Dreamweaver vs frontpage

[baruth]

Thsnks for all the advises. Now I am totally information-loaded confused. I guess I will just have to dive in and I will.

You've heard a lot of opinions here, I'll try and stay
non-partisan: They're both programs for helping you create HTML
without doing the coding.

The advantage of Dreamweaver is that it's not tied to creating code
for a specific platform...Macromedia has no preference toward IE
over Netscape or vice versa. The code it creates tends to be
robust on both platforms.

The advantage of Frontpage is that, while it creates code that is
strictly IE-aware (of course), sometimes it may be able to take
advantages of features that only exist in IE (fixed backgrounds,
integration with VB Script or whatever).

If I were starting out and I didn't code by hand, I would myself
choose Dreamweaver for cross-platform compatible pages and give up
the features that FrontPage allows me access to.

No pressure, though! Cheers, d

Darren
Locally I can learn either Dreamweaver or Frontpage. I just wonder
what is the difference-in a nutshell- between the two. I have no
idea what HTLM is, all I do want is "to drive the car and run some
diagnostic tests but not to know how the combustion engine or
catalitic converter works"
--
baruth

--
baruth

 

[Bob Brammer99228]

It's just matter of doing the most with limited time.

Learning is great, but it won't always put food on the table, or a new lens in your bag.

'Easy' and 'Good' may actually be at the SAME end of the scale if you give a client what they want.

If you can do it 'Easy' and have it still look 'Good' then ain't that a way to go?

If a site look good and works, it doesn't make what tool helped create it.

(Yeah, junk is junk and I'm not advocating that.)

Why not take the time and learn? I don't understand the problem
with that concept.

Cheers
D

It doesn't take much of a nut in the shell to learn Frontpage.
It does take a full nut in the shell to understand Dreamweaver.

Frontpage provides pre-designed templates(websites) to build your
website. NO html background is required, just simples rules to
follow to get your website up and running the way you want it.
Very easy to pick up.

Dreamweaver offers No templates for you to build on. You have to
build from the ground up. Much more difficult to learn, but more
versitile and creative if this is a long term commitment you are
willing to pursue. More difficult to pick up in the short term.

hope this helps...just my thoughts on the nutshell

-scott

Darren
Locally I can learn either Dreamweaver or Frontpage. I just wonder
what is the difference-in a nutshell- between the two. I have no
idea what HTLM is, all I do want is "to drive the car and run some
diagnostic tests but not to know how the combustion engine or
catalitic converter works"
--
baruth

--

Technology, it's just like Nebraska weather, 'If you don't like it, wait an hour, it'll change.'

 

[Bob Brammer99228]

Send me an e-mail and I'll phone you back to assist on the confusion. I've taught the mention software since 96-97 and might have some insight.

The key question to all this has yet to be addressed, i.e., what your goals for the software are.

While the thread is valid the answers can't laser in on fairly until your end-product is clearly defined.

. . . right tool for the job kind of thing.

BB

You've heard a lot of opinions here, I'll try and stay
non-partisan: They're both programs for helping you create HTML
without doing the coding.

The advantage of Dreamweaver is that it's not tied to creating code
for a specific platform...Macromedia has no preference toward IE
over Netscape or vice versa. The code it creates tends to be
robust on both platforms.

The advantage of Frontpage is that, while it creates code that is
strictly IE-aware (of course), sometimes it may be able to take
advantages of features that only exist in IE (fixed backgrounds,
integration with VB Script or whatever).

If I were starting out and I didn't code by hand, I would myself
choose Dreamweaver for cross-platform compatible pages and give up
the features that FrontPage allows me access to.

No pressure, though! Cheers, d

Darren
Locally I can learn either Dreamweaver or Frontpage. I just wonder
what is the difference-in a nutshell- between the two. I have no
idea what HTLM is, all I do want is "to drive the car and run some
diagnostic tests but not to know how the combustion engine or
catalitic converter works"
--
baruth

--
baruth

--

Technology, it's just like Nebraska weather, 'If you don't like it, wait an hour, it'll change.'

 

[Laurence Matson]

I'm going to throw another spanner into the works.

I have a strong feeling that there are two camps out there, as there has been for a long time (1973: TI vs. HP; 1983: Word vs. Wordperfect; reverse Polish notation vs. linear entry; left brain vs. right brain).

Frontpage drove me nuts. It required linear thinking; something at which I am not good. Dreamweaver spoke to me in a second; it appealed to my other brain way of thinking.

You can do an awful lot with Frontpage. It comes with a full package of templates; there are tons out there for free or modest cost. The community of users is massive. And the results are always slow and clunky.

Dreamweaver is another world. Full of magic, mystery, and creativity. You can make things move and flow. The most integrated package in the industry (don't like the picture; right click: Fireworks; fiddle; click done; its there and saved in two formats). The community of developers is massive and highly dedicated. They are all pushing the limits. It is a rip-roaring ride.

If all you want to do is get a webpage out there and do not ever want to push your limits, use Frontpage. If you want to get a webpage out there (amazingly simple with Dreamweaver MX; can be done in half an hour with a good book (e.g. The Missing Manual)) and then go further and furthest, use Dreamweaver. But first, figure out whether you are right brained or left brained. It may help.

Laurence Matson

 

[Jon Stewart]

I was going to post but now there's no point!

Personally, I would say forget Frontpage..unless you're uncreative, slow with a computer or just too lazy... but then I'm picky about the way I want things to look on screen.

...anybody for Barbeque?

Jon

I'm going to throw another spanner into the works.

I have a strong feeling that there are two camps out there, as
there has been for a long time (1973: TI vs. HP; 1983: Word vs.
Wordperfect; reverse Polish notation vs. linear entry; left brain
vs. right brain).

Frontpage drove me nuts. It required linear thinking; something at
which I am not good. Dreamweaver spoke to me in a second; it
appealed to my other brain way of thinking.

You can do an awful lot with Frontpage. It comes with a full
package of templates; there are tons out there for free or modest
cost. The community of users is massive. And the results are always
slow and clunky.

Dreamweaver is another world. Full of magic, mystery, and
creativity. You can make things move and flow. The most integrated
package in the industry (don't like the picture; right click:
Fireworks; fiddle; click done; its there and saved in two formats).
The community of developers is massive and highly dedicated. They
are all pushing the limits. It is a rip-roaring ride.

If all you want to do is get a webpage out there and do not ever
want to push your limits, use Frontpage. If you want to get a
webpage out there (amazingly simple with Dreamweaver MX; can be
done in half an hour with a good book (e.g. The Missing Manual))
and then go further and furthest, use Dreamweaver. But first,
figure out whether you are right brained or left brained. It may
help.

Laurence Matson

--
Jon Stewart
[email protected]

 

[gearedsoft]

One thing I hate of Frontpage, that it has a mind of it's own. When I want to do something specific, Frontpage will sometimes inhibit it.

When I look to some of my friends (they don't want to know about the engine like you), they can more easely start with dreamweaver than with frontpage.

--
Nico

Some pictures at http://www.pbase.com/gearedsoft

 

[Darrel60784]

I've used both almost everyday since they came out. Each has their advantages and disadvantages. For the average person, I think FP can't be beat. For my daily tasks, I find myself using FP the most. It's easy and fast. DW is probably more of a "pro" package but all the features in FP really make it a nice daily driver.

Darren
Locally I can learn either Dreamweaver or Frontpage. I just wonder
what is the difference-in a nutshell- between the two. I have no
idea what HTLM is, all I do want is "to drive the car and run some
diagnostic tests but not to know how the combustion engine or
catalitic converter works"
--
baruth

 

[Kharim Hogan]

I use Dreamweaver as it generates more standard complient HTML than
Frontpage.

How does Go Live behave?

Very similarly. It's pretty much 6 of one and half a dozen of the other between Dreamweaver and GoLive IMO. You can write your own code and GoLive won't "rewrite" it for you in its own way, so it's nice that way.

Kharim

 

[baruth]

Here is what I just did.I bought a teaching soft ware: Professor teaches" that is supposed to teach FP, DW PS6 HTML fundamentals and advanced. Well, for $29.00 I really don't expect it to teach me all that, but I am sure I will have a chance to hand-on evaluate these soft wares myself before empty my pocket(DW $300.00 and FP about $200.00).

Darren
Locally I can learn either Dreamweaver or Frontpage. I just wonder
what is the difference-in a nutshell- between the two. I have no
idea what HTLM is, all I do want is "to drive the car and run some
diagnostic tests but not to know how the combustion engine or
catalitic converter works"
--
baruth

--
baruth

 

[Bob Brammer99228]

The folks at lynda.com put out some good DW training and some very straight-forward books.

BB

Darren
Locally I can learn either Dreamweaver or Frontpage. I just wonder
what is the difference-in a nutshell- between the two. I have no
idea what HTLM is, all I do want is "to drive the car and run some
diagnostic tests but not to know how the combustion engine or
catalitic converter works"
--
baruth

--
baruth

--

Technology, it's just like Nebraska weather, 'If you don't like it, wait an hour, it'll change.'

 

[Mike Iantosca]

I suggest you go first class and learn XML, create your own DTD or schema, write a few XSLT scripts, apply a transformation engine like Saxon, add some CSS and XSLFO - maybe even implement a three-tier solution!

...Then again, most of us don't want to manufacture a camera, we just want to use one. I do all of the above for a living and still use FrontPage when all I need is a personal web site.

Use Frontpage. Think of it as a good point-and-shoot because that is all that you need based on what you described.

Regards,
Mike

Darren
Locally I can learn either Dreamweaver or Frontpage. I just wonder
what is the difference-in a nutshell- between the two. I have no
idea what HTLM is, all I do want is "to drive the car and run some
diagnostic tests but not to know how the combustion engine or
catalitic converter works"
--
baruth

 

[Janek Czekaj]

Hi,

Far cheaper than any professional courses, and arguably better, is to go to Amazon.com, read the reviews on Dreamweaver, Frontpage books, find the ones highly rated and buy 2 or 3...

You usually find one is not enough to learn from as most miss bits nad pieces and some explain some things better than others...

Saves you alot of money... the books are always on hand.

Dreamweaver would be my choice over Frontpage and I speak as a consultant who earns a living implementing Microsoft products.

Janek.

 

[Philly Wood]

Damn until your last paragraph, you had me convinced that I could be the author of my own web creation software.

I suggest you go first class and learn XML, create your own DTD or
schema, write a few XSLT scripts, apply a transformation engine
like Saxon, add some CSS and XSLFO - maybe even implement a
three-tier solution!

...Then again, most of us don't want to manufacture a camera, we
just want to use one. I do all of the above for a living and still
use FrontPage when all I need is a personal web site.

Use Frontpage. Think of it as a good point-and-shoot because that
is all that you need based on what you described.

--
-photoave
http://phillywood.com Images of the 156 mile First Union US Pro Bike Race

 

[Robert Scultz]

what about netobjects ? old dog new tricks ?
with netobjects I don't write any html code at all,
but have been wondering, about dreamweaver, or is it more mainstream?
currently useing version 4, but wondering about other people useing it too,
MX or 5.0 ? and what the future direction is ?
macromedia cerainly has a strong hold, with flash , and fireworks,...
but again , for an old dog, it's hard to learn new tricks,....
anybody switched from netobjects to dreamweaver ?
thanks, cheers, Robert Schultz
--
http://www.RobsPhoto.com

 

[Bob Brammer99228]

I really appreciate Mike's irreverent/funny reply. For a lot of folks, FP would be fine . . . or better yet, hire me and my Flash/graphics partner. We work cheap for smaller clients.

...Then again, most of us don't want to manufacture a camera, we
just want to use one. I do all of the above for a living and still
use FrontPage when all I need is a personal web site.

Use Frontpage. Think of it as a good point-and-shoot because that
is all that you need based on what you described.

Regards,
Mike

Darren
Locally I can learn either Dreamweaver or Frontpage. I just wonder
what is the difference-in a nutshell- between the two. I have no
idea what HTLM is, all I do want is "to drive the car and run some
diagnostic tests but not to know how the combustion engine or
catalitic converter works"
--
baruth

--

Technology, it's just like Nebraska weather, 'If you don't like it, wait an hour, it'll change.'

 

[Ron Reznick]

Robert, I've been using NetObjects since version 4 (4, 5 & MX). For someone who is used to doing work in InDesign or Pagemaker, the tools are very intuitive and the program does a good job. Personally, I'd watch to see where they are going with it if you are just starting out (a new version should be out soon), but the software design is good and so are the results.
--
Ron Reznick
http://digital-images.net
http://trapagon.com

what about netobjects ? old dog new tricks ?
with netobjects I don't write any html code at all,
but have been wondering, about dreamweaver, or is it more mainstream?
currently useing version 4, but wondering about other people
useing it too,
MX or 5.0 ? and what the future direction is ?
macromedia cerainly has a strong hold, with flash , and fireworks,...
but again , for an old dog, it's hard to learn new tricks,....
anybody switched from netobjects to dreamweaver ?
thanks, cheers, Robert Schultz
--
http://www.RobsPhoto.com

 

[RDKirk]

The advantage of Frontpage is that, while it creates code that is
strictly IE-aware (of course), sometimes it may be able to take
advantages of features that only exist in IE (fixed backgrounds,
integration with VB Script or whatever).

FrontPage 2000 and XP allow the user to turn off IE "awareness" and specify NetScape compatibility.

--
RDKirk
'It's always socially unacceptable to be right too soon.' -Fuji FP6900Z Owner

 

[Jimmy Chen]

anybody switched from netobjects to dreamweaver ?

I did. I do not know how it is now, but when I used to use Fusion, it was storing everything in their own db files. This made it very hard for you to do anything outside of Fusion. This limitation, plus the db file crashing on you couple of times is enough to make anyone junk the product and select something else. Ever tried to duplicate a site when you cannot use any of their features other then Windows copy and paste? That was what I had to do, twice.

Dreamweaver being totally open, plain html text, plus JavaScript extensions made life much easiers when it comes to complex site maint.

--
jc
F707 w/ Nikon 5T/6T
http://www.reefkeepers.org/gallery/f707
http://www.reeftec.com/gallery

 

[FunD2h]

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