DSLR or Mirrorless

[dv0110]

Enjoy your D5300, it's not that big and can take some great photos. Not to mention it's better than most mirrorless cameras currently on the market.

 

[tedolf]

Ok, so I was set on a DSLR and now I'm not to sure. I already ordered a Nikon 5300, but I can return it. Hasn't even shipped yet. Therefore I'm not invested in anything and a complete noob. I wanted to use my camera as a hobby, but maybe later on sell some photos on etsy or something. I usually tend to take pictures with my iphone and now I want something that will be a bit more professional. I've actually been able to sell some iphone shots online so photography has got me interested in it as a way to make some money on the side. I tend to shoot nature, structures, and people who happen to be on the scene. No sports shooting or trying to capture kids/animals as of yet at least. I want what will be best going forward and what will help me advance and learn photography at its full scale. I've been reading mirrorless are practically on the same playing field and will soon edge out the DSLR, but don't believe everything you read right? So this is where I'd like a little help in which direction I should head.

The mirrorless segment has been badly overhyped. Mirrorless cameras are a dime a dozen and tend to go on clearance for a fraction of their original price.

Good think, huh?

Some will survive, but rest assured that a number of fairly recent mirrorless lens mounts will disappear in the next few years.

Which ones?

Prepare to be saddled with an orphan.

As far as your D5300, you'll be limited by a fairly small and dim viewfinder, not to mention limited manual controls. A D7000 or D7100 is a better camera in an absolute sense, as you don't have to routinely consult menus to change setting, just turn a dial. The big, bright viewfinder is also a joy to use, unlike the smaller consumer models.

Tedolph

There have been 9 new mirrorless lens mounts since 2008. Of those, one is already effectively dead, and at best 4 or 5 will survive another 5 years. My guess is that with the decline of the camera industry, we'll be seeing a number of manufacturers outright disappear. Actually, there are two that would have disappeared if larger companies hadn't intervened financially.

Which ones?

Yes, which ones.

How long are you going to avoid answering?

UMM, I am not Noflashplease

What!

Your're not?

Pentax tried a mirrorless but used the K mount

Doesn't count. That mount was abandoned years ago. You said, "a number of fairly recent mirrorless lens mounts will disappear in the next few years."

No I didn't, HE (Noflashplease) did.

Why didn't anybody tell me!

That is in the future tense.

So how about it, again, which ones?!

...not a new mount and that is part of the reason it was not so well received I think.

Blah, blah blah.

Which ones?!

Q mount is a fun little thing that seems to have been mainly aimed at the Japanese market ( a fun little thing, was one of my favourites).

Is that one of them?

C'mon........don't keep us in suspense.

You said with such certainty that, "a number of fairly recent mirrorless lens mounts will disappear in the next few years" that surely you must know which ones they are, right?

Well?

Nikon and Canon have not thrown all their resources into mirrorless yet (the 1 and M mounts may well have just been testing the waters) .....I think they will shortly come up with a lot more though.

Blah, blah, blah.

WHICH ONES!?

Fuji seems to be going ok, same with Sony E mount (both FF and APSC), same with M4/3 mount.

So it's not Sony,

it's not M4/3,

it's......it's......

Well which one is it!

Samsung seems to be just starting and may do best of all. Leica is Leica and will sell what it wants.

So it's not Leica, it's not Samsung.....

it's......it's......

Well which one is it?

No DSLRs have gone away though hey........Fuji, Kodak, Leica DSLRs R.I.P

????

Now I am really confused.

Obviously!

You wouldn't believe how confused I am.

Oh and Sony doesn't have true DSLRs anymore but use the SLTs.......fixed mirror with EVF.

and.........

so it must be.......?

Is Sigma still making DSLRs?

Who knows, who cares?

last was the SD1 Merrill in FEB 2012 ...nearly three years ago.

Uh......

Mirrorless cameras ARE the future

Ah, so it is none of them?

short term.....

Oh, so it is all of them?

long term we may well be using something completely different.

All of them!

Today, for MY purposes Mirrorless are far better than DSLRs (others will still prefer DSLRs). EVFs are simply much better for me than OVFs (and I have had lots of OVF cameras and still own many that are not used anymore).

So that means that the following "fairly recent mirrorless lens mounts will disappear in the next few years":

?

I love a man who backs up his bold assertions with confidence.

TEdolph

Trouble is you are not replying to the right person!

Hmmmmm....

you seem to have a good point.

Tedolph

 

[M43 Dude]

If you go mirrorless now you wont be able to upgrade to full frame later without buying a new system and new lenses, but the gap between mirrored and mirrorless is always getting smaller. It just depends really how far you see yourself advancing.

Basically almost nobody needs to upgrade to full frame.

Even the wedding photographers have either already switched or are in the process of switching to crop sensor cameras.

Full frame is going the way that medium frame went a generation ago.

Tedolph

I agree with you, but not everyone does and not everyone is happy seeing their wedding photographer walking around with a compact camera even if it does the same job as the full frame equivalent.

For all intents and purposes, when it comes to printing, they will not see the difference, however there is still the thing in the photography job that if you don't have something that looks like a big traditional SLR camera, you're not a professional.

Despite being a Micro Four Thirds user, and happily so, I'm almost inclined now to recommend users look at the Sony A6 series as an entry point into mirrorless, I think Sony have caught up a long way to Micro Four Thirds.

Fuji makes good mirrorless cameras also but they don't have as much of a lens selection.

Micro Four Thirds is still there, but the next sensor they use will be interesting to see if they can catch back up to Sony and Fuji in terms of image quality. They have the overall best range of lenses for mirrorless systems, however its very close with Sony now.

I still think the Olympus interface overall offers the widest range of options in its user interface for professional photographers though. The A6000 operates more like a camera phone, where as the OM-D even in the EM5 operates exactly like you would expect a full frame DSLR to operate.

The other bonus with Olympus is that all of their cameras operate the same no matter whether you buy an EPM2 or OM-D EM1 once you turn on the super control panel. You don't get that with other mirrrorless cameras.

The Fuji X series is also a lot more user friendly for camera operators than the A6.

 

[Glen Barrington]

Either will serve you well. I started out with a DSLR, and now have an OMD E-M10. I seem to shoot pretty much the same sort of things you are interested in and my E-M10 works just fine.

Mirrorless is a bit lighter and compact while the major DSLR brands offer a bit more flexibility in the number of fully automatic lens options. Particularly so in 3rd party lens support; though m43s is starting to capture the interest of the cine lens manufacturers and as a result, some good 3rd party lenses are starting to become available.

If you know what sort of lenses you need and your mirrorless brand of choice offers those lenses I would probably tell you to lean towards mirrorless. This is the situation I am in. But if you just don't know what you will need optically, I think a DSLR is probably a safer bet.

 

[fedway]

Ok, so I was set on a DSLR and now I'm not to sure. I already ordered a Nikon 5300, but I can return it. Hasn't even shipped yet. Therefore I'm not invested in anything and a complete noob. I wanted to use my camera as a hobby, but maybe later on sell some photos on etsy or something. I usually tend to take pictures with my iphone and now I want something that will be a bit more professional. I've actually been able to sell some iphone shots online so photography has got me interested in it as a way to make some money on the side. I tend to shoot nature, structures, and people who happen to be on the scene. No sports shooting or trying to capture kids/animals as of yet at least. I want what will be best going forward and what will help me advance and learn photography at its full scale. I've been reading mirrorless are practically on the same playing field and will soon edge out the DSLR, but don't believe everything you read right? So this is where I'd like a little help in which direction I should head.

Why not just take pictures with the D5300? I'm sure that that will keep you occupied until mirrorless cameras make it obsolete. At that time, you will be able to decide what to do next based on your own experience.

 

[M43 Dude]

You no longer keep he camera, but you do keep the lenses, so you'd better choose a system your happy with as once you've invested $500+ in lenses you're pretty much stuck with that system. In that senses...

• Any of the major DSLR manufacturers such as Pentax, Nikon and Canon are safe, not so much Sony.
• Micro Four Thirds is safe
• Sony E Mount is safe
• Fuji X mount is safe

and that's about the end of that. You buy into one of those systems and thats where you stay.

 

[PenPix]

Each has it's strength and weaknesses, so you have to choose what features are most important to you.

For my personal and more casual photography, I grab my mirrorless. Since it's lighter and smaller, it's easier on the back and more convenient to carry. It tends to be friendlier for people who have not used a DSLR before.

For work, I grab the DSLR… and the reason I grab my DSLR is because the AF is faster and more reliable in lower light conditions. (Every shot needs to count!) Because the SLR format has been around for decades, the infrastructure is very mature and complete… I can't say that about mirrorless. There are some accessories that only work with DSLRs.

However, I have recently began taking my mirrorless with me for some jobs. I suppose it is about me becoming more confident with the mirrorless rather than any flaw in the camera

IQ is no longer a concern when I buy high-end camera… they're all so good now.

I think it will be another 2 generations before mirrorless catch up to current DLSRs for AF speed and sensitivity, but DSLR's may also improve in this area. Predicting the future has never been my strong point.

The D5200 is a fine camera and you will not be disappointed with it. The tech is stable and popular, so it will be around for a very long time. Mirroless is new and the future is still uncertain. With the exception of Nikon and Canon, all the other manufacturers are hedging their bet on mirrorless. If one of these makers drop the price so they are affordable and available as DSLRs, we will see the mirrorless renascence happen. They seem committed enough that I have thrown my hat into the mirrorelss corner.

 

[M43 Dude]

I think it will be another 2 generations before mirrorless catch up to current DLSRs for AF speed and sensitivity, but DSLR's may also improve in this area. Predicting the future has never been my strong point.

The OM-D EM1 is pretty damn good, and close enough in terms of image quality, fast AF and once you enable all the menu options and super control panel it provides a pretty much SLR equivalent in terms of options to use for shooting. Its biggest drawback by comparison is its lack of ISO sensitivity as compared to larger sensor cameras.

I tend to compensate by reaching for a faster lens rather than bumping ISO and hence it's where primes come into their own with Micro Four Thirds. The lack of shallow depth of field also means you can make up for a lot of the light you would otherwise lose by using a wider aperture.

You can get away with shooting a scene with your aperture blades stopped down to F/1.7 in a lot of cases where you would end up with a whole bunch of bokeh at F/3.4 from the same point of view with a full frame camera.

ISO100 really isn't that bad, I'd say it'd be equivalent to about 800 on a full frame DSLR.

 

[Dogs body]

I'm paraphrasing from something I read recently, probably on petapixel.com. "The most important camera is the one in your hand." The idea is that it is not the equipment that you have, it's how you use it. The fact is that you are going to want the camera you ordered and the AND the mirrorless. For different reasons. Nevertheless, we are all on a budget. Take the camera you ordered and make the most of it. If you can do this then you are worthy of all the cameras you want!

 

[Teezam]

Ok, so I was set on a DSLR and now I'm not to sure. I already ordered a Nikon 5300, but I can return it. Hasn't even shipped yet. Therefore I'm not invested in anything and a complete noob. I wanted to use my camera as a hobby, but maybe later on sell some photos on etsy or something. I usually tend to take pictures with my iphone and now I want something that will be a bit more professional. I've actually been able to sell some iphone shots online so photography has got me interested in it as a way to make some money on the side. I tend to shoot nature, structures, and people who happen to be on the scene. No sports shooting or trying to capture kids/animals as of yet at least. I want what will be best going forward and what will help me advance and learn photography at its full scale. I've been reading mirrorless are practically on the same playing field and will soon edge out the DSLR, but don't believe everything you read right? So this is where I'd like a little help in which direction I should head.

Hi Jong,

What budget are you looking at ?

Before providing any suggestion would like to let you know that-

Photography and the passion for it can grow based on the tools which are available to you. Example- Driving a station wagon doesn't kindle any passion towards driving and preety much more or less everyone settles down to driving like an 80 yold woman. While a muscular or a sports car gives one the rush to try newer things, kindle the passion and help one grow.

This is the same with passion towards photography about creation. When you are equipped with better tools the interest / passion in general proportionality increases.

Bottom line being, if you believe you want to explore and that you would grow into photography. Then its wiser to invest in a system which has the most number of offerings and wide availability of options and support.

At the APSC range would suggest looking at the Canon 70D system, it is good as both a video and still photography.

The mirrorless systems do offer a size advantage. Sony E-Mount Mirrorless offers APSC sized sensor while Panasonic's systems are more Micro 3/4ths which are great for video but not photography.

The major downside with mirrorless APSC sized / FF is Sony'e E Mount systems for which lenses are preety damn expensive. Example a 50mm Sony E-mount lens costs roughly 3-4 times that of a 50mm Canon FF lens !! With a limited range of lens and expensive line up. When I had to choose, I decided to stick on to the DSLR platform.

On the positive front the APSC Sony cameras do offer features like NFC's, Wifi, menu systems which are like the phone etc.

So if you are going to stick with the Kit-lens package then IMO Mirrorless system of Sony is a good choice. Otherwise for an APSC workout would stick with the Canon (pref) or the Nikon range

Simply due to the vast availability of support you can get, the range of used or aftermarket lenses and other equipments.

Overall the weight difference is just about 250 gms, the benefits outweigh Mirrorless as of today in APSC & overall and will remain the same for atleast the next 5 years.

For those who say DSLR's are dead in the next 2 years, consider this 0ver 90% of people are invested in DSLR's. Its not the lens but the entire system which had taken years to build up. Do you believe they would be chucking away all that gear away and re-invest on a systems just cos its a bit smaller & for which there aren't even that many number of accessories to build on.

And for those who are to comment on usage of Adapters- The adapters slows down AF considerably, so if you want to do a quick shot or track movement on video mode- the system is not even remotely gonna be responsive.

 

[zuikokiuz]

Jong

Walk into a sony store and start playing with their a5100 and a6000.

Seee if you like the size and the feeling. And see if you will be comfortable to bring it out daily. Yes. It is very small and light.

I hope there is a sony store in your area.
--
Do not fear the photographer who shot with a thousand lens, but fear the one who shot with the one lens a thousand times -Bruce Lee

 

[FingerPainter]

Ok, so I was set on a DSLR and now I'm not to sure. I already ordered a Nikon 5300, but I can return it. Hasn't even shipped yet. Therefore I'm not invested in anything and a complete noob. I wanted to use my camera as a hobby, but maybe later on sell some photos on etsy or something. I usually tend to take pictures with my iphone and now I want something that will be a bit more professional. I've actually been able to sell some iphone shots online so photography has got me interested in it as a way to make some money on the side. I tend to shoot nature, structures, and people who happen to be on the scene. No sports shooting or trying to capture kids/animals as of yet at least. I want what will be best going forward and what will help me advance and learn photography at its full scale. I've been reading mirrorless are practically on the same playing field and will soon edge out the DSLR, but don't believe everything you read right? So this is where I'd like a little help in which direction I should head.

OP, relax. You've ordered the best entry-level DSLR on the market. The only mirrorless cameras available today that will take better pictures or be better-featured for still photograhy will be considerably more expensive. Most of the advantages that mirrorless cameras have relative to DSLRs have little to do with the pictures you will be able to take.

By "mirrorless" I presume you are referring to Mirrorless Interchangeable Lens Cameras (MILCs)

MILCs will not "soon edge out the DSLR", unless by "soon" you mean in over a decade. Eventually they will get there, but not in the lifetime of whatever camera you buy now. Don't change your mind over worries that you are buying into a dead-end system or that you are missing the current trend. DSLRs still substantially outsell MLCS and will continue to do so for several more years. And don't change your mind believing that a MILC wlll enable you to take better pictures. It won't.

Potentially valid reasons for returning your D5300 and buying a MILC might include:

• You need video capability more than still photo capability.
• You don't need the best image quality, but you really need to limit weight or bulk carried.
• You are certain you will never start photographing sports, children or animals.

 

[tedolf]

If you go mirrorless now you wont be able to upgrade to full frame later without buying a new system and new lenses, but the gap between mirrored and mirrorless is always getting smaller. It just depends really how far you see yourself advancing.

Basically almost nobody needs to upgrade to full frame.

Even the wedding photographers have either already switched or are in the process of switching to crop sensor cameras.

Full frame is going the way that medium frame went a generation ago.

Tedolph

I agree with you, but not everyone does and not everyone is happy seeing their wedding photographer walking around with a compact camera even if it does the same job as the full frame equivalent.

For all intents and purposes, when it comes to printing, they will not see the difference, however there is still the thing in the photography job that if you don't have something that looks like a big traditional SLR camera, you're not a professional.

Customers don't know the difference between a Nikon FX or DX camera. Although most of the wedding photographers I know have switched to Canon crop sensor DSLRs. I figure it is only a matter of time until the public catches on.

Despite being a Micro Four Thirds user, and happily so, I'm almost inclined now to recommend users look at the Sony A6 series as an entry point into mirrorless, I think Sony have caught up a long way to Micro Four Thirds.

Fuji makes good mirrorless cameras also but they don't have as much of a lens selection.

Micro Four Thirds is still there, but the next sensor they use will be interesting to see if they can catch back up to Sony and Fuji in terms of image quality. They have the overall best range of lenses for mirrorless systems, however its very close with Sony now.

The current m4/3 sensor is good enough, as is the current Canon 1.6x crop sensor.

I still think the Olympus interface overall offers the widest range of options in its user interface for professional photographers though. The A6000 operates more like a camera phone, where as the OM-D even in the EM5 operates exactly like you would expect a full frame DSLR to operate.

Sony still has a problem with its e-mount lens line up. Highly variable quality and cost. M4/3 is more consistent quality across all focal lengths.

The other bonus with Olympus is that all of their cameras operate the same no matter whether you buy an EPM2 or OM-D EM1 once you turn on the super control panel. You don't get that with other mirrrorless cameras.

The big bonus of Olympus is IBIS.

The Fuji X series is also a lot more user friendly for camera operators than the A6.

I lilke Fuji, I just can't afford the lenses!

Also, no IBIS.

Tedolph

 

[tedolf]

Either will serve you well. I started out with a DSLR, and now have an OMD E-M10. I seem to shoot pretty much the same sort of things you are interested in and my E-M10 works just fine.

Mirrorless is a bit lighter and compact while the major DSLR brands offer a bit more flexibility in the number of fully automatic lens options. Particularly so in 3rd party lens support; though m43s is starting to capture the interest of the cine lens manufacturers and as a result, some good 3rd party lenses are starting to become available.

A mirrorless camera with WYSIWYG live view is a much easier transition from a cell phone than an optical view DSLR.

Your transition from DSLR to mirroless was a very different proposition.

The learning curve on mirrorless is much easier than an optical view camera.

If you know what sort of lenses you need and your mirrorless brand of choice offers those lenses I would probably tell you to lean towards mirrorless. This is the situation I am in. But if you just don't know what you will need optically, I think a DSLR is probably a safer bet.

I can't agree with this. There are over 60 native m4/3 lenses, a few dozen 4/3 lenses, and an entire universe of adaptable legacy lenses that work very well on mirrorless cameras.

--
I look good fat, I'm gonna look good old. . .
http://glenbarrington.blogspot.com/

TEdolph

 

[tedolf]

Ok, so I was set on a DSLR and now I'm not to sure. I already ordered a Nikon 5300, but I can return it. Hasn't even shipped yet. Therefore I'm not invested in anything and a complete noob. I wanted to use my camera as a hobby, but maybe later on sell some photos on etsy or something. I usually tend to take pictures with my iphone and now I want something that will be a bit more professional. I've actually been able to sell some iphone shots online so photography has got me interested in it as a way to make some money on the side. I tend to shoot nature, structures, and people who happen to be on the scene. No sports shooting or trying to capture kids/animals as of yet at least. I want what will be best going forward and what will help me advance and learn photography at its full scale. I've been reading mirrorless are practically on the same playing field and will soon edge out the DSLR, but don't believe everything you read right? So this is where I'd like a little help in which direction I should head.

Hi Jong,

What budget are you looking at ?

Before providing any suggestion would like to let you know that-

Photography and the passion for it can grow based on the tools which are available to you. Example- Driving a station wagon doesn't kindle any passion towards driving and preety much more or less everyone settles down to driving like an 80 yold woman. While a muscular or a sports car gives one the rush to try newer things, kindle the passion and help one grow.

This is the same with passion towards photography about creation. When you are equipped with better tools the interest / passion in general proportionality increases.

Bottom line being, if you believe you want to explore and that you would grow into photography. Then its wiser to invest in a system which has the most number of offerings and wide availability of options and support.

At the APSC range would suggest looking at the Canon 70D system, it is good as both a video and still photography.

The mirrorless systems do offer a size advantage. Sony E-Mount Mirrorless offers APSC sized sensor while Panasonic's systems are more Micro 3/4ths which are great for video but not photography.

The major downside with mirrorless APSC sized / FF is Sony'e E Mount systems for which lenses are preety damn expensive. Example a 50mm Sony E-mount lens costs roughly 3-4 times that of a 50mm Canon FF lens !! With a limited range of lens and expensive line up. When I had to choose, I decided to stick on to the DSLR platform.

On the positive front the APSC Sony cameras do offer features like NFC's, Wifi, menu systems which are like the phone etc.

So if you are going to stick with the Kit-lens package then IMO Mirrorless system of Sony is a good choice. Otherwise for an APSC workout would stick with the Canon (pref) or the Nikon range

Simply due to the vast availability of support you can get, the range of used or aftermarket lenses and other equipments.

Overall the weight difference is just about 250 gms, the benefits outweigh Mirrorless as of today in APSC & overall and will remain the same for atleast the next 5 years.

For those who say DSLR's are dead in the next 2 years, consider this 0ver 90% of people are invested in DSLR's. Its not the lens but the entire system which had taken years to build up. Do you believe they would be chucking away all that gear away and re-invest on a systems just cos its a bit smaller & for which there aren't even that many number of accessories to build on.

You would be surprised.

Many have.

Check out some of the mirrorless forums.

And for those who are to comment on usage of Adapters- The adapters slows down AF considerably,

No it doesn't.

The EM-1 focuses 4/3 lenses faster than some of the 4/3 cameras did.

so if you want to do a quick shot or track movement on video mode- the system is not even remotely gonna be responsive.

How would you know?

You have never even owned a DSLR or a mirrorless ICL camera!

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/54970087

Tedolph

 

[tedolf]

Jong

Walk into a sony store and start playing with their a5100 and a6000.

Do not get a camera without a hot shoe.

You will regret if forever.

Seee if you like the size and the feeling. And see if you will be comfortable to bring it out daily. Yes. It is very small and light.

I hope there is a sony store in your area.
--
Do not fear the photographer who shot with a thousand lens, but fear the one who shot with the one lens a thousand times -Bruce Lee

TEdolph

 

[dlnevins]

For those who say DSLR's are dead in the next 2 years, consider this 0ver 90% of people are invested in DSLR's. Its not the lens but the entire system which had taken years to build up. Do you believe they would be chucking away all that gear away and re-invest on a systems just cos its a bit smaller & for which there aren't even that many number of accessories to build on.

You would be surprised.

Many have.

Check out some of the mirrorless forums.

Very true. I don't understand why so many people think it's so very, very difficult to switch systems. Just because you start out using one system doesn't mean you have to be wedded to it forever. If in time you find another system better fits your needs, all you have to do is sell your old gear and then buy into the new system. it's not difficult.

The last thing newbies need to think is that buying a camera is like a wedding. Reciting "'till death do us part" is not a part of the camera buying experience.

And for those who are to comment on usage of Adapters- The adapters slows down AF considerably,

No it doesn't.

The EM-1 focuses 4/3 lenses faster than some of the 4/3 cameras did.

This is very true. The main disadvantage of using 4/3s lenses on Oly m4/3s cameras is just that the lenses are larger and heavier than their m4/3s equivalents.

so if you want to do a quick shot or track movement on video mode- the system is not even remotely gonna be responsive.

The least time I checked, the best camera (as opposed to professional camcorder) for shooting video was the Panasonic GH4, a mirrorless m4/3s camera. No DSLR even comes close to the performance of that Panasonic camera when it comes to shooting video.

 

[dlnevins]

Jong

Walk into a sony store and start playing with their a5100 and a6000.

Do not get a camera without a hot shoe.

You will regret if forever.

Nah - you'll just regret it until you buy a camera which DOES have a hot shoe. ;-)

 

[neil holmes]

Ok, so I was set on a DSLR and now I'm not to sure. I already ordered a Nikon 5300, but I can return it. Hasn't even shipped yet. Therefore I'm not invested in anything and a complete noob. I wanted to use my camera as a hobby, but maybe later on sell some photos on etsy or something. I usually tend to take pictures with my iphone and now I want something that will be a bit more professional. I've actually been able to sell some iphone shots online so photography has got me interested in it as a way to make some money on the side. I tend to shoot nature, structures, and people who happen to be on the scene. No sports shooting or trying to capture kids/animals as of yet at least. I want what will be best going forward and what will help me advance and learn photography at its full scale. I've been reading mirrorless are practically on the same playing field and will soon edge out the DSLR, but don't believe everything you read right? So this is where I'd like a little help in which direction I should head.

Hi Jong,

What budget are you looking at ?

Before providing any suggestion would like to let you know that-

Photography and the passion for it can grow based on the tools which are available to you. Example- Driving a station wagon doesn't kindle any passion towards driving and preety much more or less everyone settles down to driving like an 80 yold woman. While a muscular or a sports car gives one the rush to try newer things, kindle the passion and help one grow.

This is the same with passion towards photography about creation. When you are equipped with better tools the interest / passion in general proportionality increases.

Bottom line being, if you believe you want to explore and that you would grow into photography. Then its wiser to invest in a system which has the most number of offerings and wide availability of options and support.

At the APSC range would suggest looking at the Canon 70D system, it is good as both a video and still photography.

The mirrorless systems do offer a size advantage. Sony E-Mount Mirrorless offers APSC sized sensor while Panasonic's systems are more Micro 3/4ths which are great for video but not photography.

The major downside with mirrorless APSC sized / FF is Sony'e E Mount systems for which lenses are preety damn expensive. Example a 50mm Sony E-mount lens costs roughly 3-4 times that of a 50mm Canon FF lens !! With a limited range of lens and expensive line up. When I had to choose, I decided to stick on to the DSLR platform.

On the positive front the APSC Sony cameras do offer features like NFC's, Wifi, menu systems which are like the phone etc.

So if you are going to stick with the Kit-lens package then IMO Mirrorless system of Sony is a good choice. Otherwise for an APSC workout would stick with the Canon (pref) or the Nikon range

Simply due to the vast availability of support you can get, the range of used or aftermarket lenses and other equipments.

Overall the weight difference is just about 250 gms, the benefits outweigh Mirrorless as of today in APSC & overall and will remain the same for atleast the next 5 years.

For those who say DSLR's are dead in the next 2 years, consider this 0ver 90% of people are invested in DSLR's. Its not the lens but the entire system which had taken years to build up. Do you believe they would be chucking away all that gear away and re-invest on a systems just cos its a bit smaller & for which there aren't even that many number of accessories to build on.

You would be surprised.

Many have.

Check out some of the mirrorless forums.

And for those who are to comment on usage of Adapters- The adapters slows down AF considerably,

No it doesn't.

The EM-1 focuses 4/3 lenses faster than some of the 4/3 cameras did.

so if you want to do a quick shot or track movement on video mode- the system is not even remotely gonna be responsive.

How would you know?

You have never even owned a DSLR or a mirrorless ICL camera!

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/54970087

Tedolph

Not owning gear never stops you!

No more uninformed (and wrong) comments on Sony lenses from you then huh?

Thought not.

 

[tedolf]

Ok, so I was set on a DSLR and now I'm not to sure. I already ordered a Nikon 5300, but I can return it. Hasn't even shipped yet. Therefore I'm not invested in anything and a complete noob. I wanted to use my camera as a hobby, but maybe later on sell some photos on etsy or something. I usually tend to take pictures with my iphone and now I want something that will be a bit more professional. I've actually been able to sell some iphone shots online so photography has got me interested in it as a way to make some money on the side. I tend to shoot nature, structures, and people who happen to be on the scene. No sports shooting or trying to capture kids/animals as of yet at least. I want what will be best going forward and what will help me advance and learn photography at its full scale. I've been reading mirrorless are practically on the same playing field and will soon edge out the DSLR, but don't believe everything you read right? So this is where I'd like a little help in which direction I should head.

Hi Jong,

What budget are you looking at ?

Before providing any suggestion would like to let you know that-

Photography and the passion for it can grow based on the tools which are available to you. Example- Driving a station wagon doesn't kindle any passion towards driving and preety much more or less everyone settles down to driving like an 80 yold woman. While a muscular or a sports car gives one the rush to try newer things, kindle the passion and help one grow.

This is the same with passion towards photography about creation. When you are equipped with better tools the interest / passion in general proportionality increases.

Bottom line being, if you believe you want to explore and that you would grow into photography. Then its wiser to invest in a system which has the most number of offerings and wide availability of options and support.

At the APSC range would suggest looking at the Canon 70D system, it is good as both a video and still photography.

The mirrorless systems do offer a size advantage. Sony E-Mount Mirrorless offers APSC sized sensor while Panasonic's systems are more Micro 3/4ths which are great for video but not photography.

The major downside with mirrorless APSC sized / FF is Sony'e E Mount systems for which lenses are preety damn expensive. Example a 50mm Sony E-mount lens costs roughly 3-4 times that of a 50mm Canon FF lens !! With a limited range of lens and expensive line up. When I had to choose, I decided to stick on to the DSLR platform.

On the positive front the APSC Sony cameras do offer features like NFC's, Wifi, menu systems which are like the phone etc.

So if you are going to stick with the Kit-lens package then IMO Mirrorless system of Sony is a good choice. Otherwise for an APSC workout would stick with the Canon (pref) or the Nikon range

Simply due to the vast availability of support you can get, the range of used or aftermarket lenses and other equipments.

Overall the weight difference is just about 250 gms, the benefits outweigh Mirrorless as of today in APSC & overall and will remain the same for atleast the next 5 years.

For those who say DSLR's are dead in the next 2 years, consider this 0ver 90% of people are invested in DSLR's. Its not the lens but the entire system which had taken years to build up. Do you believe they would be chucking away all that gear away and re-invest on a systems just cos its a bit smaller & for which there aren't even that many number of accessories to build on.

You would be surprised.

Many have.

Check out some of the mirrorless forums.

And for those who are to comment on usage of Adapters- The adapters slows down AF considerably,

No it doesn't.

The EM-1 focuses 4/3 lenses faster than some of the 4/3 cameras did.

so if you want to do a quick shot or track movement on video mode- the system is not even remotely gonna be responsive.

How would you know?

You have never even owned a DSLR or a mirrorless ICL camera!

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/54970087

Tedolph

Not owning gear never stops you!

Yes, this is true.

But it is also true that no one can be compared to Tedolph.

No more uninformed (and wrong) comments on Sony lenses from you then huh?

You mean Sony kit lenses?

Are those the Sony lenses you are talking about?

Thought not.

Hey, I never commented on Sony Kit Lenses.

I simply re-posted what SLRGear.com said about them.

Take it up with them.

Tedolph

P.S. I like your use of clever titles in the subject matter heading. At least you put some effort into them which is more than I can say for some people around here.