures but I will still have the option to upgrade
later if that turns out to be the case.

I can't wait to get the S60!!!

Thanks for everyone's advice here.

Mark

PS: I think I will miss the swivel LCD!!!

 

[ANAYV]

Nice of you to post your test,Brian.

I'm glad I have a 256MB Ultra II Sandisk Card (60x)

S70 macro shot:



ANAYV

Write speed varies, however. Times are approximate:

PNY 10x:

• 5s jpeg
• 12s raw

Ridata 26x, SanDisk 60x:

• 3s jpeg
• 9s raw

Interesting experiment though, as it demonstrates that buying
somewhat faster CF makes some difference in this model, especially
if you shoot raw.

Brian

Raw will take about 4 seconds to write and display (too long).

Thanks.

Mark

Thanks for the response. What type of card are you using (speed)?
Do you have this experience when using the card that came with the
camera (presumably a pretty slow, cheapo card). The delay is quite
significant for me and I'd love to identify the cause.

Are you saying in record mode that the picture is almost
immediatelty displayed (a second or less)? I'd like to understand
what "I don't find any delays" means.

--
Regards,
Brian Cerveny