DSLR with flip up LCD

[xiaoman]

I used to have an Exakta Varex, which had a removable pentaprism
which meant you could use it at waist level - if you had very good
eyesight!

TonySD

So did my old Edixa, and also early Nikon models. Some of these had
hoods and magnifiers for viewing, if you could cope with the
reversed image (just like a Rollei!)

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Bill.

Xiaoman wrote:

Have we forgotten the venerable Canon f-1 (this is a canon forum afterall)the speed finder was invaluable not only for its ability to rotate for shots made at lower angles but was also fantastic when I needed to hold the camera higher in order to shoot over crowds or or adjust the angle higher than my height would allow....it just allowed for more framing possibilities.......... I think that was what the original post might have be concerned with......... I miss the option.

 

[babu]

Roy,

It is a right angle view finder extender. Take a look at

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=183200&is=REG

And with the camera, it looks like this,

http://www.kgcphoto.com/Reviews%20&%20Tutorials/Canon%20Stuff/angle_finder_c.htm

You may find this from your local store.

-rajkumar

Could you please point me to where I could find this device. I
think this woudl be just enough to get me into a DSLR but which
one, D300 or D10?

=Roy=

I guess people have already answered. But if still you would like
to shoot by keeping the camera on the floor, there is a bevel lense
avaible that fits into your viewfinder. And it can be turned to 90
degree up.

-rajkumar

I find that I take nearly half my pcitures from waist level using
the twist features of the cameras. (f717 & f 828). I would go for a
DSLR in a hearbeat, (and get rid of the darn noise), if one would
have an adjustable LCD. Is there some physical reason why this is
not possible or are the DSLR manufacturers simply bound by
tradition?

=Roy=

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[TrapperJohn]

The Olympus E10 and E20 had this feature. Because they used a split prism instead of a mirror for the optical viewfinder, there is an option to use the LCD screen as a viewfinder (CCD isn't covered up, so it can go live), and the LCD does flip out to 90 degrees.

I've used it once or twice, for shots where the camera sat on the ground. It's a nice option, but you don't use it very often.

 

[pbleic]

The Olympus E10 and E20 had this feature. Because they used a split
prism instead of a mirror for the optical viewfinder, there is an
option to use the LCD screen as a viewfinder (CCD isn't covered up,
so it can go live), and the LCD does flip out to 90 degrees.

I've used it once or twice, for shots where the camera sat on the
ground. It's a nice option, but you don't use it very often.

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[lumièreflâneuse]

Now that I think about it, your interpretation of "reflex" makes more sense than mine. The mirror in TLRs don't move, yet they're Twin Lens Reflexes. Thanks!

The Olympus E-20 and E-10 are not true SLRs. SLR=Single Lens
Reflex. The "reflex" part refers to the reflex action of the
mirror in real SLRs, which is not present on either the E-10 or the
E-20.

Please get your facts right before arguing. Th "reflex" refers to
the mirror in the optical path directing light to the viewfinder -
which the E10 and E20 certainly do have!
The main difference is that it is half silvered - a system which
some film SLRs have also used (Canon Pellix, Canon Eos RT), in this
case to reduce shutter lag.

 

[lumièreflâneuse]

I don't think "reflex" refers to the mirror action, as Twin Lens
Reflex cameras don't have a mirror flipping up.

Good point!

 

[PicMax]

This will seriously limit frame rate. It is also not going to work if you need very accurate framing. During the time you send it back to SLR mode and press the shutter, the camera may have moved.

This is also bad in low light situations. Human eye has much better dynamic range and sensitivity in the low light. The CCD/CMOS just stinks in low light situation.

Max

You know, I also don't know why it couldn't just be a mode of an
otherwise dslr camera. I think the first company to do it will get
additional converts from the point and shoot realms - especially
since it would open up the possibility of movies on an slr - think
of the movies you could get with the new D1's performance and a
decent L lens.

All you would need to do is the equivalent of mirror lockup, and
open the shutter curtain. The sensor would then see through the
lens unobstructed just as with an EVF camera (you may want a
secondary clear barrier to protect the sensor from dust). Then,
whenever you switch the camera to EVF or movie mode, it locks the
mirror and opens the shutter curtain to let the light onto the
sensor and meters as per an EVF camera. When you switch back to
SLR mode, the mirror slaps down and the shutter operates as per
normal.

We should run with the idea, what do you think? You and me as
ideas men, and Wasia to write the software Cancel that I guess,
Wasia won't charge for his work, and no matter what percentage of
$0 you take, it's still $0!

It could work though, I'm sure of it (well fairly sure anyway...)

Craig.

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[martin.racer]

I find that I take nearly half my pcitures from waist level using
the twist features of the cameras. (f717 & f 828). I would go for a
DSLR in a hearbeat, (and get rid of the darn noise), if one would
have an adjustable LCD. Is there some physical reason why this is
not possible or are the DSLR manufacturers simply bound by
tradition?

If you want an LCD viewer you will have to go with one of those
pretend DSLR's like the Canon Pro or Nikon, Minolta, and Fuji and
other equivalents.

I use a 10D which is great for most shots ,however I also use a G5 ,with its flip up screen in some uses .I prefer the view finder of the 10D but again it would be even better if it had the same bright viewfinder as my EOS 3.In reality there are just not that many uses for a screen over a viewfinder .Most compacts and "bridge " cameras have poor optical view finders so need a screen ,but a good SLR needs only your eye and its viewfinder ,its over in seconds ,a perfect picture ( we hope) As for that waist shot .,try kneeling .

 

[Taylor]

...there is also a shutter curtain. The DSLR replaces the film
with a sensor. The mirror is raised, the shutter curtain provides
an opening, and the sensor is "exposed" to the light for the
duration of the exposure. It isn't a DSLR without a mirror & a
shutter curtain.

There is absolutely no need for a shutter curtain - shuttering can
be done electronically.
As for the mirror, a prism or half silvered mirror can be used
instead.
It is possible, and has beedn done by Ilympus with the E20 which is
a true SLR.

Bill.

 

[wilfredmrand]

Interesting thought. I think, however, it's either the prism....or the EVF. Not both. This will be partly due to cost (can you imagine the price of a camera with both systems on board?), and will be dependent on technology advancements....especially low-power, high visibility EVF screens, and no-delay shutter response. EVF shares the SLR advantage....the image is through the lens. A real-time histogram on the preview would be a treat, wouldn't it?

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Jun

Jun

From a cost perspective, the SLR mechanism is highly perfected and
almost failsafe from establishd optical camera companies (guess
that excludes Sony), and so is the lens-and-mount system....to say
nothing of optics the 717's and 828's of this world can't match.

Given this choice, I'll take the higher quality of the SLR system
over the convenience of EVF any day. (I AM going to buy my wife an
EVF camera, though.)
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I find that I take nearly half my pcitures from waist level using
the twist features of the cameras. (f717 & f 828). I would go for a
DSLR in a hearbeat, (and get rid of the darn noise), if one would
have an adjustable LCD. Is there some physical reason why this is
not possible or are the DSLR manufacturers simply bound by
tradition?

=Roy=

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[Dave Lewis]

The Olympus E-10/E-20 is a "true" SLR, and has this very feature.
It is an example of a pellicle camera (see my posts above), much
like some earlier EOS cameras. It certainly has some advantages
and disadvantages. However, live LCD and digital SLR can go
together.

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Paul

Yep and one that I had totally overlooked. Thanks for the clarification.

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Dave Lewis

 

[Dave Lewis]

Dave,

If these cameras you mention have a nosie performance approaching
the D300 could you please give me a few model numbers to look at.
Thanks a lot.

I lvoe the funcionality of the F828 but the noise is killing me.
All my work is low light and people.

=Roy=

Oh, I don't think they do, Roy.
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Dave Lewis

 

[Roy Ehman]

Thanks Dave,

This thread has cleared things up for me a lot. When the new models are announced or become available, if there is no obvious solution, I will get a DSLR, (D300/D10) with fast lens, at least f2.8, probably the sigma 28-75 @$349 and keep the Sony f717 for those waist, (and lower), shots.

All the 8 MP prosumer cameras have uncceptable noise. Why the heck could'nt Sony stay at 5 or 6 Mpx? Most of us don't need 8MP.

Thanks for your insights

=Roy=

Dave,

If these cameras you mention have a nosie performance approaching
the D300 could you please give me a few model numbers to look at.
Thanks a lot.

I lvoe the funcionality of the F828 but the noise is killing me.
All my work is low light and people.

=Roy=

Oh, I don't think they do, Roy.
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Dave Lewis

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=Roy=

 

[PC Wheeler]

I find that I take nearly half my pcitures from waist level using
the twist features of the cameras. (f717 & f 828). I would go for a
DSLR in a hearbeat, (and get rid of the darn noise), if one would
have an adjustable LCD. Is there some physical reason why this is
not possible

Not possible per previous msg.

But a gadget like the viewfinder right angle adapter in the photo here:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=9161619

might do the job. Note that the camera is a 10D not a Rebel, and there may not (or may) be such an accessory for the 300D.

Phil