F717: 3 Flat Field Macros

They might be quiet about posting here Rich, but they are reading,
my stats tell me that :-)).

Be looking forward to your post Norman, should be very interesting.
Hello Danny, Mike, ZipperZ, Babe, and others

(Danny- Yes, its either NRich or Norman, your preference, either one is Ok.)

Alright then, I did a brief intuitive comparison in the store between the 500D and the MCON 35 macro lens attachment.

I was allowed to set up a tripod on the counter, for approximately 30 minutes, change from one lens to the other. I have thought seriously about posting comparitive images, and have decided not to go that route. I am wary of "scientific appearing "tests", I prefer serious comparitives to be done by independant professional reviewers, who post a battery of tests under contolled conditions.

Instead I am posting one coin image only- processed to my preference- of the lens I choose and explained my subjective reasons for doing so. In the future I will follow up with images in the field, where the qualities of what the len chosen is more expressively evident.

I encourage those seriously interested in a macro attachment to undergo a simular process and arrive at their own conclusions. The benefit of doing this is the unique confidence breed of first hand, experience. My conclusion bucks the trend. I thought they might appear the same or indistinquishable, they were not, I discovered perceptable differences as matched with the F717.

My preference, decisively is for the Olympus MCON35 over the Canon 500D. Here is what I found- and one might use it as a guide in areas to look for.

The Olympus MCON 35 is physically larger, heavier, and notablely more substantial on handling on first inspection. Personally I like this.

The MCON 35 has a greater factor of magnification. Evident, looking through the two lens side by side. Both give better working distance to the subject, than without a macro attachment.

There is is a noticeable deeper, richer pool of multicoating to the MCON 35 lens. This is evident just by looking into the two lens.You will need a step up ring to use the MCON 35.This is not a problem for me.

I detected a very slight green cast to the Canon 500D. This was detected looking through the lens at a color test refence 35mm slide, placed just above a light table.

The MCON 35 would appear to gather a little more light.

In Summary, If one were to hold the two lens over an object, as if a magnifying glass, my guess would be that 9 out of 10 would instictively prefer the MCON 35 over the Canon 500D. It is obvious enough, the staff and I had a little smile, whats not to chose. Not that the Canon500D it not a good lens, it is. The Olympus MCON 35 justs stands out, that much more, at least to me.

I have not included the single element Nikon macro filter in this comparison. I narrowed my choice among the leading two element macro attachments. The price: $125 for the Canon- $ 145 for the Olympus ( Canadian Dollars). There are other cheaper macro filters available at a fraction of the price, but I ask myself, why degrade the fine Carl Zeiss lens, when the reative cost difference is so small, especially if one is at all serious about macro close-ups.

When I returned to download the two sets of store samples, the intial impressions were further confirmed in favor of the MCON 35. No 500D sample was not quite as sharp as the MCON 35, the MCON samples at the same exposure showed slighly more snap and saturation - I will not be bringing the MCON 35 back - for me its a keeper. I find it ironic the MCON lens (and this series) is so rarely mentioned, yet matches well with the 7x7 series, in my opinion it deserves better.

I recomend handling and testing these two fine lens for yourself. One can't do better than know find hand, find out for oneself what attachment will further kindle their macro close-up inspirations.

NRich
http://www.pbase.com/norman

 
Well we can't argue with that Norman. Fine, clear, crisp and plenty of details.

Next question :-)) Could you post up the same coin but taken with just the macro setting on the 717. I would like to see what the difference in ratio is. Could be interesting to see the difference with an image filling the screen as this one is.

All the best Norman and I would say you will be happy with the result's if this is an example. Great stuff !!!.

Danny.

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Macro, what a world.
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http://www.macrophotos.com
 
thank you for taking the trouble to compare both the lenses and to share with us your thoughts on them.

I have had no opportunity to hold or to look at either lens myself but then again, I am the type to read and read first before I go and see/experiment and feel it for myself. Personally, I like stuff without even going into the finer, technical details, solidly built with a reasonable weight to it. It's just reassuring.

In three weeks, I will be putting all that I've researched on this forum and other sources to use when I make my purchase so I am very grateful for all the help, tips, opinions, comparisons that others have done that I could tap into on what's out there and the real, endusers' experiences with them. My buy list include :

Digital Camera (F717, am just going to peek into the new Sigma with the Faveon chip)
Macro lens (considering MCON, Nikon, Canon)
Teleconverter (considering, Sony, Vitacon, B300)
Various Filters
Monopod (if I find out sturdy enough for uneven ground)
Remote shutter release
Extra batteries
Camera Backpack

Above will my birthday pressie to myself. Once again thanks for doing some leg work.
 
what's the difference between the MCON 35 and MCON40. I tried looking up in Olympus website but found nothing on it. Wonder where else I can look.
 
... I've seen some nice
pictures of real closeups taken with a close up lens attached
behind even a teleconverter for that much more flexibility in
distance. What are your thoughts on this and what are you using
when you're out taking macro closeups?
Many unlikely lenses can be quite effective for true macro work, and I'd say Danny's (nzmacro) advice sums it up -- you need to experiment, and to feel free about doing so. A 50 mm lens, reversed, in front of your existing one sems to be a popular starting point, although if you've followed this entire thread you'll have found he's had some of his best results from a high quality 70–210 zoom used as a supplementary lens. If you haven't been to his site yet it's worth a visit:
http://www.nzmacro.50megs.com

As to my own ideas, well all that's gone out of the window as I'm just starting over with digital. All I've used for many years has been extension tubes behind a 35–70 or 75–150 mm Zuiko zoom on my Olympus OM-2n. Quite good results, but you always lose a little bit with tubes or bellows. I probably should have gone looking for a purpose built macro lens for this a long time ago, but by the time my need for closeup and macro work had become significant, it had got to the stage where there seemed little point in ploughing further money into that system.

I became rather hooked on the extra camera-to-subject range that the longer zoom afforded me, and the DiMAGE 7 had immediate appeal because its design would have let me work the same way, but I finally turned away from it for other reasons.

I guess I've an interesting time ahead experimenting and finding the most useful combinations to go with my CP5700. Tracking down high quality achromatic (typically dual element) close-up lenses that will match it is my first priority. I find the spherical and chromatic aberrations produced by low grade CU lenses intensely irritating. The MCON-35, as it shows up here in Norman's latest sample, looks very good indeed.

Mike
 
thank you for taking the trouble to compare both the lenses and to
share with us your thoughts on them.
My buy list include :
Digital Camera (F717, am just going to peek into the new Sigma with
the Faveon chip)
Macro lens (considering MCON, Nikon, Canon)
Teleconverter (considering, Sony, Vitacon, B300)
Here I would add the TCON 14B to your short list. It may not offer quite as muchtelephoto, but I feel its the reference, in its class. downside heavier- exceptional light gathering properties, deep pool of multicoatings, no visible light or saturation, very sharp edge to edge, with more zoom range than the B300.
Various Filters
Monopod (if I find out sturdy enough for uneven ground)
Remote shutter release
Extra batteries- (implies an additional 2.)
You are rarely likely to use more than 2 M series batteries,(I haven't in over a year the F7x7 series sets the reference for battery endurance. Consider taking the moneysaved and rounding out your lens attachmemts with a wide angle-I use, and am fond of the WCON 08B.
Camera Backpack
I use the Pelican 1400 professional hardcase. Waterproof, andd shook proof (while equipment is in the case.) Down side- as with the Olympus pro lens-originally designed for their E-20, Heavier than a camera bag, upside: superior protection. A lot of this boils down to weighing priorites, and issues of whats best suited.
Above will my birthday pressie to myself. Once again thanks for
doing some leg work.
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NRich
http://www.pbase.com/norman

 
Here I would add the TCON 14B to your short list. It may not offer
quite as muchtelephoto, but I feel its the reference, in its class.
downside heavier- exceptional light gathering properties, deep pool
of multicoatings, no visible light or saturation, very sharp edge
to edge, with more zoom range than the B300.
Thanks, I did read up a little on the TCON 14B recently. Quite nice but also pricey. It appears for B300 discontinued as it is, there seems to be a quite a following. I may have the opportunity to buy a secondhand one B300 i.e. for a very reasonable price 50Euros so I might just pick it up depending on its condition.
Various Filters
Monopod (if I find out sturdy enough for uneven ground)
Remote shutter release

Extra batteries- (implies an additional 2.) This is a leftover effect from my F505 - I cannot express myself here politely enough about the batteries I have for that camera and Sony's blatant ignoring of the problems associated with it. So I am sort of paranoid here, nice to know I won't have that problem with the 717.
You are rarely likely to use more than 2 M series batteries,(I
haven't in over a year the F7x7 series sets the reference for
battery endurance. Consider taking the moneysaved and rounding
out your lens attachmemts with a wide angle-I use, and am fond of

the WCON 08B. Norman, you seem fond of the Olympus range and I am sure you have very good reasons to be. I never thought of a wide angle yet to add although I like landscape photography maybe because I already have a wide angle with my Nikon FE2 SLR. Besides with digital, I can do pano stitching .... when I eventually get round to it.
Camera Backpack
I use the Pelican 1400 professional hardcase. Waterproof, andd
shook proof (while equipment is in the case.) Down side- as with
the Olympus pro lens-originally designed for their E-20, Heavier
than a camera bag, upside: superior protection. A lot of this boils
down to weighing priorites, and issues of whats best suited.
Now here I have a problem with weight issues. I need to shrug off any extra weight I can. I'm small (1.57/52kgs), like to hike up the Black Forest and rollerblade in Summer. Can't afford anything that's going to pull me down. So here I am in a quandary, extremely good protection vs mobility.

I am not going to really pursue a monopod because more likely than not, I be doing more outdoor shots on more uneven ground. I have to look a little harder on something that will be stable but light and compact.

Have a nice weekend.
 
Well we can't argue with that Norman. Fine, clear, crisp and plenty
of details.
All the best Norman and I would say you will be happy with the
result's if this is an example. Great stuff !!!.

Danny.

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Macro, what a world.
.............................
http://www.macrophotos.com
Hi Danny.

Thank you for your kind comment in my pbase Galleries. I entirely agree with you, It the eye that does the seeing, the camera's there for the click. Again I recomend those who are just coming into this thread to visit your marco galleries for which you have specialized, and are something special.

Pondria has a special affection for ducks he has fondly refered to ducks in their world as "Ducks wonderland", and so it is with you and your "macro wonderlands." Though your fine images have made my wife (a New Zealander) a little home sick. I am in my element here on the West Coast of Canada.

Gotta tell you I love this MCON35 macro, I'm posting for you, Mike,Babe and ZipperZ-those who have joined in on this thread - one of the first outdoor field use MCON macros of this autumn fern.- I'm quite pleased with it. Heading out now to shoot some more.Lets Keep in touch.

Regards
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NRich
http://www.pbase.com/norman

 
Well let's talk away from macro for a moment. This fern shot shows more about the eye of the photographer than it does about macro. The composition is brilliant. The lighting or placement for the lighting shows this off very well. It's the way the shades fade away that appeals, towards the bottom right. Also the natural fading is superb.

Once again, sharp clear and crisp.. Showing great detail in this Norman, impressive shot.

Say hi to your wife, I'm in Wellington and just about to go into summer here. Really looking forward to. If you ever get a chance down here, pop in and say hello :-)), anytime.

All the best Norman and post up the new shot's as a new thread to break up some of these 717 complaint's will ya ;-)).

Danny.

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Macro, what a world.
.............................
http://www.macrophotos.com
 
Thankyou for your lovely autumn fern. I like nature's subdued colors and the camera captured it beautifully. I just have one tiny inclination. As I opened this thread, a part of the picture popped up excluding the tip of the fern. I liked it more like that instead of the whole picture. I only saw nature's play of colors and patterns, somehow it made it more intriguing rather than the whole picture. Just my humble opinion.
 
NRich,

First of all I'd like to say ur gallery is simply stunning.. clearly demonstrates that the person behind the camera is more important than the camera itself. However.. i'd like to ask about this pic:

http://www.pbase.com/image/6350835

Has there been any post processing done to it? It's the only full res pic i could find of the 717 and the pic looks like it's been heavily compressed or something (noise like but not quite noise). Just curious.

Thanks.

T
 
what's the difference between the MCON 35 and MCON40. I tried
looking up in Olympus website but found nothing on it. Wonder
where else I can look.
The MCON -40 is designed for their smaller 4040, and previous model series, a smaller lens and thread diameter-a camera more comparable to the Sony S75 - S85. The MCON-40 may not be of the same spec standards as the MCON 35, as the MCON-35 macro was designed for the Olympus flag ship pro digital camera, the E10 and E20.

I now use the MCON-35 as a reference quality macro attachment, a fine match for the Sony F7x7 series.

NRich
http://www.pbase.com/norman
 
Babe, I'm not really sure what you're trying to achieve with a monopod, in terms of your reference to uneven ground. If you're looking for one which you can also use for support and balance (like a walking stick) when clambering over difficult terrain, then I understand such monopods do exist but I am unable to recommend one.

Monopods can be good for populated areas where a tripod is not permitted or would take up too much space, but I would have thought that a lightweight tripod would serve you better for the purpose you describe.

You might do well to look at the Velbon 343E tripod. It's aluminium but as light as carbon fibre, and its design was virtually commissioned by an independent professional photographer. Again, I've no personal experience of this, but it seems to be very well regarded by people who should know. http://bermangraphics.com/coolpix/velbon.htm

Mike
Now here I have a problem with weight issues. I need to shrug off
any extra weight I can. I'm small (1.57/52kgs), like to hike up
the Black Forest and rollerblade in Summer. Can't afford anything
that's going to pull me down. So here I am in a quandary,
extremely good protection vs mobility.

I am not going to really pursue a monopod because more likely than
not, I be doing more outdoor shots on more uneven ground. I have
to look a little harder on something that will be stable but light
and compact.
 
Monopods can be good for populated areas where a tripod is not
permitted or would take up too much space, but I would have thought
that a lightweight tripod would serve you better for the purpose
you describe.

You might do well to look at the Velbon 343E tripod.
Mike
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Mike,

Good point

The support of a tripod far exceeds that of a monopod, if you wish to retain the image quality of 100 asa, you be down ro 1/5 of a second and slower. As I came from Kodachrome 25, it like pulling teeth to get me to use 200 asa or Auto.

My alternate tripod from my bigger Manfrotto is the wonderfully light, and very compact Cullman Magic 2 tripod made in Germany, I use it in combination to a Leitz ball head- high prescion, fast operating and light with a quick release. The down side:its expensive but then you'll only buy it once. I've had mine over 25 years.

The Leitz head, in its simplicity is built to last many lifetimes.The magic 2 tripod also has the capacity to convert one of its legs into a monopod- it screws into the ceter post.a far preferable arrangement to a monopod only, in my opinion.

NRich
http://www.pbase.com/norman
 

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