EM1 / GX7 Who will upgrade to a bit better sensor ? (explain why if you want) Poll.

[Bob Meyer]

Aleo Veuliah wrote:

Olympus claimed one EVF and Panasonic Lumix the same I think.

And marketers NEVER, EVER, exaggerate, do they?

 

[Bob Meyer]

SDPharm wrote:

The real reasons you want the new camera are, 1) you have the money burning a hole in your pocket, 2) you have to have the latest toy.

+1

Sometimes it's nice to have money.

 

[misolo]

I'm sticking to the rule of skipping at least one generation of technology between camera upgrades. My GF1 took fantastic pictures 4 years ago, and is still taking fantastic pictures now. If the GX7 is confirmed to be a substantial improvement in sensor performance (high-ISO noise and low-ISO dynamic range), I may buy it, though the sensor would only be part of the reason: the form factor is a motivation as well.

 

[Bob Meyer]

Clayton Jones wrote:
Looking at the Image Quality page of the E-M1 preview where the GX7 image is shown along with the E-M1 and E-M5, the GX7 image looks less sharp than the others. Of course, that could be caused by the lens, but at this point I'm not convinced the GX7 sensor is all that good. I'll look forward to the full reviews.
In addition, the E-M5 image looks sharper than the E-M1. Could these be lens or focus issues?

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Those differences are pretty much only visible at huge enlargement levels, viewed close up. On prints or monitors viewed at normal distances you'd never be able to see those differences in sharpness.

And, as you suggest, DPR doesn't always seem to do a very good job of holding the focus point on these comparisons. That's why I pay more heed to sites like Luminous Landscape, which judge image quality doing what these cameras are designed to do: making photographs.

 

[Paul De Bra]

OK, I have not exactly lived up to this in the past, upgrading more like every 4 years than every 5 years, but replacing a camera earlier makes little sense as improvements are small and incremental.

Lenses can be another thing. Since I got my E-M5 I've been waiting for a sharp fast zoom lens and it looks like finally one is coming with the 12-40. On my previous camera, the Canon 450D, I had the magnificent 17-55 IS f/2.8 and there was nothing like it for the E-M5, but the 12-40 looks like it will not only match but even surpass that lens. The m43 lens collection is still being significantly expanded. The cameras simply get a little bit better with every generation, so I'll wait another 4 years or so.

 

[Pete Touhey]

I'm not upgrading so much for the better sensor, though it's significantly better than my E-P3 and E620, I'm upgrading primarily for a combination of features, namely weather sealing, improved performance of 4/3 lenses, wi-fi features, build quality and a bit better sensor. My Pen works fine for a street camera, I want something more rugged for outdoors with bigger lenses, while at the same time not breaking my back carrying around all day.

 

[Bob Meyer]

Franka T.L. wrote:

The key motto here is that delivering of image quality along all the more common shooting environment. So the figure really do not tell the whole story. So yes while the figure might said 12.5 stop of DR, what it do not said is how that DR drop between using base ISO vs using say ISO 400, 800 or how its real ISO. For that I do thank DxO cause their test result do allow me to dig into the data better and allow me to made some better info from the test.

 

[Bob Meyer]

I think we all know it's not just a sensor upgrade, but that's not the question that was asked.

 

[sabad]

My G3 is due for an upgrade I guess and can't decide just yet. I have the 20mm f/1.7 and 100-300mm. I have stopped spending on lenses and investment in the system, I am waiting to see some more review on GX7 and Nex-FF.

 

[Aleo Veuliah]

Jeff Tokayer wrote:

Who has already preordered their GX7 or E-M1?

 

[Olymore]

I'm going to buy the E-M1 for features like improved weather sealing/freeze proof, ability to use four thirds lenses and better viewfinder.
Any sensor improvement is a bonus and not the primary reason for buying the camera.

 

[Aleo Veuliah]

Bob Meyer wrote:

The GX7 might get my money one day, but not because of the sensor. Any differences between the GX7, GH3, EM-1 and EM-5 sensors are trivial (ignoring the PDAF pixels). The GX7 offers a form factor that no other m43 camera does, and that's why I might buy it, once the prices come down. For a walk-around camera, it's more convenient than my GH3, and OM-D (either model), or an EP-5 with an EVF.

I'm not convinced it's any better a walk-around camera than my G3, though. Only in a few situations would the improvement in sensor be noticeable.

For my needs, the EM-1 offers no benefit over my GH3.

Yes, difference is minor, that is why I posted this. The EVF on the GX7 is one of the good arguments for choose it, like the camera form.

 

[Aleo Veuliah]

misolo wrote:

I'm sticking to the rule of skipping at least one generation of technology between camera upgrades. My GF1 took fantastic pictures 4 years ago, and is still taking fantastic pictures now. If the GX7 is confirmed to be a substantial improvement in sensor performance (high-ISO noise and low-ISO dynamic range), I may buy it, though the sensor would only be part of the reason: the form factor is a motivation as well.

I am still happy with my GF1 and G2, but it comes a time that a good upgrade is needed.

I also like the form of the GX7, it is not only for the sensor.

 

[Aleo Veuliah]

Pete Touhey wrote:

I'm not upgrading so much for the better sensor, though it's significantly better than my E-P3 and E620, I'm upgrading primarily for a combination of features, namely weather sealing, improved performance of 4/3 lenses, wi-fi features, build quality and a bit better sensor. My Pen works fine for a street camera, I want something more rugged for outdoors with bigger lenses, while at the same time not breaking my back carrying around all day.

Thanks for the opinion and vote.

 

[Art_P]

Where I find the sensor good enough. I wouldn't be looking to upgrade for a new sensor

Now the dual mode AF is of interest (OK, that's partially sensor based)

But when I go for the E-M1, it will be for the improved control layout, advanced features and built in grip... And the reduced price, since I'll wait until it goes on sale

 

[MichaelKJ]

Art_P wrote:

Where I find the sensor good enough. I wouldn't be looking to upgrade for a new sensor

Now the dual mode AF is of interest (OK, that's partially sensor based)

But when I go for the E-M1, it will be for the improved control layout, advanced features and built in grip... And the reduced price, since I'll wait until it goes on sale

I'm thinking the same thing, although I don't see the price coming down for at least a year. And, depending on when the E-M6 is released, holding off for now could give me two Olympus upgrade options.

 

[lambert4]

Offerings were great cameras, are great cameras. Gh3/gx1/em5 epl epm the list goes on...the latest batch is exceptional still but too much too soon for my liking, seems the manufacturers either had an a epiphany in their latest generation or handcuffed the previous. either way my envy of the newest batch is diminished by the great image improvement I saw with my last purchase and the encouraging images I see on this and other sites proving I am the cameras biggest weakness to date.

 

[Aleo Veuliah]

lambert4 wrote:

Offerings were great cameras, are great cameras. Gh3/gx1/em5 epl epm the list goes on...the latest batch is exceptional still but too much too soon for my liking, seems the manufacturers either had an a epiphany in their latest generation or handcuffed the previous. either way my envy of the newest batch is diminished by the great image improvement I saw with my last purchase and the encouraging images I see on this and other sites proving I am the cameras biggest weakness to date.

 

[leendertcv]

I have the Panasonic G3.

Its only 2,5 years old!

I'll wait for the next generation.

But the Gx7 seems like an amazing camera!

 

[Aleo Veuliah]

leendertcv wrote:

I have the Panasonic G3.

Its only 2,5 years old!

I'll wait for the next generation.

But the Gx7 seems like an amazing camera!

I still have the GF1 and G2. But now with these new cameras I might really think on upgrading.