FF vs APS-C

Richard, those were exactly my thoughts.

I did wide angle test today and must say Minolta 24-105 stands at FF 24mm/f8 quite well. At this focus distance and aperture it is very sharp. Vigneting is almost not an issue.

JPG from a camera, DR advanced level 3
source (22mb file, remove '-' in the http portion of URL):
ht-tp: www.betini.com/FFvsAPC/FF-24.105-24-8-DR.JPG



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Hertz
 
Same test at wide angle. FOV equal to FF 28mm - 24-105 set to 26mm, 17-70 set to 18mm. This is a landscape test - so apperture bellow f8 does not metter. All at F8.

Minolta 24-105 at it's widest stands very well in FF and in par with 28/f2!

FOV:



center:



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Hertz
 
Hi Richard,

I was going to post some examples but hertz has beat me to it and as you can see the lens performs suprisingly well. To be honest the vignetting is only a problem at the 2 widest apertures and easily corrected in PP. I am a little supprised that Sony discontinued this lens as it performs very well in a lot of areas, much better than a kit lens.
Best regards, Howard
 
Hi,

Pixel peeping vs. printing; always a subject to stoke the fires of opinion. I read your article and, by and large, agree with your conclusions but that does not invalidate hertz's observations, despite the obvious flaws it his test procedure. In short, on a screen the advantages of a FF sensor with a good lens compared to a Crop Sensor with a good lens are fairly obvious and on a print up to 16 x 12", not so obvious, in pure resolution terms.

In fact the whole FF vs. Crop Frame debate seems a little foolish as the advantages and disadvantages of both systems are well known and have been done to death. I use both. I use a Sony A900 (recently purchased) for work and a crop frame DSLR for my hobby. I use the Sony A900 not for the massive resolution but because it has amazing dynamic range and tonal separation, better than any other camera, up to 35mm format, that I have ever used. In fact I truly believe that the A900 would have benefited by using a slight lower resolution sensor, say 18mp. The viewfinder is a complete joy and I always feel a sense of disappointment when returning to a crop frame viewfinder. Not everything is rosy however; the A900's sensor is noisy and if you want to produce jpegs from the camera then you will find them disappointing. You will also need top notch glass to get the best out of the sensor. It is also slightly easier to throw the background out of focus with a FF vs. a Crop Frame camera at a given aperture.

I also use a Pentax K7 and I love its portability and the colour I get from the limited series lenses but if I am brutally honest the results from the A900 are marginally superior and contain more detail but K7 is no slouch. So, I think the idea of, "better" is misplaced and it simply comes down to which set of pros and cons is the best choice for the user.
Best regards, Howard
As an A900 owner, I tend to agree with the above comments. Also, if you look at these DxOMark rankings:

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/eng/DxOMark-Sensor/Camera-rankings

you will see that the full frame cameras are well up the list and the APS-C cameras are further down. For example, the A850 and A900 are ranked 8 and 9, and the A700 is ranked No. 23. Even the new 18mp Canon 7D is down at No. 31, the Sony A550 is No. 27, and the Nikon D300S is No. 19.

Regards
Rob
http://www.robsphotography.co.nz/crop-factor-advantage-s700-s900.html

Analysis of the small "telephoto (pixel density) advantage" that the A700 has when compared with the A850/A900
 
Nordstjernen wrote:
Until now about 50 experienced photographers (advanced amateurs and professionals) have judged the prints closely and carefully. How many was correct? About 50 percent of the asked!

http://forums.dpreview.com/...forums/read.asp?forum=1003&message=31269570

We know that in a lot of circumstances there is no actual differences (when printed) in the images that can be taken with APSC and FF. Really makes you wonder if Sony comes out with the new A7XX with 14 or 16 MP and a few more advanced features that FF really may be unnecessary for most advanced hobbyist.

I have this idea in the back of my head for something that might benefit from the higher resolution of FF on some big landscape stuff but even this might be done better by stitching since it would be a static scene.

Anyway thanks for posting this. As always your posts are either great photos or good information.

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tom power
 
Many thanks for posting the additional full size samples! The images do soften a little towards the edges, but overall the quality was better than I had expected. I haven't decided if I want to go FF yet, but I think the 24-105 will make a good starting point.
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Richard B.
http://www.pbase.com/richard_b
 

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