Dual processor system users

[Owen West63214]

The way I like to do this sort of thing is by buying 2 512mb sticks now, and later when the 1 GIG sticks are cheap (which always happens) I'll get 2 of them.

Ron

The single CPU ABIT mb I like w/ the VIA KT266A chipset requires
Registered DDR RAM if you want the maximum memory capacity of 4
GIG, so I'll use registered

For dual-head use in a 2D-only situation with Photoshop as the
primary application, the Matrox is a good choice.

Ron Reznick
http://digital-images.net
http://trapagon.com

Which graphics card do you recomend for primarily Photoshop use
that also supports dual monitors? I only know of several to begin
with.
ATI has a few, Matrox has a few, and there's an Elsa that supports
two monitors.

As for dual Athlon CPU's vs single, I wonder if the
price/performance is worth it dual, considering the performance
improvement gained with the hottest single CPU chipset for Athlon,
the 266A chipset. I also like the new ABIT mb w/ 266A chipset that
supports IDE RAID at the new 133 speed. (and faster memory) than
the Tiger dual.

What do you think.

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[Lane Veillon]

Well I guess this goes to show how good it is to live in the USA where you can argue about things like this! I don't really want to pursue this debate any further than it has already gone. I am curious how AMD has BEEN ahead or even would be considerd to be current and even Lead in graphics. When someone says the word/term graphics it seems to cover everything from games to 2D photo editing to full stream video production! Those 3 that I just mention require a totally different setup than the other! Not saying that either of the 3 would do the work, but to streamline a system to do a specific function. The only two that would be similar would be the gaming and the video editing system. Yes in this case I would say the AMD would win in a dual processor setup especially because no P4 opponent is currently available. A dual processor system in my mind and many many others is not within a dual PC environment. Maybe when Photoshop allows users to take advantage of this yes...Do you offer or ever build any systems for Photoshop users only? No way would dual processors be able to do any better at anything in Photoshop. Unless you want to work in Photoshop and maybe import files into another program at the same time! The following was snipped from Roy's original post:

Will be used in my Studio business. Will have much Photoshop and graphics usage.

Now...I am a photographer that builds these systems in my off season...I build them only to what works best for Photoshop and other programs under Photoshop. People ask me what I have...What I like...I give them my answer...I don't give them the long disertation of why! More than 90% of them wouldn't care! They want a box that is fast and works day in and day out. AMD couldn't provide that for me...Intel has therefore I pick Intel. Now if AMD gets things more consitant then I may venture that way. Actually I have a new G4 Dual 800 that I got at a hell of a discount I believe it actually slightly out performs my current system and it is only using one processor when in Photoshop. I'll be amazed when Adobe gets it to work in native. I"ll always have a dual platform system because not everyone here is comfortable with Apple.

Wow! One hell of a debate...I think it was over a long time ago anyway...Roy decided to purchase AMD processors and go dual...Maybe you can offer better assistance to him than I could. You obviously have more skill with AMD than I do! Good Luck!
Lane

It is fairly expensive though, and it is not for everyone simply
because of cost. Most clients really do need another reason besides
the above to go that route -- if there is any CAD or 3D work to be
done with the system then it makes a lot more sense.

Ron

Also this statement below is a little backwards...I believe Intel
is the one that has always had a 6 month distance from AMD it will
be next year(Mid) before AMD moves to their next/best processor. I
just wonder if all the current XP boards will be able to handle the
new processors. My hat is off to AMD for putting out great
competition to Intel. We need that in the PC world!

Another thing that puzzles me is a couple of local PC stores offer
trade-in's on boards and processors...In the stacks of boards they
have 90% of them are AMD boards! Just a snip I heard the manager
say yesterday

Have fun! I am!
Lane

AMD seems to come out and do things a little bit better - albeit, a little bit later.

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[Andrew Pietrzyk]

so far I have not had a need to use 1GB modules
as they are not cost-effective for my clients' needs. That is a
heck of a lot of RAM, by the way.

Ron

It sure is but I remember this being said about 128Mb modules not to long ago

The reason I asked is I have yet to hear from anybody successfully installing more than 1.5 Gb of RAM on this board and also that using four DIMM slots could be problematic.

I was able to fit 1x512 Corsair (Nanya chip) and 2x256 Crucial (Micron chip) (all registered) despite warnings not to use mixed brand of memory.

Andrew

 

[Andrew Pietrzyk]

Where is a good on-line place to get these chips in the 512 version?

Check here Roy,

http://www.corsairmicro.com/main/howtobuy.htm

I don’t know where you are but Fry’s Electronics also sells Corsair’s memory if you have one near by. Make sure you get registered modules for MP board.

Andrew

 

[Ron Reznick]

Did you try NeutronUSA.com? If they don't have them, try an internet search (that's what I do).

Ron

Thanks to All
Roy

http://www.tyan.com/support/html/pc2100_tg_mp.html

The RAM modules I've been using on the Tyan MP are Corsair 512MB
with Nanya chips -- so far I have not had a need to use 1GB modules
as they are not cost-effective for my clients' needs. That is a
heck of a lot of RAM, by the way.

Ron

YOu can use up to 3GB on that board

Ron,

Have you been able to put 3Gb on this board? If so I would be very
interested which modules/chips work? Are you using Thunder K7 or
Tiger MP boards?

I’ve just built one of those monsters too. Tiger MP board, 2x
MP 1500+, 1Gb RAM, runs like a dream but I want little more RAM. I
know getting all four memory slots populated can be tricky and Tyan
only lists three 512 modules that can do this (Two have the same
Samsung chip and one Nanya). Have you had any luck with 1Gb modules?

Andrew

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[Ron Reznick]

I'm sure you're doing just fine, James :^)

Ron

Just a poor old southern country boy trying to get by...

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[Ron Reznick]

Lane, I have built a large number of Athlon systems for graphics work -- for CAD, 3D, and Photoshop use as well as for users who also use vector programs and DTP along with office programs. Many people who use CAD or 3D also edit renderings in Photoshop, and of course there are a lot of people who spend much of their time in Pshop alone. Photoshop works just fine in a dual-CPU environment. I build about 90% of the systems as single-CPU, you know... I'm not saying that a dual is always the way to go -- it isn't. As far as getting AMD systems to work in a stable fashion, it is really not at all a problem. I often find that my personal workstation is up for a month without a reboot unless I install something -- although I occasionally have to do a log-off/log-on when the DSL crashes.

Intel CPUs work fine too, but performance is not up to that of the Athlon, and hasn't been since the Athlon was released. This has been tested out a number of times in all sorts of environments -- there are some applications where the Intel CPU is slightly faster, but the vast majority of cases show the opposite result. Considering the cost, performance and stability, based on a large number of working systems in the field, some of which are in use 24/7 and stressed heavily, I have to say that there is no caveat against AMD.

Configuration of a system for multiple applications is a little trickier than a single-application system, but I have systems in the field that do professional video editing, 3D creation and editing, and Photoshop work all with a single system, and others that do Architectural CAD and 3D rendering as well as Photoshop work -- and all very, very well. Personally, I do CAD, vector, 3D, Photoshop/PhotoPaint, DTP and other work all on one system, and all quite well if I do say so myself...

I also am a photographer, as you may know, and I am also a graphics designer doing several types of work. I am quite picky and have little patience for a system that is causing trouble. If the AMD systems did not do the job, I would not use them. If they caused problems for me or for my clients, it would cost very valuable working time, and I would not use them. That is, after all, the bottom line.

Ron Reznick
http://trapagon.com
http://digital-images.net

Well I guess this goes to show how good it is to live in the USA
where you can argue about things like this! I don't really want to
pursue this debate any further than it has already gone. I am
curious how AMD has BEEN ahead or even would be considerd to be
current and even Lead in graphics. When someone says the word/term
graphics it seems to cover everything from games to 2D photo
editing to full stream video production! Those 3 that I just
mention require a totally different setup than the other! Not
saying that either of the 3 would do the work, but to streamline a
system to do a specific function. The only two that would be
similar would be the gaming and the video editing system. Yes in
this case I would say the AMD would win in a dual processor setup
especially because no P4 opponent is currently available. A dual
processor system in my mind and many many others is not within a
dual PC environment. Maybe when Photoshop allows users to take
advantage of this yes...Do you offer or ever build any systems for
Photoshop users only? No way would dual processors be able to do
any better at anything in Photoshop. Unless you want to work in
Photoshop and maybe import files into another program at the same
time! The following was snipped from Roy's original post:

Will be used in my Studio business. Will have much Photoshop and
graphics usage.

Now...I am a photographer that builds these systems in my off
season...I build them only to what works best for Photoshop and
other programs under Photoshop. People ask me what I have...What I
like...I give them my answer...I don't give them the long
disertation of why! More than 90% of them wouldn't care! They
want a box that is fast and works day in and day out. AMD couldn't
provide that for me...Intel has therefore I pick Intel. Now if AMD
gets things more consitant then I may venture that way. Actually I
have a new G4 Dual 800 that I got at a hell of a discount I
believe it actually slightly out performs my current system and it
is only using one processor when in Photoshop. I'll be amazed when
Adobe gets it to work in native. I"ll always have a dual platform
system because not everyone here is comfortable with Apple.

Wow! One hell of a debate...I think it was over a long time ago
anyway...Roy decided to purchase AMD processors and go dual...Maybe
you can offer better assistance to him than I could. You obviously
have more skill with AMD than I do! Good Luck!
Lane--Ron Reznick http://digital-images.nethttp://trapagon.com

 

[Lane Veillon]

I'm sure I'll try an AMD system again in the near future...Possibly setup a Dual for myself and use it as a server. I'd like to get a firm date on when the P4 Dual boards were coming out! I know won item that kills me everytime I buy it is RDRAM...It's coming down, but not nearly as low as DDR is currently. I buy Mushkin when I can, but $480 for a single 512 RDRAM gets kinda pricey...Nice talking with ya'll!
Lane

Intel CPUs work fine too, but performance is not up to that of the
Athlon, and hasn't been since the Athlon was released. This has
been tested out a number of times in all sorts of environments --
there are some applications where the Intel CPU is slightly faster,
but the vast majority of cases show the opposite result.
Considering the cost, performance and stability, based on a large
number of working systems in the field, some of which are in use
24/7 and stressed heavily, I have to say that there is no caveat
against AMD.

Configuration of a system for multiple applications is a little
trickier than a single-application system, but I have systems in
the field that do professional video editing, 3D creation and
editing, and Photoshop work all with a single system, and others
that do Architectural CAD and 3D rendering as well as Photoshop
work -- and all very, very well. Personally, I do CAD, vector, 3D,
Photoshop/PhotoPaint, DTP and other work all on one system, and all
quite well if I do say so myself...

I also am a photographer, as you may know, and I am also a graphics
designer doing several types of work. I am quite picky and have
little patience for a system that is causing trouble. If the AMD
systems did not do the job, I would not use them. If they caused
problems for me or for my clients, it would cost very valuable
working time, and I would not use them. That is, after all, the
bottom line.

Ron Reznick
http://trapagon.com
http://digital-images.net

Well I guess this goes to show how good it is to live in the USA
where you can argue about things like this! I don't really want to
pursue this debate any further than it has already gone. I am
curious how AMD has BEEN ahead or even would be considerd to be
current and even Lead in graphics. When someone says the word/term
graphics it seems to cover everything from games to 2D photo
editing to full stream video production! Those 3 that I just
mention require a totally different setup than the other! Not
saying that either of the 3 would do the work, but to streamline a
system to do a specific function. The only two that would be
similar would be the gaming and the video editing system. Yes in
this case I would say the AMD would win in a dual processor setup
especially because no P4 opponent is currently available. A dual
processor system in my mind and many many others is not within a
dual PC environment. Maybe when Photoshop allows users to take
advantage of this yes...Do you offer or ever build any systems for
Photoshop users only? No way would dual processors be able to do
any better at anything in Photoshop. Unless you want to work in
Photoshop and maybe import files into another program at the same
time! The following was snipped from Roy's original post:

Will be used in my Studio business. Will have much Photoshop and
graphics usage.

Now...I am a photographer that builds these systems in my off
season...I build them only to what works best for Photoshop and
other programs under Photoshop. People ask me what I have...What I
like...I give them my answer...I don't give them the long
disertation of why! More than 90% of them wouldn't care! They
want a box that is fast and works day in and day out. AMD couldn't
provide that for me...Intel has therefore I pick Intel. Now if AMD
gets things more consitant then I may venture that way. Actually I
have a new G4 Dual 800 that I got at a hell of a discount I
believe it actually slightly out performs my current system and it
is only using one processor when in Photoshop. I'll be amazed when
Adobe gets it to work in native. I"ll always have a dual platform
system because not everyone here is comfortable with Apple.

Wow! One hell of a debate...I think it was over a long time ago
anyway...Roy decided to purchase AMD processors and go dual...Maybe
you can offer better assistance to him than I could. You obviously
have more skill with AMD than I do! Good Luck!
Lane

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Ron Reznick
http://digital-images.net
http://trapagon.com